For the past few years we have tried to be creative with our Thanksgiving
dinner. New dishes and new preparations have been intriguing and
delicious. For the past several weeks, however, I've been waxing
nostalgic over childhood holiday meals and decided to recreate a 1950's
Thanksgiving dinner as my late mother would have prepared. Despite the
cliché, by all accounts it was well-received and enjoyed by all. Our
dinner was...

Roast Turkey, sutffed with aromatic vegetables and herbs

Gravy, made from pan drippings and previously made stock

Cornbread Dressing, with onions, celery, toasted pecans, and dried
cranberries, and the usual dried herbs

Candied Yams, chunked and pot glazed with butter, sugar, orange juice,
and spices

Mashed Potatoes, simply done with butter, cream, salt, and pepper

Original Campbell's Green Bean Casserole (need I say more?)

Creamed Peas (requested by one guest)

Buttered Corn, from fresh-cut corn I froze in the summer

Canned Cranberry Sauce, 1 can each of jellied and whole berry

Relish Tray, stuffed celery, olives, pickles, radishes

Pumpkin Pie, well spiced and made with fresh pumpkin

Luckily, everything turned out well with no mishaps and no timing
problem.

What a nice day!

Wayne

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:22:32 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
wrote:

For the past few years we have tried to be creative with our Thanksgiving
dinner. New dishes and new preparations have been intriguing and
delicious. For the past several weeks, however, I've been waxing
nostalgic over childhood holiday meals and decided to recreate a 1950's
Thanksgiving dinner as my late mother would have prepared. Despite the
cliché, by all accounts it was well-received and enjoyed by all. Our
dinner was...

Roast Turkey, sutffed with aromatic vegetables and herbs

Gravy, made from pan drippings and previously made stock

Cornbread Dressing, with onions, celery, toasted pecans, and dried
cranberries, and the usual dried herbs

Candied Yams, chunked and pot glazed with butter, sugar, orange juice,
and spices

Mashed Potatoes, simply done with butter, cream, salt, and pepper

Original Campbell's Green Bean Casserole (need I say more?)

Creamed Peas (requested by one guest)

Buttered Corn, from fresh-cut corn I froze in the summer

Canned Cranberry Sauce, 1 can each of jellied and whole berry

Relish Tray, stuffed celery, olives, pickles, radishes

Pumpkin Pie, well spiced and made with fresh pumpkin

Luckily, everything turned out well with no mishaps and no timing
problem.

What a nice day!

Wayne

Yuk!
Tigsnona

If you can keep your head when those around you
are losing theirs, you probably haven't understood
the situation.

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:22:32 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
wrote:

*snip!
For the past several weeks, however, I've been waxing
nostalgic over childhood holiday meals and decided to recreate a 1950's
Thanksgiving dinner as my late mother would have prepared.
*snip!

Luckily, everything turned out well with no mishaps and no timing
problem.

What a nice day!

Wayne


Our dinner was similar. I used fresh cranberries for some great
sauce, but I used canned pumpkin for my pies.
I have a foster home and on holidays we model for the teens what a
family holiday can be. I only have one teen who was with us last year.
For the others, this is their first Thanksgiving in our home. We
always invite all their families to join us. One year I had 21 people
for Thanksgiving. This year 2 teens went to their families for the
holiday. The other 3 are here with us. None of their families or
relatives joined us for dinner, but they were warmly invited. Maybe
Christmas.

Tigsnona wrote in
:

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:22:32 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
wrote:

For the past few years we have tried to be creative with our
Thanksgiving dinner. New dishes and new preparations have been
intriguing and delicious. For the past several weeks, however, I've
been waxing nostalgic over childhood holiday meals and decided to
recreate a 1950's Thanksgiving dinner as my late mother would have
prepared. Despite the cliché, by all accounts it was well-received
and enjoyed by all. Our dinner was...

Roast Turkey, sutffed with aromatic vegetables and herbs

Gravy, made from pan drippings and previously made stock

Cornbread Dressing, with onions, celery, toasted pecans, and dried
cranberries, and the usual dried herbs

Candied Yams, chunked and pot glazed with butter, sugar, orange juice,
and spices

Mashed Potatoes, simply done with butter, cream, salt, and pepper

Original Campbell's Green Bean Casserole (need I say more?)

Creamed Peas (requested by one guest)

Buttered Corn, from fresh-cut corn I froze in the summer

Canned Cranberry Sauce, 1 can each of jellied and whole berry

Relish Tray, stuffed celery, olives, pickles, radishes

Pumpkin Pie, well spiced and made with fresh pumpkin

Luckily, everything turned out well with no mishaps and no timing
problem.

What a nice day!

Wayne

Yuk!
Tigsnona

Luckily for us, you weren't invited!

Wayne

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

For the past few years we have tried to be creative with our Thanksgiving
dinner. New dishes and new preparations have been intriguing and
delicious. For the past several weeks, however, I've been waxing
nostalgic over childhood holiday meals and decided to recreate a 1950's
Thanksgiving dinner as my late mother would have prepared. Despite the
cliché, by all accounts it was well-received and enjoyed by all. Our
dinner was...

Roast Turkey, sutffed with aromatic vegetables and herbs

Gravy, made from pan drippings and previously made stock

Cornbread Dressing, with onions, celery, toasted pecans, and dried
cranberries, and the usual dried herbs

Candied Yams, chunked and pot glazed with butter, sugar, orange juice,
and spices

Mashed Potatoes, simply done with butter, cream, salt, and pepper

Original Campbell's Green Bean Casserole (need I say more?)

Creamed Peas (requested by one guest)

Buttered Corn, from fresh-cut corn I froze in the summer

Canned Cranberry Sauce, 1 can each of jellied and whole berry

Relish Tray, stuffed celery, olives, pickles, radishes

Pumpkin Pie, well spiced and made with fresh pumpkin

Luckily, everything turned out well with no mishaps and no timing
problem.

What a nice day!

Wayne


That's pretty much what we had at the house to which we were invited!
However, they wouldn't regard it as a 50s dinner at all; it's what they
have every year.

However, the turkey was a free-range organic turkey and was utterly
delicious! First time in years I've had turkey that tasted like
anything. It wasn't brined and certainly didn't need to be.

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 07:47:35 GMT, John Hancock
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Nov 2003 06:22:32 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
wrote:

*snip!
For the past several weeks, however, I've been waxing
nostalgic over childhood holiday meals and decided to recreate a 1950's
Thanksgiving dinner as my late mother would have prepared.
*snip!

Luckily, everything turned out well with no mishaps and no timing
problem.

What a nice day!

Wayne


Our dinner was similar. I used fresh cranberries for some great
sauce, but I used canned pumpkin for my pies.

Why would anyone can pumpkin? And if so, who would buy it?

Where I came from in England pumpkin was never available as a
vegetable or anything else. It was grown as winter food for cattle.

Whether or not English people now eat pumpkin or not I cannot say. I
certainly never have. However, it seems to be almost a staple in the
USA. Perhaps they feed their cattle something else in winter.


I have a foster home and on holidays we model for the teens what a
family holiday can be. I only have one teen who was with us last year.
For the others, this is their first Thanksgiving in our home. We
always invite all their families to join us. One year I had 21 people
for Thanksgiving. This year 2 teens went to their families for the
holiday. The other 3 are here with us. None of their families or
relatives joined us for dinner, but they were warmly invited. Maybe
Christmas.

Tigsnona

If you can keep your head when those around you
are losing theirs, you probably haven't understood
the situation.

Tigsnona wrote:

Our dinner was similar. I used fresh cranberries for some great
sauce, but I used canned pumpkin for my pies.


Why would anyone can pumpkin? And if so, who would buy it?

You seem to think that your ignorant and incurious behavior should be
the standard for everyone. Let me answer your questions. People would
can pumpkin because it can be canned. It saves work of peeling,
seeding, cooking and pureeing it for culinary use. Who would buy it
are wise people who recognize good food and don't have prejudices
predicated on ignorance, general stupidity and an intransigent mindset
stemming from a profound xenophobia and limited intelligence.

Where I came from in England pumpkin was never available as a
vegetable or anything else. It was grown as winter food for cattle.

Where you come from in England is hardly to be considered a culinary
standard for any civilized kitchen. I ate every single good dish that
wasn't a uniform gray in all of English cuisine one Wednesday between
lunch and supper.

The fact that you and your neighbors *only* used it for animal food
shows the depth of your ignorance about food. The fact that you strut
your pride about knowing virtually nothing about food is finally the
beginning and end of the story for you.

Whether or not English people now eat pumpkin or not I cannot say. I
certainly never have.

And you're the less for it. The vacuum of your culinary knowledge is
inspiring to us all. And, as all good vacuums, it sucks.

However, it seems to be almost a staple in the
USA. Perhaps they feed their cattle something else in winter.

We feed cattle crisp new dollar bills because we have so many of them.

As for pumpkins, they're a new world food. You Brits still haven't
gotten over being outdone by the Spanish, Portuguese and French in the
new world. Hell, Luxembourg probably could have done it if they even
bothered to try. And to get thrown out of what turned out to be a
spectacular colony because the king was a bumbling fool who sent
incompetent and bumbling military people to fight a lost battle. Well,
one can understand your pique and dissatisfaction with the US. One
humiliation after another for you and, of course, it would rankle. And
then to be outdone in every single index of economic, technological,
scientific, industrial, athletic and every other measure of success.
One can certainly appreciate your distress at such onerous weight
being put upon you. Shithead.

EOFS

Pastorio

wrote:

*snip!
For the past several weeks, however, I've been waxing
nostalgic over childhood holiday meals and decided to recreate a 1950's
Thanksgiving dinner as my late mother would have prepared.
*snip!

Luckily, everything turned out well with no mishaps and no timing
problem.

What a nice day!

Wayne


Our dinner was similar. I used fresh cranberries for some great
sauce, but I used canned pumpkin for my pies.

Why would anyone can pumpkin? And if so, who would buy it?

Where I came from in England pumpkin was never available as a
vegetable or anything else. It was grown as winter food for cattle.

Perhaps Americans are like cattle?

Whether or not English people now eat pumpkin or not I cannot say. I
certainly never have. However, it seems to be almost a staple in the
USA. Perhaps they feed their cattle something else in winter.

Perhaps Americans feed their cattle grass or grain?

I have a foster home and on holidays we model for the teens what a
family holiday can be. I only have one teen who was with us last year.
For the others, this is their first Thanksgiving in our home. We
always invite all their families to join us. One year I had 21 people
for Thanksgiving. This year 2 teens went to their families for the
holiday. The other 3 are here with us. None of their families or
relatives joined us for dinner, but they were warmly invited. Maybe
Christmas.

Tigsnona

I'm sure you present a model family for the teens.

Hmmmm.......this reminds me of someone from a long time ago. Wasn't there a
Mrs. Beeton (Beaton?) here for a month or two a couple of years ago?


rharps.com

snipped

Where you come from in England is hardly to be considered a culinary
standard for any civilized kitchen. I ate every single good dish that
wasn't a uniform gray in all of English cuisine one Wednesday between
lunch and supper.

Well, good for you. What uniform gray dishes are you referring to?
In the USA many of the dishes seem to be treated to some sort of deep
yellow/orange coloured cheese which has been done au gratin - so
uniform orange is how I would describe them.

The fact that you and your neighbors *only* used it for animal food
shows the depth of your ignorance about food. The fact that you strut
your pride about knowing virtually nothing about food is finally the
beginning and end of the story for you.

I have owned and operated a very successful restaurant before I
retired on the proceeds. And I never cooked or served pumpkin to
anyone!

Whether or not English people now eat pumpkin or not I cannot say. I
certainly never have.

And you're the less for it. The vacuum of your culinary knowledge is
inspiring to us all. And, as all good vacuums, it sucks.

However, it seems to be almost a staple in the
USA. Perhaps they feed their cattle something else in winter.

We feed cattle crisp new dollar bills because we have so many of them.

Well hello? This past week I have been purchasing (non culinary)
goods from the USA by Internet - the US dollar is so low - good
bargains to be had. Keep on feeding them to your steers I say!

As for pumpkins, they're a new world food. You Brits still haven't
gotten over being outdone by the Spanish, Portuguese and French in the
new world. Hell, Luxembourg probably could have done it if they even
bothered to try. And to get thrown out of what turned out to be a
spectacular colony because the king was a bumbling fool who sent
incompetent and bumbling military people to fight a lost battle.

Are you referring to some sort of revolution that occurred over 220
years ago? If so, get a grip and move on. There have been enough
colonial disasters in the past few years with which to whip the
English without going back into your own history. But then of course
most Americans only know about their own history (and country). A
few (some of the 30% who actually have passports) know marginally
more. But hey, with your dollar so low, why should we complain?

one can understand your pique and dissatisfaction with the US. One
humiliation after another for you and, of course, it would rankle. And
then to be outdone in every single index of economic, technological,
scientific, industrial, athletic and every other measure of success.

Are we talking about the discovery of penicillin (British) the
invention of the periodic table (Russian), the invention of the motor
car (German and Italian)? Oh yes, Americans can run faster, swim
faster, jump higher, and American atheletes can ingest more
performance-enhancing drugs than anyone else, so the measure of
success is HUGE I grant you.

One can certainly appreciate your distress at such onerous weight
being put upon you. Shithead.

EOFS

Pastorio

Tigsnona

If you can keep your head when those around you
are losing theirs, you probably haven't understood
the situation.

Tigsnona wrote:

snipped

Where you come from in England is hardly to be considered a culinary
standard for any civilized kitchen. I ate every single good dish that
wasn't a uniform gray in all of English cuisine one Wednesday between
lunch and supper.


Well, good for you. What uniform gray dishes are you referring to?

All of them.

In the USA many of the dishes seem to be treated to some sort of deep
yellow/orange coloured cheese which has been done au gratin - so
uniform orange is how I would describe them.

Of course you would. So would any other ignoramus who hasn't grasped
the notion that the US is comprised of 300 million people who came
here from every country on earth and brought their cultures and foods
with them.

You need to eat somewhere other than those soup kitchens and
back-alley joints your descriptions seem to indicate.

The fact that you and your neighbors *only* used it for animal food
shows the depth of your ignorance about food. The fact that you strut
your pride about knowing virtually nothing about food is finally the
beginning and end of the story for you.

I have owned and operated a very successful restaurant before I
retired on the proceeds.

I doubt your restaurant served particularly interesting foods given
your ughs and eewwws that you so often post. Your food knowledge is
dwarfed by the average schoolchild's. As for successful, there's a
sucker born every minute. I love your prideful acknowledgment that
you're simply ignorant of food and cooking.

Oh, please. Tell us about the delicate morsels you served Chez
Tigsnona. Tempt us with your subtle and sophisticated fare. Sing us
the poetry of your menu. Make us want to rush to the antipodes and sup
on rare delights. Tell us about your "restaurant."

What ambrosial mixes did you use? What cans with pretty labels did you
open? What convenience products did you say were from scratch? What
"homemade" foods were just assembled in that gleaming kitchen?

And I never cooked or served pumpkin to anyone!

And you say that so proudly. As though it were something to be proud
of. Europeans eat pumpkins in many varieties. Italians make many
lovely dishes from them. All over Asia, pumpkins and their close kin
are good, cheap, nourishing food. And you're simply too uninformed to
know that. And you had a restaurant. Nothing like an educated
restaurateur (yes, that's how it's spelled. Don't mention it.). You,
of course, demonstrate the truth of that.

Whether or not English people now eat pumpkin or not I cannot say. I
certainly never have.

And you're the less for it. The vacuum of your culinary knowledge is
inspiring to us all. And, as all good vacuums, it sucks.

However, it seems to be almost a staple in the
USA. Perhaps they feed their cattle something else in winter.

We feed cattle crisp new dollar bills because we have so many of them.

Well hello? This past week I have been purchasing (non culinary)
goods from the USA by Internet - the US dollar is so low - good
bargains to be had. Keep on feeding them to your steers I say!

LOL HOw opaquely dense you are.

And just keep sending your money here. I'm sure these uneducated
Americans will appreciate your generosity. Um, how come you aren't
buying this stuff from places and people you like? Could it be that
you don't see the glorious irony of your purchases?

As for pumpkins, they're a new world food. You Brits still haven't
gotten over being outdone by the Spanish, Portuguese and French in the
new world. Hell, Luxembourg probably could have done it if they even
bothered to try. And to get thrown out of what turned out to be a
spectacular colony because the king was a bumbling fool who sent
incompetent and bumbling military people to fight a lost battle.

Are you referring to some sort of revolution that occurred over 220
years ago? If so, get a grip and move on.

Not only. I meant that Brits ended up with the smelly end of the stick
all through the Americas. Couple pretty islands and a few uglies
(Think Thatcher and warships to the South Atlantic) and that's about it.

There have been enough
colonial disasters in the past few years with which to whip the
English without going back into your own history.

Haven't there, though. I was trying to be kind and not mention them
all. But you know your humiliations better than I do. Here. Take this
hankie and quit blubbering.

But then of course
most Americans only know about their own history (and country).

I love how you keep playing that one note with all the ignorance it
demonstrates. It's singularly fascinating how you "know" so much about
America and Americans but manage to show the opposite every time you
post. I bet the average NZ resident knows a lot about the Balkans or
the middle east. Deeply knowledgeable about Scandinavia. Right?

We're the third largest country on earth. More languages spoken here
than anywhere else. More kinds of meat and produce grown here than
anywhere. More culinary choices than anywhere else. You can drive
intently for a couple weeks and still not run from sea to sea. More
books published here than anywhere else. More radio and tv choices.
More newspapers and magazines. More social and service organizations.
More universities and colleges. More symphonies and more museums.

A few (some of the 30% who actually have passports) know marginally
more.

Marginally... LOL

So let's see. 30% of 300 million looks like about 90 million Americans
have passports. Any other country have that many? Given that we don't
need them to travel all over North America, that looks like 2 of the 3
biggest countries on earth and we haven't even figured in Mexico yet.
Few million square miles, desert, seacoasts, mountains, rain forest,
plains. Cities and wilderness and everything in between.

So how many countries have you visited for more than a couple weeks? I
count mine in the dozens. You? Languages, me? Better use both hands to
count. You?

But hey, with your dollar so low, why should we complain?

You shouldn't. You should buy, buy, buy. And make us an even more
powerful economy. Make us the undisputed economic leader of the earth.
Ooops. Too late. We already are. I bet you think it's an accident.

one can understand your pique and dissatisfaction with the US. One
humiliation after another for you and, of course, it would rankle. And
then to be outdone in every single index of economic, technological,
scientific, industrial, athletic and every other measure of success.

Are we talking about the discovery of penicillin (British) the
invention of the periodic table (Russian), the invention of the motor
car (German and Italian)?

Well, that's three out of an essentially infinite universe. Actually
the properties of bread mold and soil as curatives were well known
around the world before it went into commercial production. And the
periodic table was first postulated by a Brit who couldn't seem to do
much with it so had to leave it to Mendeleev to make something of it.
As for the automobile, you're just as ignorant about that as
everything else. Try some history:
http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aacarssteama.htm

Oh yes, Americans can run faster, swim
faster, jump higher, and American atheletes

The athletes can also likely spell better than that, too. But I note
you try to force it to a trivial example because there aren't many
others you could muster without further embarrassment. Pity your folks
haven't made a better showing, eh? And then you pile on this sort of
nonsense, below.

can ingest more
performance-enhancing drugs than anyone else, so the measure of
success is HUGE I grant you.

Right. You'll say anything to gain a point. Lamentably, it more
illustrates your crippled ways and shallow values.

But the point remains that for all your bluster and all your
ignorantly bigoted blather, you merely make yourself look, well, as
stupid as you are. Your frequent shots at the US sound like a bizarre
obsession. Your relentlessly sour viewpoint sounds like an emotional
disturbance of some sort. Your singularly peculiar points to pick on
about the US sound like ignorance carried along on the tide of a kind
of spittle-flecked anger disproportionate to anything in the real world.

You project a splendidly winning combination of ignorance, bigotry and
a relatively low IQ.

One can certainly appreciate your distress at such onerous weight
being put upon you. Shithead.

EOFS

Pastorio

Tigsnona

If you can keep your head when those around you
are losing theirs, you probably haven't understood
the situation.

I daresay that not understanding the situation is the hallmark of your
life.

Pastorio