Melba's Jammin' wrote in message ...
In article ,
ospam (DJS0302) wrote:

I was about a year and a half from being born. I've always wondered
if it were some other president that had been assassinated would
people had reacted as much. Although I would never wish such fate on
anyone I keep asking myself what's so great about the Kennedy's?

I'm not sure that historians regard him as a particularly "great"
president but he was young, handsome, and charismatic. A great smile.
He had a beautiful young wife and two cute little kids. He inspired
folks to try to help others. Mostly, I think, he was a very charismatic
guy. And his morals were no better than other presidents'. And
probably no worse.


Spot on. Also, it was the first televised National Tragedy (TM). The
changes in media at them time made it a very prominent event.

Of course, there's also the little fact that he spent that charisma
and smile challenging Americans to reevaluate how they treated their
fellow citizens and the world. Nixon could not have done that.

Greg Zywicki

Oh, and what there was of me was in either the left or right ovary.
I'm not sure. Probably the right.

On 12/03/2003 9:10 AM, in article
, "Greg Zywicki"
opined:

Melba's Jammin' wrote in message
...
In article ,
ospam (DJS0302) wrote:

I was about a year and a half from being born. I've always wondered
if it were some other president that had been assassinated would
people had reacted as much. Although I would never wish such fate on
anyone I keep asking myself what's so great about the Kennedy's?

I'm not sure that historians regard him as a particularly "great"
president but he was young, handsome, and charismatic. A great smile.
He had a beautiful young wife and two cute little kids. He inspired
folks to try to help others. Mostly, I think, he was a very charismatic
guy. And his morals were no better than other presidents'. And
probably no worse.


Spot on. Also, it was the first televised National Tragedy (TM). The
changes in media at them time made it a very prominent event.

Of course, there's also the little fact that he spent that charisma
and smile challenging Americans to reevaluate how they treated their
fellow citizens and the world. Nixon could not have done that.

Nixon was one of the greatest presidents of the modern era.

Greg Zywicki

Oh, and what there was of me was in either the left or right ovary.
I'm not sure. Probably the right.

Too bad it was years before Woe Vs. Wade!

The Wolf wrote in message ...
On 12/03/2003 9:10 AM, in article
, "Greg Zywicki"
opined:

Melba's Jammin' wrote in message
...
In article ,
ospam (DJS0302) wrote:

I was about a year and a half from being born. I've always wondered
if it were some other president that had been assassinated would
people had reacted as much. Although I would never wish such fate on
anyone I keep asking myself what's so great about the Kennedy's?

I'm not sure that historians regard him as a particularly "great"
president but he was young, handsome, and charismatic. A great smile.
He had a beautiful young wife and two cute little kids. He inspired
folks to try to help others. Mostly, I think, he was a very charismatic
guy. And his morals were no better than other presidents'. And
probably no worse.


Spot on. Also, it was the first televised National Tragedy (TM). The
changes in media at them time made it a very prominent event.

Of course, there's also the little fact that he spent that charisma
and smile challenging Americans to reevaluate how they treated their
fellow citizens and the world. Nixon could not have done that.

Nixon was one of the greatest presidents of the modern era.

No, he wasn't. He threw us in to an energy crisis and otherwise
screwed the economy big time. He behaved in ways that horibly
distorted american politics and civic life, he put some serious hurt
to the Republican party and bolstered the lunacy of the left.

He also found a way to claw us out of Johnson's war, He stood firm
against the Soviets, and his work with China can't be underpraised.

He was both a very good and very bad president. He doesn't qualify
for greatness, due to his massive flaws.

And regardless of any of that, he could not have helped inspire
America to confront segregation the way Kennedy could. Even the most
capable squid (and Nixon was a highly capable cephalopod) can'g
inspire the people, because he's a squid.


Greg Zywicki

Oh, and what there was of me was in either the left or right ovary.
I'm not sure. Probably the right.

Too bad it was years before Woe Vs. Wade!

Lissen, knumnuts - I'm probably the closest thing to an idealogical
ally you're going to find on this group (aside from the anti-gay
bigotry - you really need to look into that.) You're wasting your
time attacking me.

Greg Zywicki

On 12/04/2003 5:34 AM, in article
, "Greg Zywicki"
opined:

The Wolf wrote in message
...
On 12/03/2003 9:10 AM, in article
, "Greg Zywicki"
opined:

Melba's Jammin' wrote in message
...
In article ,
ospam (DJS0302) wrote:

I was about a year and a half from being born. I've always wondered
if it were some other president that had been assassinated would
people had reacted as much. Although I would never wish such fate on
anyone I keep asking myself what's so great about the Kennedy's?

I'm not sure that historians regard him as a particularly "great"
president but he was young, handsome, and charismatic. A great smile.
He had a beautiful young wife and two cute little kids. He inspired
folks to try to help others. Mostly, I think, he was a very charismatic
guy. And his morals were no better than other presidents'. And
probably no worse.


Spot on. Also, it was the first televised National Tragedy (TM). The
changes in media at them time made it a very prominent event.

Of course, there's also the little fact that he spent that charisma
and smile challenging Americans to reevaluate how they treated their
fellow citizens and the world. Nixon could not have done that.

Nixon was one of the greatest presidents of the modern era.

No, he wasn't. He threw us in to an energy crisis and otherwise
screwed the economy big time.

Are you talking about the Arab oil embargo of 1972?

Because if you are I really don't think the Arab-Isreali war was Nixon's
fault.


He behaved in ways that horibly
distorted american politics and civic life, he put some serious hurt
to the Republican party and bolstered the lunacy of the left.

He also found a way to claw us out of Johnson's war, He stood firm
against the Soviets, and his work with China can't be underpraised.

He was both a very good and very bad president. He doesn't qualify
for greatness, due to his massive flaws.

And regardless of any of that, he could not have helped inspire
America to confront segregation the way Kennedy could. Even the most
capable squid (and Nixon was a highly capable cephalopod) can'g
inspire the people, because he's a squid.

You've made my point for me, opening up relations with China and Détente
with USSR was pure genius.

No he was NOT a charismatic man, presidents should not be judged that way.
Clinton was charismatic with fat little kids, look where that got us.

History will some day prove that Watergate was John Dean's idea to get some
photographs of his prostitute wife back from the DNC.


Greg Zywicki

Oh, and what there was of me was in either the left or right ovary.
I'm not sure. Probably the right.

Too bad it was years before Woe Vs. Wade!

Typo, I meant Roe.

Lissen, knumnuts - I'm probably the closest thing to an idealogical
ally you're going to find on this group (aside from the anti-gay
bigotry - you really need to look into that.)

No I don't.

You're wasting your
time attacking me.

Greg Zywicki

The Wolf wrote in message ...

And regardless of any of that, he could not have helped inspire
America to confront segregation the way Kennedy could. Even the most
capable squid (and Nixon was a highly capable cephalopod) can'g
inspire the people, because he's a squid.

You've made my point for me, opening up relations with China and Détente
with USSR was pure genius.

That's because I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THOSE THINGS!!!!! That was
sorta my POINT!


No he was NOT a charismatic man, presidents should not be judged that way.
Clinton was charismatic with fat little kids, look where that got us.

Clinton squandered his charisma getting tail and swag. Kennedy used
some of his to Change the World (tm.) Presidents should be judged on
their accomplishments and affect on civic life. Kennedy had precious
few accomplishments, but a huge affect on civic life. Nixon's great
accomplishments have been overshadowed in most people's minds by his
negative impact on civic life. Watergate was just part of the story.

Of course, he did invite Elvis to the White House. He doesn't get
enough credit for that.


History will some day prove that Watergate was John Dean's idea to get some
photographs of his prostitute wife back from the DNC.


That's an angle I hadn't heard before.

Greg Zywicki

Oh, and what there was of me was in either the left or right ovary.
I'm not sure. Probably the right.

Too bad it was years before Woe Vs. Wade!

Typo, I meant Roe.

Yeah, I got the joke. Good one, too.


Lissen, knumnuts - I'm probably the closest thing to an idealogical
ally you're going to find on this group (aside from the anti-gay
bigotry - you really need to look into that.)

No I don't.


Please yourself.

Greg Zywicki

On 12/05/2003 5:06 AM, in article
, "Greg Zywicki"
opined:

The Wolf wrote in message
...

And regardless of any of that, he could not have helped inspire
America to confront segregation the way Kennedy could. Even the most
capable squid (and Nixon was a highly capable cephalopod) can'g
inspire the people, because he's a squid.

You've made my point for me, opening up relations with China and Détente
with USSR was pure genius.

That's because I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THOSE THINGS!!!!! That was
sorta my POINT!


No he was NOT a charismatic man, presidents should not be judged that way.
Clinton was charismatic with fat little kids, look where that got us.

Clinton squandered his charisma getting tail and swag. Kennedy used
some of his to Change the World (tm.) Presidents should be judged on
their accomplishments and affect on civic life. Kennedy had precious
few accomplishments, but a huge affect on civic life. Nixon's great
accomplishments have been overshadowed in most people's minds by his
negative impact on civic life. Watergate was just part of the story.

Of course, he did invite Elvis to the White House. He doesn't get
enough credit for that.

Believe it or not according to the folks at Graceland, Elvis WAS NOT
invited. He just decided get on his private 727(type jet) and show up one
day. Nixon agreed to meet him and Elvis gave Nixon a Civil War era handgun
to show his appreciation. I think it was Halderman who had to explain to
Nixon who Elvis was :-)


History will some day prove that Watergate was John Dean's idea to get some
photographs of his prostitute wife back from the DNC.


That's an angle I hadn't heard before.

There was a civil suit brought by a Louisiana University Professor, female,
who was portrayed as a DNC prostitute during the Watergate era. Liddy was
subpoenaed and testified. I don't think she got any money. A lot of that
sort of thing was going on back then and that's how Dean met his wife.

Greg Zywicki

Oh, and what there was of me was in either the left or right ovary.
I'm not sure. Probably the right.

Too bad it was years before Woe Vs. Wade!

Typo, I meant Roe.

Yeah, I got the joke. Good one, too.


Lissen, knumnuts - I'm probably the closest thing to an idealogical
ally you're going to find on this group (aside from the anti-gay
bigotry - you really need to look into that.)

No I don't.


Please yourself.

Greg Zywicki

"Greg Zywicki" wrote in message
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Of course, he did invite Elvis to the White House. He doesn't get
enough credit for that.

He didn't invite him; Elvis got on a plane and flew to DC, showed up at the
White House gate and presented a letter he composed on the plane. He was
requesting a DEA badge (laugh). Not only that but he was carrying a pistol
that he intended to give to Nixon as a gift. Tricky Dick did grant him an
audience, but that's not really an invite.

Jack King

Greg is right about this. I had forgotten this, but when the Peace Corps was
initiated, that was the first (and only) time I regretted having married and
started a family so young. I wanted so much to be a part of the PC.

"Gregory Morrow" wrote in message
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DJS0302 wrote:


There was also the "Ask not what your country can do for you but what you
can do for your country" mentality that JFK invoked Seems lame to us now
since we live in such a cynical age, but people really *were*
enthusiastic
about the Peace Corps and the Civil Rights movement and the Alliance For
Progress and the Space Race, etc.

"Jack Schidt®" wrote in message .com...
"Greg Zywicki" wrote in message
om...
Of course, he did invite Elvis to the White House. He doesn't get
enough credit for that.

He didn't invite him; Elvis got on a plane and flew to DC, showed up at the
White House gate and presented a letter he composed on the plane. He was
requesting a DEA badge (laugh). Not only that but he was carrying a pistol
that he intended to give to Nixon as a gift. Tricky Dick did grant him an
audience, but that's not really an invite.

Jack King

Ah, throw the man a bone, will ya? The photograph of The King and The Trickster
is such classic pop-culture that Nixon deserves our gratitude.

Greg Zywicki

On 12/08/2003 5:49 AM, in article
, "Greg Zywicki"
opined:

"Jack Schidt®" wrote in message
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"Greg Zywicki" wrote in message
om...
Of course, he did invite Elvis to the White House. He doesn't get
enough credit for that.

He didn't invite him; Elvis got on a plane and flew to DC, showed up at the
White House gate and presented a letter he composed on the plane. He was
requesting a DEA badge (laugh). Not only that but he was carrying a pistol
that he intended to give to Nixon as a gift. Tricky Dick did grant him an
audience, but that's not really an invite.

Jack King

Ah, throw the man a bone, will ya? The photograph of The King and The
Trickster
is such classic pop-culture that Nixon deserves our gratitude.

Greg Zywicki

Agreed, it's a classic!

Could you imagine me or you showing up at the White House door in a
rhinestone studded jump suit asking to see the president?

We would be on the next plane to Guantánamo!

Thank you very much................

The Wolf wrote in message ...
On 12/08/2003 5:49 AM, in article
, "Greg Zywicki"
opined:

"Jack Schidt®" wrote in message
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"Greg Zywicki" wrote in message
om...
Of course, he did invite Elvis to the White House. He doesn't get
enough credit for that.

He didn't invite him; Elvis got on a plane and flew to DC, showed up at the
White House gate and presented a letter he composed on the plane. He was
requesting a DEA badge (laugh). Not only that but he was carrying a pistol
that he intended to give to Nixon as a gift. Tricky Dick did grant him an
audience, but that's not really an invite.

Jack King

Ah, throw the man a bone, will ya? The photograph of The King and The
Trickster
is such classic pop-culture that Nixon deserves our gratitude.

Greg Zywicki

Agreed, it's a classic!

Could you imagine me or you showing up at the White House door in a
rhinestone studded jump suit asking to see the president?

We would be on the next plane to Guantánamo!

Thank you very much................

While packing heat, no less.

Look at the consensus we've built. Doesn't it fill you with holiday
cheer? Who says there's no hope for reasoned discussion among those
who disagree?

Greg Zywicki
(Seriously - this does highlight the value of pop culture. It is a
great tool for mitigating serious gulfs in viewpoint.)

"Greg Zywicki" wrote in message
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"Jack Schidt®" wrote in message
.com...
"Greg Zywicki" wrote in message
om...
Of course, he did invite Elvis to the White House. He doesn't get
enough credit for that.

He didn't invite him; Elvis got on a plane and flew to DC, showed up at
the
White House gate and presented a letter he composed on the plane. He
was
requesting a DEA badge (laugh). Not only that but he was carrying a
pistol
that he intended to give to Nixon as a gift. Tricky Dick did grant him
an
audience, but that's not really an invite.

Jack King

Ah, throw the man a bone, will ya? The photograph of The King and The
Trickster
is such classic pop-culture that Nixon deserves our gratitude.

Greg Zywicki

Yep, a photo of a druggie and a paranoid-schizophrenic. Real time-capsule
material.

Jack BestFootForward

"Jack Schidt®" wrote in message om...
"Greg Zywicki" wrote in message
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"Jack Schidt®" wrote in message
.com...
"Greg Zywicki" wrote in message
om...
Of course, he did invite Elvis to the White House. He doesn't get
enough credit for that.

He didn't invite him; Elvis got on a plane and flew to DC, showed up at
the
White House gate and presented a letter he composed on the plane. He
was
requesting a DEA badge (laugh). Not only that but he was carrying a
pistol
that he intended to give to Nixon as a gift. Tricky Dick did grant him
an
audience, but that's not really an invite.

Jack King

Ah, throw the man a bone, will ya? The photograph of The King and The
Trickster
is such classic pop-culture that Nixon deserves our gratitude.

Greg Zywicki

Yep, a photo of a druggie and a paranoid-schizophrenic. Real time-capsule
material.

Jack BestFootForward


Which was which, again?

Greg Zywicki

"Greg Zywicki" wrote in message
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"Jack Schidt®" wrote in message
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"Greg Zywicki" wrote in message
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"Jack Schidt®" wrote in message
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Yep, a photo of a druggie and a paranoid-schizophrenic. Real
time-capsule
material.

Jack BestFootForward


Which was which, again?

Greg Zywicki

I dunno....perhaps a composite 'morph' type photo is appropriate here. Like
a hologram, maybe.

Jack Card