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Today I finnaly bought a digital instant read thermometer and a
collapsible silicon colandar. I really hated the storage space the metal
collandar took up in a cupboard and also figured it was time to go
digital with my instant read thermometer.

Almost bought a specialized garlic crusher...looked kinda like a
stainless steel toilet paper holder cylinder with a section of gear
teeth in the middle. But figured the side of my cleaver works well
enough.

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A couple years back I replaced my tired bristle basting brush with a set of
three silicon brushes. A big improvement!

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My first wife.

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On Oct 7, 2:03*pm, "George Leppla" > wrote:
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Same here and couple girlfriends along the way.
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Alan wrote:

> Today I finnaly bought a digital instant read thermometer and a
> collapsible silicon colandar. I really hated the storage space the metal
> collandar took up in a cupboard and also figured it was time to go
> digital with my instant read thermometer.
>
> Almost bought a specialized garlic crusher...looked kinda like a
> stainless steel toilet paper holder cylinder with a section of gear
> teeth in the middle. But figured the side of my cleaver works well
> enough.


I'd been using an analog kitchen scales for years, but recently bought a
digital one. Works great.

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> Today I finnaly bought a digital instant read thermometer and a
> collapsible silicon colandar. I really hated the storage space the metal
> collandar took up in a cupboard and also figured it was time to go
> digital with my instant read thermometer.



After much wincing, I broke down and bought a Thermapen thermometer. Totally
transformed my cooking. Wonderful. Gave my crappy old Taylor digital to my
Mom. (Yes, I'm a bad boy...)

Also picked up a 1750 watt Krups electric kettle. I'm sort of astonished at
how much I use it... probably more than any other appliance I have. The
thing boils water lightning fast. It's the only one I found for sale in the
U.S.A. with that high a wattage.

Hasta,
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On Oct 7, 1:02*pm, hahabogus > wrote (snipped):
> Almost bought a specialized garlic crusher...looked kinda like a
> stainless steel toilet paper holder cylinder with a section of gear
> teeth in the middle. But figured the side of my cleaver works well
> enough.

Based on my exceedingly frugal daughter's kitchen gadget ideas and
advice, I have not replaced the rather old, small, hand crank nut
chopper I actually enjoy using. I was also going to buy us both a
rather large, cuts three or four different ways, vegetable chopper.
I'd like having that for when I make big batches of soups, salads or
stews. Her logic? She cooks big most days, but feels all the peeling
and chopping is a great stress reducer and for me the "big batches"
will pretty much be past when I retire next year and will no longer be
cooking for 6-15 Marines at a time weekly. I gave though to her
stress reduction claim, which for me turns into cooking days I really
enjoy instead of feel rushed through because of peeling and chopping.

Best in a very long time replacement? I grew up on using nothing but
the local grocer's Gold Medal AP Flour. A few weeks ago my first
order (of four different sorts) from KA Flour came in. I will never
again buy a grocery store's on the shelf for who knows how long
flours. What a good difference this quality, fresh flour has made in
my baking!
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On Oct 7, 4:02*pm, hahabogus > wrote:
> Today I finnaly bought a digital instant read thermometer and a
> collapsible silicon colandar. I really hated the storage space the metal
> collandar took up in a cupboard and also figured it was time to go
> digital with my instant read thermometer.
>
> Almost bought a specialized garlic crusher...looked kinda like a
> stainless steel toilet paper holder cylinder with a section of gear
> teeth in the middle. But figured the side of my cleaver works well
> enough.
>
> --
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My Kitchenaid food processor - wanted a bigger one when my old one was
wearing out.

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> On Oct 7, 1:02 pm, hahabogus > wrote (snipped):
>> Almost bought a specialized garlic crusher...looked kinda like a
>> stainless steel toilet paper holder cylinder with a section of gear
>> teeth in the middle. But figured the side of my cleaver works well
>> enough.

> Based on my exceedingly frugal daughter's kitchen gadget ideas and
> advice, I have not replaced the rather old, small, hand crank nut
> chopper I actually enjoy using. I was also going to buy us both a
> rather large, cuts three or four different ways, vegetable chopper.
> I'd like having that for when I make big batches of soups, salads or
> stews. Her logic? She cooks big most days, but feels all the peeling
> and chopping is a great stress reducer and for me the "big batches"
> will pretty much be past when I retire next year and will no longer be
> cooking for 6-15 Marines at a time weekly. I gave though to her
> stress reduction claim, which for me turns into cooking days I really
> enjoy instead of feel rushed through because of peeling and chopping.
>
> Best in a very long time replacement? I grew up on using nothing but
> the local grocer's Gold Medal AP Flour. A few weeks ago my first
> order (of four different sorts) from KA Flour came in. I will never
> again buy a grocery store's on the shelf for who knows how long
> flours. What a good difference this quality, fresh flour has made in
> my baking!
> ...Picky


Hi Picky: so you were ok with the shipping costs of the KA flour? I
confess, the frugal side of me balked at that, but it's been awhile, so
maybe I better have a look again. I seem to recall that I can get
several KA flours at the local market.

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On Oct 7, 6:20*pm, TammyM > wrote:
> Hi Picky: *so you were ok with the shipping costs of the KA flour? *I
> confess, the frugal side of me balked at that, but it's been awhile, so
> maybe I better have a look again. *I seem to recall that I can get
> several KA flours at the local market.

Tammy, here is my second order total detail:
Merchandise: $138.05
Shipping: $20.00
Order Total: $158.05
Considering that well over half the order was containers and such, non-
food taxible and I paid no tax, I'm okay. My first order was about
$58 and don't remember what the shipping was. If you can get KA
flours at your grocer and check the use-by dates, good on ya! I am on
the left side, and without KA products anywhere I have
shopped....Picks



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"Curt Nelson" > wrote:

> "hahabogus" > wrote in message
> 47...
> > Today I finnaly bought a digital instant read thermometer and a
> > collapsible silicon colandar. I really hated the storage space the metal
> > collandar took up in a cupboard and also figured it was time to go
> > digital with my instant read thermometer.

>
>
> After much wincing, I broke down and bought a Thermapen thermometer. Totally
> transformed my cooking. Wonderful. Gave my crappy old Taylor digital to my
> Mom. (Yes, I'm a bad boy...)
>
> Also picked up a 1750 watt Krups electric kettle. I'm sort of astonished at
> how much I use it... probably more than any other appliance I have. The
> thing boils water lightning fast. It's the only one I found for sale in the
> U.S.A. with that high a wattage.


I'm guessing that small appliances can have more watts in other
countries, because they have 220volt lines. Hopefully you aren't
running this kettle on a 15 amp line, although if you are, you've
probably been making trips out to your breaker box, especially if there
is anything else on the circuit.

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Bob Terwilliger > wrote:

>I'd been using an analog kitchen scales for years, but recently bought a
>digital one. Works great.


Same here. We now have a Salter digital scale that we
use both as a kitchen scale and as a postal scale. The
only downside is now and then the 9-volt battery goes dead.

Mostly though we use the same old stuff in the kitchen
we've always had -- an exception being we upgraded
to Henkel knives two years ago. And we supplemented the
Cusinart model 10 with a couple of stick blenders.

The stove, refrigerator, and microwave are the only ones
we've had in this house, and we've been here 24 years.

I don't like buying new stuff. :-)


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> On Oct 7, 6:20*pm, TammyM > wrote:
> > Hi Picky: *so you were ok with the shipping costs of the KA flour? *I
> > confess, the frugal side of me balked at that, but it's been awhile, so
> > maybe I better have a look again. *I seem to recall that I can get
> > several KA flours at the local market.

> Tammy, here is my second order total detail:
> Merchandise: $138.05
> Shipping: $20.00
> Order Total: $158.05
> Considering that well over half the order was containers and such, non-
> food taxible and I paid no tax, I'm okay. My first order was about
> $58 and don't remember what the shipping was. If you can get KA
> flours at your grocer and check the use-by dates, good on ya! I am on
> the left side, and without KA products anywhere I have
> shopped....Picks


Tammy and I are on the left side (of the US). I'm thinking Trader Joes?

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"Chemo the Clown" > ha scritto nel messaggio
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On Oct 7, 2:03 pm, "George Leppla" > wrote:
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> George L.


>Same here and couple girlfriends along the way.


Very cute. Can you convince them to come here and tell us what their takes
are?


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On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 19:17:30 -0700 (PDT), PickyJaz >
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>f you can get KA
>flours at your grocer and check the use-by dates, good on ya! I am on
>the left side, and without KA products anywhere I have
>shopped....Picks


She's on the left side a couple of hours from me.

I vaguely recall seeing King Arthur once (only once) and wondering if
I should grab it even though I didn't plan to bake in the near future.
I need to look around and see if I can spot it again. I wouldn't buy
plain white, but I recall seeing types I have never used the last time
I looked at their site.


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On Oct 7, 4:02*pm, hahabogus > wrote:
> Today I finnaly bought a digital instant read thermometer and a
> collapsible silicon colandar. I really hated the storage space the metal
> collandar took up in a cupboard and also figured it was time to go
> digital with my instant read thermometer.
>
> Almost bought a specialized garlic crusher...looked kinda like a
> stainless steel toilet paper holder cylinder with a section of gear
> teeth in the middle. But figured the side of my cleaver works well
> enough.



I donated an old three legged colander for a sturdy one on a ring base
- no more pasta dumped over in the sink.

I'm def. going to buy a decent oven thermom. too.

Still dreaming about that mandoline...........

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On Oct 7, 10:17*pm, PickyJaz > wrote:
> On Oct 7, 6:20*pm, TammyM > wrote:> Hi Picky: *so you were ok with the shipping costs of the KA flour? *I
> > confess, the frugal side of me balked at that, but it's been awhile, so
> > maybe I better have a look again. *I seem to recall that I can get
> > several KA flours at the local market.

>
> Tammy, here is my second order total detail:
> Merchandise: $138.05
> Shipping: $20.00
> Order Total: $158.05
> Considering that well over half the order was containers and such, non-
> food taxible and I paid no tax, I'm okay. *My first order was about
> $58 and don't remember what the shipping was. *If you can get KA
> flours at your grocer and check the use-by dates, good on ya! *I am on
> the left side, and without KA products anywhere I have
> shopped....Picks


What did you get for the 138 dollars? Where will you store it all?
Thanks for any reply.
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"Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote in news:Xns9C9E5AB74CF6Bstuffit@
198.186.190.162 on Oct Thu 2009 08:54 am

> Do you like the collapsible colander?
>


Yes I like it. I never took the time to get the horkin huge colendar outa the cupboard and was forever
using my strainer to dump cooked veggies into. And the wire mesh strainer is a bitch to wash.

I hardly bothered with the metal colendar cause it isn't for sidedish veggies for 1 or 2 sized and why
use up that dishwasher space.

The new puppy will fit in a drawer on top of my measuring cups and can be rinse cleaned in moments.

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PickyJaz wrote:
> On Oct 7, 6:20 pm, TammyM > wrote:
>> Hi Picky: so you were ok with the shipping costs of the KA flour? I
>> confess, the frugal side of me balked at that, but it's been awhile, so
>> maybe I better have a look again. I seem to recall that I can get
>> several KA flours at the local market.

> Tammy, here is my second order total detail:
> Merchandise: $138.05
> Shipping: $20.00
> Order Total: $158.05
> Considering that well over half the order was containers and such, non-
> food taxible and I paid no tax, I'm okay. My first order was about
> $58 and don't remember what the shipping was. If you can get KA
> flours at your grocer and check the use-by dates, good on ya! I am on
> the left side, and without KA products anywhere I have
> shopped....Picks
>


Ahhh, gotcha. I, too, am on the Left side, if you mean Left Coast. I
bought KA flours at my local grocery store, but it's changed hands since
then so not sure if it's still available. I know KA flours are
available at TJs here, but I rarely go to TJs. Hey, still, it's
available, so I ain't complainin! I made a disappointing loaf of onion
bread this past weekend, so I am thinking maybe it's time to get back
into the KA game. It did make a difference, if I recall correctly!

What else have you baked in which you detected a big difference that you
feel is attributable to the fresh, high quality flour? Just curious!
I'm a bakin' fool these days.

TammyM, whose office is benefitting....
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> On Oct 7, 10:17 pm, PickyJaz > wrote:
>> On Oct 7, 6:20 pm, TammyM > wrote:> Hi Picky: so you were ok with the shipping costs of the KA flour? I
>>> confess, the frugal side of me balked at that, but it's been awhile, so
>>> maybe I better have a look again. I seem to recall that I can get
>>> several KA flours at the local market.

>> Tammy, here is my second order total detail:
>> Merchandise: $138.05
>> Shipping: $20.00
>> Order Total: $158.05
>> Considering that well over half the order was containers and such, non-
>> food taxible and I paid no tax, I'm okay. My first order was about
>> $58 and don't remember what the shipping was. If you can get KA
>> flours at your grocer and check the use-by dates, good on ya! I am on
>> the left side, and without KA products anywhere I have
>> shopped....Picks

>
> What did you get for the 138 dollars? Where will you store it all?
> Thanks for any reply.


Can't speak for Picks, but I store virtually all of my flour (and I
probably have about 15 or so different types that I use) in my freezer.
I keep small amounts of bread, all purpose and whole wheat in
containers on top of the freezer. I probably bake about 6 loaves of
bread a week these days, for my family, my neighbors and my office
mates. I don't eat a lot of bread, personally but love to make it for
others!

TammyM


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On Oct 8, 8:40*am, TammyM > wrote:
> PickyJaz wrote:
> > On Oct 7, 6:20 pm, TammyM > wrote:
> >> Hi Picky: *so you were ok with the shipping costs of the KA flour? *I
> >> confess, the frugal side of me balked at that, but it's been awhile, so
> >> maybe I better have a look again. *I seem to recall that I can get
> >> several KA flours at the local market.

> > Tammy, here is my second order total detail:
> > Merchandise: $138.05
> > Shipping: $20.00
> > Order Total: $158.05
> > Considering that well over half the order was containers and such, non-
> > food taxible and I paid no tax, I'm okay. *My first order was about
> > $58 and don't remember what the shipping was. *If you can get KA
> > flours at your grocer and check the use-by dates, good on ya! *I am on
> > the left side, and without KA products anywhere I have
> > shopped....Picks

>
> Ahhh, gotcha. *I, too, am on the Left side, if you mean Left Coast. *I
> bought KA flours at my local grocery store, but it's changed hands since
> then so not sure if it's still available. *I know KA flours are
> available at TJs here, but I rarely go to TJs. *Hey, still, it's
> available, so I ain't complainin! I made a disappointing loaf of onion
> bread this past weekend, so I am thinking maybe it's time to get back
> into the KA game. *It did make a difference, if I recall correctly!
>
> What else have you baked in which you detected a big difference that you
> feel is attributable to the fresh, high quality flour? *Just curious!
> I'm a bakin' fool these days.
>
> TammyM, whose office is benefitting....


tj's discontinued ka flour last spring and are now selling their own
brand, which they advertised in the "fearless flyer" at $2.99 per 5 lb
bag.
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> Today I finnaly bought a digital instant read thermometer and a
> collapsible silicon colandar. I really hated the storage space the metal
> collandar took up in a cupboard and also figured it was time to go
> digital with my instant read thermometer.
>
> Almost bought a specialized garlic crusher...looked kinda like a
> stainless steel toilet paper holder cylinder with a section of gear
> teeth in the middle. But figured the side of my cleaver works well
> enough.
>

I have a "thing" about colanders. I just love them, and use highly
decorative ones that I can hang up on the wall. They're not just there
for decoration, I use them! I have 4 right now, cos I just bought 2
more this past weekend: the original ones are red and green, the newbs
are tangerine and lime. I had to be straight-jacketed to not buy the
turquoise, pink and purple ones.

I also have more utilitarian colanders - I have a long-handled one I
bought 20 years ago at Smart and Final (or Fart and Schminal as I like
to call it), in addition to about 4 different small "strainers" that I
use for various purposes. OH YEAH, and also a small "berry colander" a
dear friend who indulges my obsession gave me - I hang it on the wall
above the kitchen sink and use it a LOT for draining cans of things, etc.

TammyM, not looking for a 12-step colander program
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Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> I don't know if it's common, but the 8 outlets in our 3 year old kitchen
> are divided among four separate 20 amp circuits. The over-the-range
> microwave is on its own dedicated circuit, as is the refrigerator and the
> freezer that's in the pantry. It's easy for me to operate several high
> wattage appliaces simultaneously. I have never tripped a breaker.


A strict reading of the NEC would call for dedicated circuits for
the microwave, refrigerator and freezer, so that's "normal" for
reasonably new construction. Last I looked they only required
2 counter circuits, but it's really cheap and easy to add a couple
extra if you are installing in new construction or a major remodel,
so worth doing with the number of counter appliances available
these days. You are unlikely to trip breakers unless you insist
on using 2 or more heavy current appliances on the same circuit
at the same time. Somebody did a good job adding those extra circuits.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.
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On Oct 7, 7:17*pm, PickyJaz > wrote:
> On Oct 7, 6:20*pm, TammyM > wrote:> Hi Picky: *so you were ok with the shipping costs of the KA flour? *I
> > confess, the frugal side of me balked at that, but it's been awhile, so
> > maybe I better have a look again. *I seem to recall that I can get
> > several KA flours at the local market.

>
> Tammy, here is my second order total detail:
> Merchandise: $138.05
> Shipping: $20.00
> Order Total: $158.05
> Considering that well over half the order was containers and such, non-
> food taxible and I paid no tax, I'm okay. *My first order was about
> $58 and don't remember what the shipping was. *If you can get KA
> flours at your grocer and check the use-by dates, good on ya! *I am on
> the left side, and without KA products anywhere I have
> shopped....Picks


I live in the southern part of the San Francisco Bay Area and King
Arthur flour is sold in every grocery store I use. Haven't checked in
the Chinese grocers....

Susan B.
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On Oct 7, 4:02*pm, hahabogus > wrote:
But figured the side of my cleaver works well
> enough.
>

Replaced my Chinese cleaver since it looked like the handle was about
to break off.

John Kane Kingston ON Canada


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On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:45:33 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

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>,
> PickyJaz > wrote:
>
>> On Oct 7, 6:20*pm, TammyM > wrote:
>> > Hi Picky: *so you were ok with the shipping costs of the KA flour? *I
>> > confess, the frugal side of me balked at that, but it's been awhile, so
>> > maybe I better have a look again. *I seem to recall that I can get
>> > several KA flours at the local market.

>> Tammy, here is my second order total detail:
>> Merchandise: $138.05
>> Shipping: $20.00
>> Order Total: $158.05
>> Considering that well over half the order was containers and such, non-
>> food taxible and I paid no tax, I'm okay. My first order was about
>> $58 and don't remember what the shipping was. If you can get KA
>> flours at your grocer and check the use-by dates, good on ya! I am on
>> the left side, and without KA products anywhere I have
>> shopped....Picks

>
>Tammy and I are on the left side (of the US). I'm thinking Trader Joes?


I live on the left coast also. Along with TJ's I can get KA products
at Albertson's.

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On Oct 8, 6:45*pm, koko > wrote:
> >Tammy and I are on the left side (of the US). *I'm thinking Trader Joes?

>
> I live on the left coast also. Along with TJ's I can get KA products
> at Albertson's.

Thanks for mention, Koko. Closest TJ's is an hour away (Palm Springs
area) and I do plan trips there every few months or so. I'll be on
the lookout for KA Flours there, which I hadn't considered before
reading you.
....Picky
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> On Oct 8, 6:45 pm, koko > wrote:
>>> Tammy and I are on the left side (of the US). I'm thinking Trader
>>> Joes?

>>
>> I live on the left coast also. Along with TJ's I can get KA products
>> at Albertson's.

> Thanks for mention, Koko. Closest TJ's is an hour away (Palm Springs
> area) and I do plan trips there every few months or so. I'll be on
> the lookout for KA Flours there, which I hadn't considered before
> reading you.


If you put your zip code into the kingarthurflour website search,
you can find stores near you that sell their products ... unfortunately,
they don't say which products.

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On Oct 8, 6:26*am, Kalmia > wrote:
> What did you get for the 138 dollars? *Where will you store it all?
> Thanks for any reply.

My order included a surprise $5.00 off next purchase and another
surprise item is a photo recipe card for butter pecan cookies that
has a tear off side to use by 11/30/09 for 10% off a next order. My
original order (and first) was just four different flours to try. My
last (second) order was the biggie. With the over $70 in storage
items included, I bought 2 10-lb. bags of AP White, 3 different Lorann
Flavors/Oils, and 1 Bakewell Cream Baking Powder & Acrylic Canister
Set. I ordered far more than I may have purchased local throughout
the year, being sure to have all I need for the mountain of Christmas
baking planned. The storage containers are actually made for bread
dough risings, but they are also a perfect size and shape for my
limited "pantry" area, which is one shelf about 4' long in my hallway
said-to-be linen closet.

I dream of a walk-in pantry, along with a kitchen far bigger than the
dinky, one-butt cooking and prep area I have now. My kitchen floor
space measures less that 4' by about 7', but being the only cook ever
in it, we do okay....Picks
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On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:25:34 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:

>I'm guessing that small appliances can have more watts in other
>countries, because they have 220volt lines. Hopefully you aren't
>running this kettle on a 15 amp line, although if you are, you've
>probably been making trips out to your breaker box, especially if there
>is anything else on the circuit.


I really don't understand why USA still runs on 110V. I still remember
the electricity company adapting our small appliances for free when
France went all 220V in the early 70s, when I was a kid! And when I
look at appliances in the USA today, I wince.

Nathalie in Switzerland


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> I really don't understand why USA still runs on 110V. I still remember
> the electricity company adapting our small appliances for free when
> France went all 220V in the early 70s, when I was a kid! And when I
> look at appliances in the USA today, I wince.


Probably has something to do with increased rate structures. US don't
do nothing that isn't profit driven.

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> I really don't understand why USA still runs on 110V. I still remember
> the electricity company adapting our small appliances for free when
> France went all 220V in the early 70s, when I was a kid! And when I
> look at appliances in the USA today, I wince.
>
> Nathalie in Switzerland


I cannot imagine the chaos that a change lf that magnitude would cause, not
to mention the cost. Few people would see the real advantage, everyone
would see the problems of change. I won't happen.


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>On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:25:34 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
>>I'm guessing that small appliances can have more watts in other
>>countries, because they have 220volt lines. Hopefully you aren't
>>running this kettle on a 15 amp line, although if you are, you've
>>probably been making trips out to your breaker box, especially if there
>>is anything else on the circuit.

>
>I really don't understand why USA still runs on 110V. I still remember
>the electricity company adapting our small appliances for free when
>France went all 220V in the early 70s, when I was a kid! And when I
>look at appliances in the USA today, I wince.
>
>Nathalie in Switzerland


Actually, many homes in the US have 220 volt service. We have three
wire service to our house. Two "hot" wires and a ground. Either wire
to ground is 110 volts, and wire to wire is 220 volts. Most of the
house is on 110 (wall sockets, lights and kitchen appliances), but 220
is for our A/C and furnace. The advantage of 220 is reduced current
to appliances, but all our lights and appliances would have to be made
for 220 volts. For us to try change over now would probably cause
another revolutionary war.

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> On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:25:34 -0700, Dan Abel > wrote:
>
>>I'm guessing that small appliances can have more watts in other
>>countries, because they have 220volt lines. Hopefully you aren't
>>running this kettle on a 15 amp line, although if you are, you've
>>probably been making trips out to your breaker box, especially if there
>>is anything else on the circuit.

>
> I really don't understand why USA still runs on 110V. I still remember
> the electricity company adapting our small appliances for free when
> France went all 220V in the early 70s, when I was a kid! And when I
> look at appliances in the USA today, I wince.
>
> Nathalie in Switzerland


You think you winced. When the SBF and I move to Europe to retire, we will
have to buy all new appliances!

On the other hand, I am finally looking forward to replacing my 5 quart KA.
I have tried to kill it for years making rye bread for the SBF. All I can do
is to make it smoke. At least I won't have to buy a new coffeemaker. Long
ago I switched to a 32 oz presse.

When she was working in Copenhagen last year, she had this most amazing
Siemens range. Electric hobs and an oven that could simultaneously bake,
convection, and microwave. Great cooking in a fraction of the time. Will
surely try to buy one there, since I have never seen one here.

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The advantage of 220 is reduced current
> to appliances, but all our lights and appliances would have to be made for
> 220 volts. >
> Ron Kelley


For ordinary lights and lamps you just change the plug and use a bulb with a
slightly heavier filament.




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"Giusi" > wrote:

> "Ron"
>
> The advantage of 220 is reduced current
> > to appliances, but all our lights and appliances would have to be made for
> > 220 volts. >
> > Ron Kelley

>
> For ordinary lights and lamps you just change the plug and use a bulb with a
> slightly heavier filament.


I'm not so sure. It certainly works the other way. If your house
wiring, receptacles, light switches, sockets and fixtures are rated for
220 volts, they will work fine on 110. If your house wiring,
receptacles, light switches, sockets and fixtures are rated for 110,
then they aren't rated for 220. The bulb and the plug will work fine,
but in my mind, the rest is questionable.

We have an electrician who reads this group. Perhaps she could chime in.

--
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Petaluma, California USA

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Dan Abel > wrote:

>I'm not so sure. It certainly works the other way. If your house
>wiring, receptacles, light switches, sockets and fixtures are rated for
>220 volts, they will work fine on 110. If your house wiring,
>receptacles, light switches, sockets and fixtures are rated for 110,
>then they aren't rated for 220. The bulb and the plug will work fine,
>but in my mind, the rest is questionable.


Here's an anecdote. We have a laptop whose power cable has a
three-prong, standard American power plug on it. It runs
off either 120V or 240V, 50 or 60 Hz. So when traveling,
it can be plugged into a European circuit -- with the appropriate
adaptor.

The appropriate adaptors often only accept a two-pronged plug,
so we also need a "cheater" -- the gizmo that lets you plug
a 3-prong plug into a 2-prong outlet, such as many Americans
have on say their refirgerator. So we once had such a cheater,
that was rated at only 120V, and were using it to plug the
laptop into a 240V circuit.

It smoked.

Everything else was rated for 240, including the laptop cable
itself. It would have been safer to just cut the third prong off...

To this day I haven't been able to find a 240-Volt rate, American-plug
cheater.


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Ron wrote:
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> Actually, many homes in the US have 220 volt service. We have three
> wire service to our house. Two "hot" wires and a ground. Either wire
> to ground is 110 volts, and wire to wire is 220 volts. Most of the
> house is on 110 (wall sockets, lights and kitchen appliances), but 220
> is for our A/C and furnace. The advantage of 220 is reduced current
> to appliances, but all our lights and appliances would have to be made
> for 220 volts. For us to try change over now would probably cause
> another revolutionary war.
>
> Ron Kelley


As far as I know, most if not all homes in this country use this three
wire system. This means your home is divided into 2 separate circuits
and an additional 220V circuit. The home is wired so that the two sides
of the circuits (hopefully) will get equal usage. My guess is that the
220V system is simpler because it uses 2 wires and there's no need to
balance the power consumption of the two sides of the lines.

My guess is that the 220V line presents a lot greater chance of
accidental death by electrocution than a 110 line. 220V is scary! The
220 power circuits also use a different frequency AC - 50 Hz vs our 60
Hz. This means that appliances that used the line frequency to operate
correctly i.e., electric clocks, TVs and the synchronous motors in
washers and dryers would work at a reduced speed or not at all even if
the voltage is reduced to 110V.

I think you're right about the US changing over - that would be
difficult. OTOH, let the Europeans and the rest of the world have their
220 volts and 50 Hz speeds. We're doing just fine. :-)

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Steve Pope wrote:
> Dan Abel > wrote:
>
>> I'm not so sure. It certainly works the other way. If your house
>> wiring, receptacles, light switches, sockets and fixtures are rated for
>> 220 volts, they will work fine on 110. If your house wiring,
>> receptacles, light switches, sockets and fixtures are rated for 110,
>> then they aren't rated for 220. The bulb and the plug will work fine,
>> but in my mind, the rest is questionable.

>
> Here's an anecdote. We have a laptop whose power cable has a
> three-prong, standard American power plug on it. It runs
> off either 120V or 240V, 50 or 60 Hz. So when traveling,
> it can be plugged into a European circuit -- with the appropriate
> adaptor.
>
> The appropriate adaptors often only accept a two-pronged plug,
> so we also need a "cheater" -- the gizmo that lets you plug
> a 3-prong plug into a 2-prong outlet, such as many Americans
> have on say their refirgerator. So we once had such a cheater,
> that was rated at only 120V, and were using it to plug the
> laptop into a 240V circuit.
>
> It smoked.
>
> Everything else was rated for 240, including the laptop cable
> itself. It would have been safer to just cut the third prong off...
>
> To this day I haven't been able to find a 240-Volt rate, American-plug
> cheater.


If you look at the specifications of our power system you will see
voltage figures ranging from 110V to 120V. This means there's a built-in
leeway for our system, which is really 115V plus or minus 5V. Our
electric company pretty much keeps it dead-on 115 volts. The also keep
the frequency pretty much dead-on 60Hz average. They actually have a
counter that keeps track of the number of cycles during a 24 hour period
and will speed up or slow the cycles at night to keep the electric
clocks on time. Well, at least, that's what I was told.

My guess is that a 220V system is really a 230V system give or take 10V.


>
>
> Steve

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>As far as I know, most if not all homes in this country use this three
>wire system.


Not all; when we bought out house, it was all on a single, 30-amp,
110 (or 115 or 120 if you prefer) volt circuit. We upgraded it,
but lots of old houses have never been upgraded.

>My guess is that the 220V line presents a lot greater chance of
>accidental death by electrocution than a 110 line. 220V is scary!


I see no evidence that household electricity is less safe in, say,
the U.K. than in the U.S. But the tea kettles sure heat water
faster.

Steve
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