Hi all. I was recently in Boston with five friends on vacation. We drove
to Boston from Philadelphia. We had two suites at the Double Tree hotel
on Soldiers Field Road across the Charles River from Cambridge. Its a
great hotel in a nice area.

I am an early riser. My friends like to sleep late. One morning, I took
a walk to Harvard Square while my friends were all sound asleep. I have
been to that area many times, so I knew there was a gourmet food store
right near the Coop (Harvard's bookstore). This food store sells a nice
selection of staples from France and England, but mostly England. The
name of the store escapes me.

Anyway, I go to the condiments section and they have several British
Heinz products such as salad cream, but no British Heinz Ketchup, which
is what I wanted to buy. The owner of the store saw me looking around
and he asked me if I needed help.

There was only one or two other people shopping there at the time, so we
got to talking and I asked him why now British Heinz Ketchup there. I
told him I bought a bottle there a few years ago. His response surprised
me. He said the FDA banned it from being sold in the United States two
or three years ago. He had no idea why. He said he will not sell
anything that the FDA has banned, so he doesn't stock the British Heinz
Ketchup any more.

So? Does anyone on this newsgroup care to speculate, or do you know, why
the Food and Drug Administration would ban British Heinz Ketchup from
being sold in the United States?

"Stan Horwitz" > wrote in message
>
> There was only one or two other people shopping there at the time, so we
> got to talking and I asked him why now British Heinz Ketchup there. I
> told him I bought a bottle there a few years ago. His response surprised
> me. He said the FDA banned it from being sold in the United States two
> or three years ago. He had no idea why. He said he will not sell
> anything that the FDA has banned, so he doesn't stock the British Heinz
> Ketchup any more.
>
> So? Does anyone on this newsgroup care to speculate, or do you know, why
> the Food and Drug Administration would ban British Heinz Ketchup from
> being sold in the United States?

Could be some ingredient added that is banned here, such as an artificial
color or flavoring.

I've seen it here in the past but have not looked for it in particular. We
have a store in town with British imports so I'll have to take a peek.

"Stan Horwitz" wrote:
>
> Does anyone on this newsgroup care to speculate, or do you know, why
> the Food and Drug Administration would ban British Heinz Ketchup from
> being sold in the United States?

I remember hearing a warning on the news some time ago that in the UK they
use malt vinegar which is not gluten free... could be why but I don't know.

Also the Heinz ketchup label will be changed:
http://www.euroinvestor.co.uk/News/S...090116005 716

Stan Horwitz wrote:
> Hi all. I was recently in Boston with five friends on vacation. We drove
> to Boston from Philadelphia. We had two suites at the Double Tree hotel
> on Soldiers Field Road across the Charles River from Cambridge. Its a
> great hotel in a nice area.
>
> I am an early riser. My friends like to sleep late. One morning, I took
> a walk to Harvard Square while my friends were all sound asleep. I have
> been to that area many times, so I knew there was a gourmet food store
> right near the Coop (Harvard's bookstore). This food store sells a nice
> selection of staples from France and England, but mostly England. The
> name of the store escapes me.
>

Cardullos
http://www.cardullos.com/

I haven't been there in a long time. I am planning a visit to Harvard
Square soon, so thanks for hte reminder.


> Anyway, I go to the condiments section and they have several British
> Heinz products such as salad cream, but no British Heinz Ketchup, which
> is what I wanted to buy. The owner of the store saw me looking around
> and he asked me if I needed help.
>
> There was only one or two other people shopping there at the time, so we
> got to talking and I asked him why now British Heinz Ketchup there. I
> told him I bought a bottle there a few years ago. His response surprised
> me. He said the FDA banned it from being sold in the United States two
> or three years ago. He had no idea why. He said he will not sell
> anything that the FDA has banned, so he doesn't stock the British Heinz
> Ketchup any more.
>
> So? Does anyone on this newsgroup care to speculate, or do you know, why
> the Food and Drug Administration would ban British Heinz Ketchup from
> being sold in the United States?

No idea. A couple of my local groceries have small UK food sections.
I'll have to take a look.

Tracy

On Mar 2, 7:16*am, Stan Horwitz > wrote:

> So? Does anyone on this newsgroup care to speculate, or do you know, why
> the Food and Drug Administration would ban British Heinz Ketchup from
> being sold in the United States?

If I had to guess (and it would be purely a guess), I'd say that the
British
formulation doesn't conform to the FDA definition of "ketchup". It
would
have to be labeled "imitation ketchup" to be sold here.

I poked around the web a bit and couldn't easily find the ingredients
for
British Heinz. But I did find a scare in 2003 over contamination of
Heinz ketchup overseas.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton said...

> On Mar 2, 7:16*am, Stan Horwitz > wrote:
>
>> So? Does anyone on this newsgroup care to speculate, or do you know, why
>> the Food and Drug Administration would ban British Heinz Ketchup from
>> being sold in the United States?
>
> If I had to guess (and it would be purely a guess), I'd say that the
> British
> formulation doesn't conform to the FDA definition of "ketchup". It
> would
> have to be labeled "imitation ketchup" to be sold here.
>
> I poked around the web a bit and couldn't easily find the ingredients
> for
> British Heinz. But I did find a scare in 2003 over contamination of
> Heinz ketchup overseas.
>
> Cindy Hamilton


A throwback to the American Revolution.

UK Heinz ketchup has tea in it!

!!! JUST KIDDING !!!

Andy

On Mar 2, 7:16*am, Stan Horwitz > wrote:

> So? Does anyone on this newsgroup care to speculate, or do you know, why
> the Food and Drug Administration would ban British Heinz Ketchup from
> being sold in the United States?

Stupidity? Protectionist twaddle in a "free market"?

Remember the to-do over Canadian online pharmacies and how patented
drugs made in Canada by the same parent company as the US could
somehow be inferior. Bullshit.

Can you buy Canadian Heinz ketchup? Probably not either.

wrote:
> On Mar 2, 7:16 am, Stan Horwitz > wrote:
>
>> So? Does anyone on this newsgroup care to speculate, or do you know, why
>> the Food and Drug Administration would ban British Heinz Ketchup from
>> being sold in the United States?
>
> Stupidity? Protectionist twaddle in a "free market"?
>
> Remember the to-do over Canadian online pharmacies and how patented
> drugs made in Canada by the same parent company as the US could
> somehow be inferior. Bullshit.
>
> Can you buy Canadian Heinz ketchup? Probably not either.

Yes, to Canadian. I went down to look at what I thought was from
the UK, and it was from Canada. I have spent too much time trying
to look into the issue. My amusing thought was that the US
HFCS-laden Heinz might not compete so well with the Heinz products
from Canada and England, which actually contain sugar!

--
Jean B.

"Stan Horwitz" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all. I was recently in Boston with five friends on vacation. We drove
> to Boston from Philadelphia. We had two suites at the Double Tree hotel
> on Soldiers Field Road across the Charles River from Cambridge. Its a
> great hotel in a nice area.
>
> I am an early riser. My friends like to sleep late. One morning, I took
> a walk to Harvard Square while my friends were all sound asleep. I have
> been to that area many times, so I knew there was a gourmet food store
> right near the Coop (Harvard's bookstore). This food store sells a nice
> selection of staples from France and England, but mostly England. The
> name of the store escapes me.
>
> Anyway, I go to the condiments section and they have several British
> Heinz products such as salad cream, but no British Heinz Ketchup, which
> is what I wanted to buy. The owner of the store saw me looking around
> and he asked me if I needed help.
>
> There was only one or two other people shopping there at the time, so we
> got to talking and I asked him why now British Heinz Ketchup there. I
> told him I bought a bottle there a few years ago. His response surprised
> me.

Do you trust his answer?????

Maybe he was pulling your bottle!

Dimitri

On Mon, 02 Mar 2009 13:37:20 -0600, Andy wrote:

> Cindy Hamilton said...
>
>> On Mar 2, 7:16Â*am, Stan Horwitz > wrote:
>>
>>> So? Does anyone on this newsgroup care to speculate, or do you know,
>>> why the Food and Drug Administration would ban British Heinz Ketchup
>>> from being sold in the United States?
>>
>> If I had to guess (and it would be purely a guess), I'd say that the
>> British
>> formulation doesn't conform to the FDA definition of "ketchup". It
>> would
>> have to be labeled "imitation ketchup" to be sold here.
>>
>> I poked around the web a bit and couldn't easily find the ingredients
>> for
>> British Heinz. But I did find a scare in 2003 over contamination of
>> Heinz ketchup overseas.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>
> A throwback to the American Revolution.
>
> UK Heinz ketchup has tea in it!
>
> !!! JUST KIDDING !!!
>
> Andy

Just revenge for the European ban on the USA hormone laden beef ??
Like the ban on French Roquefort cheese. The last act of your godbless mr.
Bush.

--
Groet, salut, Wim.

"Jean B." > wrote in :

> My amusing thought was that the US
> HFCS-laden Heinz might not compete so well with the Heinz products
> from Canada and England, which actually contain sugar!

And Cuban sugar, no less.

--

Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

Michel Boucher wrote:
> "Jean B." > wrote in :
>
>> My amusing thought was that the US
>> HFCS-laden Heinz might not compete so well with the Heinz products
>> from Canada and England, which actually contain sugar!
>
> And Cuban sugar, no less.
>
Interesting.

--
Jean B.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "Stan Horwitz" > wrote in message
> >
> > There was only one or two other people shopping there at the time, so we
> > got to talking and I asked him why now British Heinz Ketchup there. I
> > told him I bought a bottle there a few years ago. His response surprised
> > me. He said the FDA banned it from being sold in the United States two
> > or three years ago. He had no idea why. He said he will not sell
> > anything that the FDA has banned, so he doesn't stock the British Heinz
> > Ketchup any more.
> >
> > So? Does anyone on this newsgroup care to speculate, or do you know, why
> > the Food and Drug Administration would ban British Heinz Ketchup from
> > being sold in the United States?
>
> Could be some ingredient added that is banned here, such as an artificial
> color or flavoring.
>
> I've seen it here in the past but have not looked for it in particular. We
> have a store in town with British imports so I'll have to take a peek.


Don't have a label to read ingredients from but here is what Heinz UK
says is in their ketchup:

Food stuff
We pack an amazing 126g of ripe, fresh tomatoes
into every 100g of your favourite Tomato Ketchup
which makes it taste great and means it's a
source of the powerful antioxidant lycopene. We
also make it free from artificial colours, flavours,
preservatives and GM ingredients and it's
delicious on just about anything.

(from their Webpage:
http://www.heinz.com/our-food/products/ketchup.aspx)

This site
(http://www.waitrose.com/food/celebri...s/0008084.aspx)
says: Thankfully, Heinz's was of a different quality altogether, made
from fresh tomatoes (about 1kg go into a standard 340g bottle), sugar,
vinegar and a secret spice blend, which includes - it has been suggested
- cinnamon, cloves, mace, cayenne pepper, and allspice.

The US version seems to contain:

Tomatoes (126g per 100g of ketchup), Spirit vinegar, Glucose syrup,
Sugar, Salt, Spices and herb extracts, Spice, Garlic powder.

From several sites, nothing on the Heinz site.

In article >,
"Michael \"Dog3\"" > wrote:

> "brooklyn1" >
> : in rec.food.cooking
>
> > "Stan Horwitz" wrote:
> >>
> >> Does anyone on this newsgroup care to speculate, or do you know, why
> >> the Food and Drug Administration would ban British Heinz Ketchup from
> >> being sold in the United States?
> >
> > I remember hearing a warning on the news some time ago that in the UK
> > they use malt vinegar which is not gluten free... could be why but I
> > don't know.
> >
> > Also the Heinz ketchup label will be changed:
> > http://www.euroinvestor.co.uk/News/S...ryID=10115446&
> > BW=20090116005716
>
> I doubt this would have anything to do with it but I heard or read
> something about the sodium content as well. I don't have time to
> research it this morning. Maybe Stan can try to Google it from that
> angle as well.

Thanks everyone for your ideas, and that youtube video. Actually, I just
got the idea to contact Heinz to ask about this situation. Maybe that
store manage was pulling my leg, but he sure seemed serious. If I get a
response to my inquiry from Heinz, I will post it here.

"Jean B." wrote:
>
> Michel Boucher wrote:
> > "Jean B." > wrote in :
> >
> >> My amusing thought was that the US
> >> HFCS-laden Heinz might not compete so well with the Heinz products
> >> from Canada and England, which actually contain sugar!
> >
> > And Cuban sugar, no less.
> >
> Interesting.
>
> --
> Jean B.

If it does contain Cuban sugar, that would be enough grounds for barring
entry into the US. There is still supposed to be a trade embargo on
Cuban products.

"Arri London" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Jean B." wrote:
>>
>> Michel Boucher wrote:
>> > "Jean B." > wrote in
>> > :
>> >
>> >> My amusing thought was that the US
>> >> HFCS-laden Heinz might not compete so well with the Heinz products
>> >> from Canada and England, which actually contain sugar!
>> >
>> > And Cuban sugar, no less.
>> >
>> Interesting.
>>
>> --
>> Jean B.
>
> If it does contain Cuban sugar, that would be enough grounds for barring
> entry into the US. There is still supposed to be a trade embargo on
> Cuban products.

That may be but I doubt that would be a USDA issue as was originally stated.

Arri London > wrote in :

> If it does contain Cuban sugar, that would be enough grounds for barring
> entry into the US. There is still supposed to be a trade embargo on
> Cuban products.

What do you mean "if"?

--

Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

Stan Horwitz > wrote:

> So? Does anyone on this newsgroup care to speculate, or do you know, why
> the Food and Drug Administration would ban British Heinz Ketchup from
> being sold in the United States?

I thought you had a hotline # direct to Teresa Heinz Kerry?

-sw

Arri London wrote:
>
> "Jean B." wrote:
>> Michel Boucher wrote:
>>> "Jean B." > wrote in :
>>>
>>>> My amusing thought was that the US
>>>> HFCS-laden Heinz might not compete so well with the Heinz products
>>>> from Canada and England, which actually contain sugar!
>>> And Cuban sugar, no less.
>>>
>> Interesting.
>>
>> --
>> Jean B.
>
> If it does contain Cuban sugar, that would be enough grounds for barring
> entry into the US. There is still supposed to be a trade embargo on
> Cuban products.

One CAN get the ketchup from Canada.

--
Jean B.

Jean B. said...

> Arri London wrote:
>>
>> "Jean B." wrote:
>>> Michel Boucher wrote:
>>>> "Jean B." > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> My amusing thought was that the US
>>>>> HFCS-laden Heinz might not compete so well with the Heinz products
>>>>> from Canada and England, which actually contain sugar!
>>>> And Cuban sugar, no less.
>>>>
>>> Interesting.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jean B.
>>
>> If it does contain Cuban sugar, that would be enough grounds for
>> barring entry into the US. There is still supposed to be a trade
>> embargo on Cuban products.
>
> One CAN get the ketchup from Canada.


Who cares about foreign Heinz ketchup???

It won't taste different. It's the cheapest condiment on earth!

Ridiculous!!!

Hello???

Andy

Andy wrote:
> Jean B. said...
>
>> Arri London wrote:
>>> "Jean B." wrote:
>>>> Michel Boucher wrote:
>>>>> "Jean B." > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> My amusing thought was that the US
>>>>>> HFCS-laden Heinz might not compete so well with the Heinz products
>>>>>> from Canada and England, which actually contain sugar!
>>>>> And Cuban sugar, no less.
>>>>>
>>>> Interesting.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jean B.
>>> If it does contain Cuban sugar, that would be enough grounds for
>>> barring entry into the US. There is still supposed to be a trade
>>> embargo on Cuban products.
>> One CAN get the ketchup from Canada.
>
>
> Who cares about foreign Heinz ketchup???
>
> It won't taste different. It's the cheapest condiment on earth!
>
> Ridiculous!!!
>
> Hello???
>
> Andy

I care. Foreign Heinz ketchup contains sugar as vs HFCS. Also,
the organic Heinz is imported.

--
Jean B.

Andy wrote on Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:15:08 -0600:

>> Arri London wrote:
>>>
>>> "Jean B." wrote:
>>>> Michel Boucher wrote:
>>>>> "Jean B." > wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>> My amusing thought was that the US
>>>>>> HFCS-laden Heinz might not compete so well with the Heinz
>>>>>> products from Canada and England, which actually contain
>>>>>> sugar!
>>>>> And Cuban sugar, no less.
>>>>>
>>>> Interesting.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jean B.
>>>
>>> If it does contain Cuban sugar, that would be enough grounds
>>> for barring entry into the US. There is still supposed to be
>>> a trade embargo on Cuban products.
>>
>> One CAN get the ketchup from Canada.

> Who cares about foreign Heinz ketchup???

> It won't taste different. It's the cheapest condiment on
> earth!

> Ridiculous!!!

Cheapest condiment? How about salt, vinegar etc.? Banning the import of
foods containing Cuban sugar is not really ridiculous since it is an
easy way to get votes in Florida and no-one else seems to care much

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Jean B. said...

> Andy wrote:

>> Who cares about foreign Heinz ketchup???
>>
>> It won't taste different. It's the cheapest condiment on earth!
>>
>> Ridiculous!!!
>>
>> Hello???
>>
>> Andy
>
> I care. Foreign Heinz ketchup contains sugar as vs HFCS. Also,
> the organic Heinz is imported.


Jean B,

I bought organic Heinz at the supermarket once. No difference other than
price.

I'm with you about anti-HFCS but what are we putting ketchup on that isn't
probably worse?

Debating UK vs. US Heinz ketchup just seems a tad absurd, imho.

And so... rfc marches on.

Best,

Andy

Arri wrote on Wed, 04 Mar 2009 08:50:24 -0700:


> Michel Boucher wrote:
>>
>> Arri London > wrote in
>> :
>>
> >> If it does contain Cuban sugar, that would be enough
> >> grounds for barring entry into the US. There is still
> >> supposed to be a trade embargo on Cuban products.
>>
>> What do you mean "if"?
>>
>Is the origin of the sugar in the ketchup documented as being Cuban?
>Sugar grows in a lot of places; it was easy enough to buy supermarket
>sugar in London that came from many different countries.

Was the plant that produced the sugar mentioned in London? Sugar cane
does not grow in Northern Europe but sugar beets flourish. The sugar
from either source is chemically identical.
--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Michel Boucher wrote:
>
> Arri London > wrote in :
>
> > If it does contain Cuban sugar, that would be enough grounds for barring
> > entry into the US. There is still supposed to be a trade embargo on
> > Cuban products.
>
> What do you mean "if"?
>
> --
>

Is the origin of the sugar in the ketchup documented as being Cuban?
Sugar grows in a lot of places; it was easy enough to buy supermarket
sugar in London that came from many different countries.

"James Silverton" > wrote in message
...
> Andy wrote on Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:15:08 -0600:
>
>>> Arri London wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Jean B." wrote:
>>>>> Michel Boucher wrote:
>>>>>> "Jean B." > wrote in
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My amusing thought was that the US
>>>>>>> HFCS-laden Heinz might not compete so well with the Heinz
>>>>>>> products from Canada and England, which actually contain
>>>>>>> sugar!
>>>>>> And Cuban sugar, no less.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jean B.
>>>>
>>>> If it does contain Cuban sugar, that would be enough grounds
>>>> for barring entry into the US. There is still supposed to be
>>>> a trade embargo on Cuban products.
>>>
>>> One CAN get the ketchup from Canada.
>
>> Who cares about foreign Heinz ketchup???
>
>> It won't taste different. It's the cheapest condiment on
>> earth!
>
>> Ridiculous!!!
>
> Cheapest condiment? How about salt, vinegar etc.

Salt is not a condiment. Individual spices (black pepper) are not
condiments either, only a blend is a condiment; ie. garlic salt, chili
powder.

> Banning the import of foods containing Cuban sugar is not really
> ridiculous


What's ridiculous is thinking there's a way of knowing with any degree of
certainty from which geographical location a particular sugar originated..
especially once it's blended into a recipe.

In article >,
"Jean B." > wrote:


> I care. Foreign Heinz ketchup contains sugar as vs HFCS. Also,
> the organic Heinz is imported.

I didn't have any luck finding the ingredients. Heinz assured me that
they were the finest and the purist. Thanks, but what are they?

In:

>

Arri posted that the US version contains glucose syrup, but not HFCS.
The sugar "glucose" is present in many different foods, as well as being
a *very* important sugar in our body. However, corn syrup is a type of
glucose syrup, and is what HFCS is made from. So, depending on why a
person thinks that HFCS is more evil than sucrose, that will help decide
whether they might prefer sucrose over glucose syrup.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:32:21 GMT, James Silverton wrote:

> Andy wrote on Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:15:08 -0600:
>
>>> Arri London wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Jean B." wrote:
>>>>> Michel Boucher wrote:
>>>>>> "Jean B." > wrote in
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My amusing thought was that the US
>>>>>>> HFCS-laden Heinz might not compete so well with the Heinz
>>>>>>> products from Canada and England, which actually contain
>>>>>>> sugar!
>>>>>> And Cuban sugar, no less.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jean B.
>>>>
>>>> If it does contain Cuban sugar, that would be enough grounds
>>>> for barring entry into the US. There is still supposed to be
>>>> a trade embargo on Cuban products.
>>>
>>> One CAN get the ketchup from Canada.
>
>> Who cares about foreign Heinz ketchup???
>
>> It won't taste different. It's the cheapest condiment on
>> earth!
>
>> Ridiculous!!!
>
> Cheapest condiment? How about salt, vinegar etc.? Banning the import of
> foods containing Cuban sugar is not really ridiculous since it is an
> easy way to get votes in Florida and no-one else seems to care much

i could be wrong, but i doubt the ban on 'cuban products' goes down to the
ingredient level. even insanity has its limits.

your pal,
blake

"Jean B." wrote:
>
> Andy wrote:
> > Jean B. said...
> >
> >> Arri London wrote:
> >>> "Jean B." wrote:
> >>>> Michel Boucher wrote:
> >>>>> "Jean B." > wrote in
> >>>>> :
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> My amusing thought was that the US
> >>>>>> HFCS-laden Heinz might not compete so well with the Heinz products
> >>>>>> from Canada and England, which actually contain sugar!
> >>>>> And Cuban sugar, no less.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Interesting.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Jean B.
> >>> If it does contain Cuban sugar, that would be enough grounds for
> >>> barring entry into the US. There is still supposed to be a trade
> >>> embargo on Cuban products.
> >> One CAN get the ketchup from Canada.
> >
> >
> > Who cares about foreign Heinz ketchup???
> >
> > It won't taste different. It's the cheapest condiment on earth!
> >
> > Ridiculous!!!
> >
> > Hello???
> >
> > Andy
>
> I care. Foreign Heinz ketchup contains sugar as vs HFCS. Also,
> the organic Heinz is imported.
>
> --
> Jean B.

Foreign ketchup contains sugar, domestic ketchup contains sugar. Both
Fructose and Sucrose *are* sugars. If you're going to be a sugar bigot,
try to get your terminology correct.

"Gregory Morrow" > wrote in message
news
>
> brooklyn1 wrote:
>
>> "James Silverton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Andy wrote on Wed, 04 Mar 2009 09:15:08 -0600:
>> >
>> >>> Arri London wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Jean B." wrote:
>> >>>>> Michel Boucher wrote:
>> >>>>>> "Jean B." > wrote in
>> >>>>>> :
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> My amusing thought was that the US
>> >>>>>>> HFCS-laden Heinz might not compete so well with the Heinz
>> >>>>>>> products from Canada and England, which actually contain
>> >>>>>>> sugar!
>> >>>>>> And Cuban sugar, no less.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> Interesting.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>> Jean B.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If it does contain Cuban sugar, that would be enough grounds
>> >>>> for barring entry into the US. There is still supposed to be
>> >>>> a trade embargo on Cuban products.
>> >>>
>> >>> One CAN get the ketchup from Canada.
>> >
>> >> Who cares about foreign Heinz ketchup???
>> >
>> >> It won't taste different. It's the cheapest condiment on
>> >> earth!
>> >
>> >> Ridiculous!!!
>> >
>> > Cheapest condiment? How about salt, vinegar etc.
>>
>> Salt is not a condiment. Individual spices (black pepper) are not
>> condiments either, only a blend is a condiment; ie. garlic salt, chili
>> powder.
>>
>> > Banning the import of foods containing Cuban sugar is not really
>> > ridiculous
>>
>>
>> What's ridiculous is thinking there's a way of knowing with any degree of
>> certainty from which geographical location a particular sugar
>> originated..
>> especially once it's blended into a recipe.
>
>
> Thank you. Unless the item said "Made in Cuba" or "Product of Cuba" or
> some
> such the US would have no grounds for barring it's import. Some here
> obviously enjoy to stir up that old anti - Yanqui sentiment...
>
> In fact, you can find Heinz products in Cuban stores:
>
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/money/econom...80210184_x.htm
>
> Cuba stocks US brands despite embargo
>
> Posted 5/15/2007 1:31 AM
>
> By Will Weissert, Associated Press Writer
>
> "HAVANA - The golden arches are nowhere to be found.

<snip article text>

The thing is that early on in this thread it was stated that it was the USDA
that stopped the import of UK ketchup, well they don't become involved with
political issues. The USDA deals with quality and where there is some
material flaw with a food product. Early on I stated that I had previously
heard that there was a problem with UK products due to health issues because
in the UK they use malt vinegar and malt vinegar contains gluten. No one
here has explored that possibility so as you say, there are indeed those
with a strong penchant to stir up that old anti - Yanqui sentiment... rather
than learning the truth.

Andy wrote:
> Jean B. said...
>
>> Andy wrote:
>
>>> Who cares about foreign Heinz ketchup???
>>>
>>> It won't taste different. It's the cheapest condiment on earth!
>>>
>>> Ridiculous!!!
>>>
>>> Hello???
>>>
>>> Andy
>> I care. Foreign Heinz ketchup contains sugar as vs HFCS. Also,
>> the organic Heinz is imported.
>
>
> Jean B,
>
> I bought organic Heinz at the supermarket once. No difference other than
> price.
>
> I'm with you about anti-HFCS but what are we putting ketchup on that isn't
> probably worse?
>
> Debating UK vs. US Heinz ketchup just seems a tad absurd, imho.
>
> And so... rfc marches on.
>
> Best,
>
> Andy
>
Well, I suspect what YOU are putting it on and what I might put it
on may be different. :-) BTW, I checked today, and the organic
Heinz ketchup is on the shelves, made in Canada.

--
Jean B.

James Silverton wrote:
>
> Arri wrote on Wed, 04 Mar 2009 08:50:24 -0700:
>
> > Michel Boucher wrote:
> >>
> >> Arri London > wrote in
> >> :
> >>
> > >> If it does contain Cuban sugar, that would be enough
> > >> grounds for barring entry into the US. There is still
> > >> supposed to be a trade embargo on Cuban products.
> >>
> >> What do you mean "if"?
> >>
> >Is the origin of the sugar in the ketchup documented as being Cuban?
> >Sugar grows in a lot of places; it was easy enough to buy supermarket
> >sugar in London that came from many different countries.
>
> Was the plant that produced the sugar mentioned in London?

Yes of course. Cane sugar is always identified as cane sugar in the UK.
If the word cane isn't used, then the product is generally made from
beet sugar. That's pretty basic

Sugar cane
> does not grow in Northern Europe but sugar beets flourish. The sugar
> from either source is chemically identical.
> --
>


Sucrose is indeed sucrose, once it's all purified down to white
crystals.

Arri wrote on Thu, 05 Mar 2009 09:00:21 -0700:


> James Silverton wrote:
>>
>> Arri wrote on Wed, 04 Mar 2009 08:50:24 -0700:
>>
> >> Michel Boucher wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Arri London > wrote in
> >>> :
> >>>
> > >>> If it does contain Cuban sugar, that would be enough
> > >>> grounds for barring entry into the US. There is still
> > >>> supposed to be a trade embargo on Cuban products.
> >>>
> >>> What do you mean "if"?
> >>>
> >> Is the origin of the sugar in the ketchup documented as
> >> being Cuban? Sugar grows in a lot of places; it was easy
> >> enough to buy supermarket sugar in London that came from
> >> many different countries.
>>
>> Was the plant that produced the sugar mentioned in London?

> Yes of course. Cane sugar is always identified as cane sugar
> in the UK. If the word cane isn't used, then the product is
> generally made from beet sugar. That's pretty basic

I wonder why it should be felt necessary to specify the plant source of
the sugar? Is it required for some sort of subsidy or tariff?

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

Dan Abel wrote:
>
> In article >,
> "Jean B." > wrote:
>
> > I care. Foreign Heinz ketchup contains sugar as vs HFCS. Also,
> > the organic Heinz is imported.
>
> I didn't have any luck finding the ingredients. Heinz assured me that
> they were the finest and the purist. Thanks, but what are they?
>
> In:
>
> >
>
> Arri posted that the US version contains glucose syrup, but not HFCS.
> The sugar "glucose" is present in many different foods, as well as being
> a *very* important sugar in our body. However, corn syrup is a type of
> glucose syrup, and is what HFCS is made from. So, depending on why a
> person thinks that HFCS is more evil than sucrose, that will help decide
> whether they might prefer sucrose over glucose syrup.
>
>

Got that from different Web sites, none of which quoted the label
directly. It could be inaccurate. We don't have ketchup in the house at
the moment. Someone in this group needs to copy the ingredients off the
label of their own bottle of Heinz ketchup

blake murphy wrote:
>
> On Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:32:21 GMT, James Silverton wrote:
>
> >
> > Cheapest condiment? How about salt, vinegar etc.? Banning the import of
> > foods containing Cuban sugar is not really ridiculous since it is an
> > easy way to get votes in Florida and no-one else seems to care much
>
> i could be wrong, but i doubt the ban on 'cuban products' goes down to the
> ingredient level. even insanity has its limits.
>
> your pal,
> blake


One would *like* to think so.....

"Arri London" > wrote in message
> Sugar cane
>> does not grow in Northern Europe but sugar beets flourish. The sugar
>> from either source is chemically identical.
>> --
>>
>
>
> Sucrose is indeed sucrose, once it's all purified down to white
> crystals.

I've never tried beet sugar, but I do know people that dislike it for
baking. They say it is not hte same and the end result is different. All
the sugar I've seen in this area (East Coast) is cane.

James Silverton wrote:
>
> Arri wrote on Thu, 05 Mar 2009 09:00:21 -0700:
>
> > James Silverton wrote:
> >>
> >> Arri wrote on Wed, 04 Mar 2009 08:50:24 -0700:
> >>
> > >> Michel Boucher wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Arri London > wrote in
> > >>> :
> > >>>
> > > >>> If it does contain Cuban sugar, that would be enough
> > > >>> grounds for barring entry into the US. There is still
> > > >>> supposed to be a trade embargo on Cuban products.
> > >>>
> > >>> What do you mean "if"?
> > >>>
> > >> Is the origin of the sugar in the ketchup documented as
> > >> being Cuban? Sugar grows in a lot of places; it was easy
> > >> enough to buy supermarket sugar in London that came from
> > >> many different countries.
> >>
> >> Was the plant that produced the sugar mentioned in London?
>
> > Yes of course. Cane sugar is always identified as cane sugar
> > in the UK. If the word cane isn't used, then the product is
> > generally made from beet sugar. That's pretty basic
>
> I wonder why it should be felt necessary to specify the plant source of
> the sugar? Is it required for some sort of subsidy or tariff?
>
> --
>

Never thought about it. Could be that or could just be that general food
laws require such labelling. Chocolate bars must list percentage cocoa
solids and sausage products must list minimum (which is probably the
maximum) meat content.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
>
> "Arri London" > wrote in message
> > Sugar cane
> >> does not grow in Northern Europe but sugar beets flourish. The sugar
> >> from either source is chemically identical.
> >> --
> >>
> >
> >
> > Sucrose is indeed sucrose, once it's all purified down to white
> > crystals.
>
> I've never tried beet sugar, but I do know people that dislike it for
> baking. They say it is not hte same and the end result is different. All
> the sugar I've seen in this area (East Coast) is cane.


Have never noticed the slightest difference. Have used both equally in
different countries. Guessing that in a 'blind' test, people wouldn't
notice any difference.

In article >, Arri London >
wrote:

> Dan Abel wrote:

> > I didn't have any luck finding the ingredients. Heinz assured me that
> > they were the finest and the purist. Thanks, but what are they?
> >
> > In:
> >
> > >
> >
> > Arri posted that the US version contains glucose syrup, but not HFCS.
> > The sugar "glucose" is present in many different foods, as well as being
> > a *very* important sugar in our body. However, corn syrup is a type of
> > glucose syrup, and is what HFCS is made from. So, depending on why a
> > person thinks that HFCS is more evil than sucrose, that will help decide
> > whether they might prefer sucrose over glucose syrup.

> Got that from different Web sites, none of which quoted the label
> directly. It could be inaccurate. We don't have ketchup in the house at
> the moment. Someone in this group needs to copy the ingredients off the
> label of their own bottle of Heinz ketchup

That's really funny, Arri. I'm so used to looking stuff up on the web,
and not buying name brands, that I never thought to look in my own
fridge! We have both Heinz and store brand in there, and the ingredient
list for both has HFCS and corn syrup, in that order.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA

Dan Abel wrote:
>
> In article >, Arri London >
> wrote:
>
> > Dan Abel wrote:
>
> > > I didn't have any luck finding the ingredients. Heinz assured me that
> > > they were the finest and the purist. Thanks, but what are they?
> > >
> > > In:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Arri posted that the US version contains glucose syrup, but not HFCS.
> > > The sugar "glucose" is present in many different foods, as well as being
> > > a *very* important sugar in our body. However, corn syrup is a type of
> > > glucose syrup, and is what HFCS is made from. So, depending on why a
> > > person thinks that HFCS is more evil than sucrose, that will help decide
> > > whether they might prefer sucrose over glucose syrup.
>
> > Got that from different Web sites, none of which quoted the label
> > directly. It could be inaccurate. We don't have ketchup in the house at
> > the moment. Someone in this group needs to copy the ingredients off the
> > label of their own bottle of Heinz ketchup
>
> That's really funny, Arri. I'm so used to looking stuff up on the web,
> and not buying name brands, that I never thought to look in my own
> fridge! We have both Heinz and store brand in there, and the ingredient
> list for both has HFCS and corn syrup, in that order.
>
> --
> Dan Abel


TY Dan. Neither of those forms of sugar are pure glucose syrup. Perhaps
it *used* to contain pure glucose syrup (no idea how much that would
cost) and that's where the other information came from?