On Jun 11, 8:48�am, "Nancy Young" wrote:
Giusi wrote:
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Giusi wrote:
The lack of sun made my beans come up, look around and then stall.
They want 60�F around the clock or samned close.

Yikes, so far I've given them 95. �Today it's a balmy 75 ... so far.

Misstated: they want 60�F MIN everything over that happily accepted
with an appropriate amount of water.

Ooops. �Sorry about that, I shouldn't have taken it so literally.
What a dummy.


Actually beans prefer cooler temperature... they can be planted in
early spring as soon as the soil is workable without clumping, and
beans welcome light frost. There are many vegetables that grow best
at cooler temperatures.

aem wrote:
"Giusi" wrote:
"Sheldon" wrote:
�and there
are far better methods for controling weeds, crowding is the worst,
teh weeds will still grow, right between the plants where you won't
notice untll they're well established, and then you'll disturb the
bean plant roots when pulling the mature weeds.

My experience varies widely from your conjecture. �This method works best
for people who aren't growing bushels of anything, but it does work and is
considered a very good organic way to grow beans.

I also grow tagetes or marigold around most vegetables for insect control.

Both methods work. �Your close planting is usually accompanied by
raised beds and more soil preparation and hand weeding. �Googling on
"intensive gardening" or "biodynamis gardening" brings up many
references, and "square foot gardening" is a variant on it. �We used
to use Sheldon's traditional methods and plant spacings and his
recommendations are well suited for it. �Then we built a couple small
raised beds and mostly follow the square foot gardening
guidelines. � �

Yesterday the weather was finally cool enough to work outside, was
still a little warm (low 80s) but I magaged to plant those two plum
trees... after teh job is done it doesn't look like a lot of hard work
but digging those holes by hand is no simple matter... of course I
also need to keep them deer proof for a few years while they grow...
my fencing system works well.

One is a green gage (my favorite), the other a Mt. Royal... both are
self pollenating but for a better crop it's best to plant a different
plum.

http://i27.tinypic.com/s5e8so.jpg

http://i31.tinypic.com/16gk3f9.jpg

Now I need to find the energy to plant the two apple trees.

Sheldon

On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:04:16 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon
wrote:

Yesterday the weather was finally cool enough to work outside, was
still a little warm (low 80s) but I magaged to plant those two plum
trees... after teh job is done it doesn't look like a lot of hard work
but digging those holes by hand is no simple matter... of course I
also need to keep them deer proof for a few years while they grow...
my fencing system works well.

One is a green gage (my favorite), the other a Mt. Royal... both are
self pollenating but for a better crop it's best to plant a different
plum.

http://i27.tinypic.com/s5e8so.jpg

http://i31.tinypic.com/16gk3f9.jpg

Now I need to find the energy to plant the two apple trees.

Nice yard Shemp. Trees aren't for those who need instant
gratification. I planted 5 of them 6 years ago. This year they're
looking beautiful. The ornamental pear is close to 25' tall. The
cherry is about 12' and I might actually get something off it if I can
beat the birds. I'll bet those cages are a pita to mow around.

Anyway, grate job.

Lou

Lou Decruss wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:04:16 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon
wrote:





Yesterday the weather was finally cool enough to work outside, was
still a little warm (low 80s) but I magaged to plant those two plum
trees... after teh job is done it doesn't look like a lot of hard work
but digging those holes by hand is no simple matter... of course I
also need to keep them deer proof for a few years while they grow...
my fencing system works well.

One is a green gage (my favorite), the other a Mt. Royal... both are
self pollenating but for a better crop it's best to plant a different
plum.

http://i27.tinypic.com/s5e8so.jpg

http://i31.tinypic.com/16gk3f9.jpg

Now I need to find the energy to plant the two apple trees.

Nice yard Shemp. �Trees aren't for those who need instant
gratification. �I planted 5 of them 6 years ago. �This year they're
looking beautiful. �The ornamental pear is close to 25' tall. �The
cherry is about 12' and I might actually get something off it if I can
beat the birds. �I'll bet those cages are a pita to mow around.

Actually I designed them that way to make them easy to mow... if you
notice there's a one foot space at the bottom of the chicken wire,
which also adds a foot of height to keep the deer from nibbling up
above (I never saw any deer attempt to crawl underneath). After
mowing close with a riding mower that space enables me to periodically
slide a push mower underneath, and it's easy to string trim around the
fence posts. Oh, and soon there will be weed block cloth pinned down
in there just past the outside of that fence. I don't bother with
the pretty pine bark nuggets anymore as they just seem to scatter
about and make more work picking them up and putting them back, plus
they're an added expense for nothing as from those distances no one
can see what's under there. Early on I had the chicken wire fence
right to the ground with other trees I had planted, now that is a
horror to mow and weed... I quickly changed those. Naturally it's all
work, everytime something new is added there's more to mow around.

I have a couple of ornamental pear I planted five years ago, those are
about 25 feet tall now too. The ones in blossom... in that row is a
linden, hawthorn, beech, yellowwood, and dawn two redwood. Of course
they're not all possible to see in this picture, that row extends some
twelve hundred feet, and a couple were behind me when I snapped this:
http://i30.tinypic.com/291n6gl.jpg

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On Jun 13, 3:43 pm, Sheldon wrote:

Actually beans prefer cooler temperature... they can be planted in
early spring as soon as the soil is workable without clumping, and
beans welcome light frost. There are many vegetables that grow best
at cooler temperatures.

That ius not my experience. Afaik beans need 18C+ to germinate.
Otherwise they will just rot. Sugarsnaps and broadbeans on the other
can stand cold well, and I oftern pant them in fall already for early
crops

On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 08:04:27 -0700 (PDT), Cookseasonal
wrote:

On Jun 13, 3:43 pm, Sheldon wrote:

Actually beans prefer cooler temperature... they can be planted in
early spring as soon as the soil is workable without clumping, and
beans welcome light frost. There are many vegetables that grow best
at cooler temperatures.

That ius not my experience. Afaik beans need 18C+ to germinate.
Otherwise they will just rot. Sugarsnaps and broadbeans on the other
can stand cold well, and I oftern pant them in fall already for early
crops


Yup...green beans like it warm and can be planted all the way through
August here in the NJ. They just will not come up in until the soil
warms a bit. I encourage them by planting mine in containers in which
the soil warms up before the regular garden does...still, they will
not germinate well, if at all, in the cold.

Boron

On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:30:56 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon
wrote:

Lou Decruss wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 08:04:16 -0700 (PDT), Sheldon
wrote:





Yesterday the weather was finally cool enough to work outside, was
still a little warm (low 80s) but I magaged to plant those two plum
trees... after teh job is done it doesn't look like a lot of hard work
but digging those holes by hand is no simple matter... of course I
also need to keep them deer proof for a few years while they grow...
my fencing system works well.

One is a green gage (my favorite), the other a Mt. Royal... both are
self pollenating but for a better crop it's best to plant a different
plum.

http://i27.tinypic.com/s5e8so.jpg

http://i31.tinypic.com/16gk3f9.jpg

Now I need to find the energy to plant the two apple trees.

Nice yard Shemp. ?Trees aren't for those who need instant
gratification. ?I planted 5 of them 6 years ago. ?This year they're
looking beautiful. ?The ornamental pear is close to 25' tall. ?The
cherry is about 12' and I might actually get something off it if I can
beat the birds. ?I'll bet those cages are a pita to mow around.

Actually I designed them that way to make them easy to mow... if you
notice there's a one foot space at the bottom of the chicken wire,

I did see that and I like the idea. But I still figured with that big
mower it would be a pain.

which also adds a foot of height to keep the deer from nibbling up
above (I never saw any deer attempt to crawl underneath). After
mowing close with a riding mower that space enables me to periodically
slide a push mower underneath, and it's easy to string trim around the
fence posts. Oh, and soon there will be weed block cloth pinned down
in there just past the outside of that fence. I don't bother with
the pretty pine bark nuggets anymore as they just seem to scatter
about and make more work picking them up and putting them back, plus
they're an added expense for nothing as from those distances no one
can see what's under there. Early on I had the chicken wire fence
right to the ground with other trees I had planted, now that is a
horror to mow and weed... I quickly changed those. Naturally it's all
work, everytime something new is added there's more to mow around.

We've spent years working on making our cottage yard easier to mow.
The yard is nothing like yours in size. I think it's just over 1/3 of
an acre, but backs up to a forest. I'm the cook here and my lady is
the gardener. Her goal was to eliminate grass and replace it with
perennials. I do he grunt work, but she does all the planting of the
smaller things. At first the areas she started working on made mowing
much worse. After a few years of learning how to set things up, and
hundreds of plants in the ground, it's a breeze. As usual, she had a
good plan, and the patience to follow through with it. Yesterday we
mowed, trimmed, and blew the walks, decks, and driveway off in less
than two hours. While we were doing that I smoked 2 small meat loafs.
----OB food

Here, they're almost done:

http://i25.tinypic.com/11wfwus.jpg


I have a couple of ornamental pear I planted five years ago, those are
about 25 feet tall now too. The ones in blossom... in that row is a
linden, hawthorn, beech, yellowwood, and dawn two redwood. Of course
they're not all possible to see in this picture, that row extends some
twelve hundred feet, and a couple were behind me when I snapped this:
http://i30.tinypic.com/291n6gl.jpg

Nice trees. My ornamental pear isn't as spread out as yours but it's
got more foliage. They are beautiful when they blossom. When it
rains and it's windy Louise says the leaves "smile." She's a nature
freak and was even recycling back in the 70's before it was vougue.

Here's the cherry tree I planted. It's got a weird split of the trunk
but it's very healthy. I love it. It might even be taller than I
thought. The raspberries behind it have been doing poorly for a few
years but it looks like they might come back this year. This is the
view from the chair I sit in on weekend mornings when I drink my
coffee. (or bloody mary's)

http://i26.tinypic.com/24zvjlt.jpg

When we started this area last summer it was a mowing nightmare. It
still needs a bit of cleaning up and we need to get the rocks for the
dry bed, but it's still nice for it's first full year. The lady here
has a bunch of these areas going. Another year and I can sell the
mower and get a goat.

http://i31.tinypic.com/dzwmqe.jpg

Lou