On February 1st of this year, Hershey's finished the closure of it's
Oakdale, California plant which eliminated the largest employer in Oakdale
with the loss of 575 jobs. The 575 jobs are now in Monterrey Mexico. Very
nice for Monterrey huh? Oakdale is the home of a very successful Chocolate
Festival in the summer. Luckily, the chocolate festival will not disappear,
mostly because chocolate is a big industry here in California and the city
leaders hoped that continuing the festival might make the plant more
attractive to another company. Their move was apparently brilliant. A
company is already stepping in to use the Hershey facility and to help fill
in the job blank that Hershey's left.

Sconza Candy is coming to Oakdale to use the same facility and to reemployee
some people that California just can't afford to have unemployed. Sconza
candies are only available in a couple of stores here in the Modesto/Oakdale
area since this company is apparently originally based in Oakland in the bay
area. We will definitely be on the lookout to support Sconza candies from
now on. They will go into production at this factory in the fall originally
with around 100 employees. It was be a Hershey replacement right off the
bat, but it will get there.

Just my little bitch about jobs being outsourced away from hard-working
Americans and endorsement of an American Company.

Cindi

On Tue 13 May 2008 11:48:19a, Cindi - HappyMamatoThree told us...

On February 1st of this year, Hershey's finished the closure of it's
Oakdale, California plant which eliminated the largest employer in
Oakdale with the loss of 575 jobs. The 575 jobs are now in Monterrey
Mexico. Very nice for Monterrey huh? Oakdale is the home of a very
successful Chocolate Festival in the summer. Luckily, the chocolate
festival will not disappear, mostly because chocolate is a big industry
here in California and the city leaders hoped that continuing the
festival might make the plant more attractive to another company. Their
move was apparently brilliant. A company is already stepping in to use
the Hershey facility and to help fill in the job blank that Hershey's
left.

Sconza Candy is coming to Oakdale to use the same facility and to
reemployee some people that California just can't afford to have
unemployed. Sconza candies are only available in a couple of stores
here in the Modesto/Oakdale area since this company is apparently
originally based in Oakland in the bay area. We will definitely be on
the lookout to support Sconza candies from now on. They will go into
production at this factory in the fall originally with around 100
employees. It was be a Hershey replacement right off the bat, but it
will get there.

Just my little bitch about jobs being outsourced away from hard-working
Americans and endorsement of an American Company.

Cindi

When I worked in an IT department at American Express, we were abruptly
notified on a Friday that the entire division was being outsourced to India
that Friday was out last day of work.

Dismal!

--
Wayne Boatwright
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Countdown till Memorial Day
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Wayne Boatwright wrote:



Just my little bitch about jobs being outsourced away from hard-working
Americans and endorsement of an American Company.

Cindi

When I worked in an IT department at American Express, we were abruptly
notified on a Friday that the entire division was being outsourced to India
that Friday was out last day of work.


Maybe it is time to start boycotting businesses that have outsourced their call
centres and support to places like India. The last time I had to call for
support for my internet service I could hardly understand the guy. Goddammit. I
pushed 1 for English not Hindi. My call took more than twice as long as it
should of because I had to repeat everything I said to him and had to get him
to repeat everything to me. I am not talking a slight accent. I could not
understand him.

Cindi - HappyMamatoThree wrote:

Just my little bitch about jobs being outsourced away from hard-working
Americans and endorsement of an American Company.

Don't blame Hershey for this. In the U.S., we
pay about 2 to 4 times the world price for sugar.
We've got two lobbies keeping the present system
in place -- beet sugar manufacturers (who would
not be able to compete with foreign cane sugar
in an unregulated market) and HFCS manufacturers
(led by Archer Daniels Midland) who spend lavishly
on politicians to keep their lucrative trade in
place. (HFCS is exempt from the price supports
for sucrose, so soft-drink manufacturers can use
it as a cheaper substitute, however it is not
suitable as a replacement for sugar in candy.)

We'd be healthier and pay less for food if the
sugar legislation were repealed. We also would
not be losing our candy industry to Canada and
Mexico.

Here's a good article on the subject, though
somewhat dated (2001):

http://www.freetrade.org/pubs/briefs/tbp-013.pdf

Mark Thorson wrote:

Here's a good article on the subject, though
somewhat dated (2001):

http://www.freetrade.org/pubs/briefs/tbp-013.pdf

Here's a much more recent article:

http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb_0607_46.pdf

It's a disgrace that we have corrupt politicians
that support the sugar racket. They are
destroying the U.S. candy industry to benefit
a few rich corporations. That's treason!

Dave Smith wrote:

Maybe it is time to start boycotting businesses that have outsourced their call
centres and support to places like India. The last time I had to call for
support for my internet service I could hardly understand the guy. Goddammit. I
pushed 1 for English not Hindi. My call took more than twice as long as it
should of because I had to repeat everything I said to him and had to get him
to repeat everything to me. I am not talking a slight accent. I could not
understand him.

In a couple years we'll have them eating hamburgers and speaking
perfect English. Hang in there.

-sw

"Dave Smith" wrote in message
...
Wayne Boatwright wrote:



Just my little bitch about jobs being outsourced away from hard-working
Americans and endorsement of an American Company.

Cindi

When I worked in an IT department at American Express, we were abruptly
notified on a Friday that the entire division was being outsourced to
India
that Friday was out last day of work.


Maybe it is time to start boycotting businesses that have outsourced their
call
centres and support to places like India. The last time I had to call for
support for my internet service I could hardly understand the guy.
Goddammit. I
pushed 1 for English not Hindi. My call took more than twice as long as it
should of because I had to repeat everything I said to him and had to get
him
to repeat everything to me. I am not talking a slight accent. I could not
understand him.

Oh I SOOOOOOOOO despise that. If I ask for English then I expect English
either with a Southern accent, a Cockney accent, a valley accent, something
besides a Hindi that I can't possibly understand. I spend 20 minutes on the
phone in conversation instead of 5. And that's after being on terminal hold
for an hour.

Customer service is so customer friendly now. Yeah. Right.

Cindi

On 2008-05-13, Cindi - HappyMamatoThree wrote:

Just my little bitch about jobs being outsourced away from hard-working
Americans and endorsement of an American Company.

The question then becomes, who will they hire to open the new plant.

nb ...Oakdale fan way back when that ground was the turkey packing plant.

On 2008-05-13, Sqwertz wrote:

In a couple years we'll have them eating hamburgers and speaking
perfect English. Hang in there.

In the meantime, "the trades" are paying 1978 wages while housing prices are
20x what they were then. What are you doing to keep your mortgage payments
up?

nb

On 2008-05-13, Mark Thorson wrote:

It's a disgrace that we have corrupt politicians. ---PERIOD!!

On May 13, 3:53 pm, Mark Thorson wrote:

Don't blame Hershey for this. In the U.S., we
pay about 2 to 4 times the world price for sugar.
We've got two lobbies keeping the present system
in place -- beet sugar manufacturers (who would
not be able to compete with foreign cane sugar
in an unregulated market) and HFCS manufacturers
(led by Archer Daniels Midland) who spend lavishly
on politicians to keep their lucrative trade in
place.

Don't forget your embargo on Cuba.

On May 13, 3:10*pm, Dave Smith wrote:
Wayne Boatwright wrote:

Just my little bitch about jobs being outsourced away from hard-working
Americans and endorsement of an American Company.

Cindi

When I worked in an IT department at American Express, we were abruptly
notified on a Friday that the entire division was being outsourced to India
that Friday was out last day of work.

Maybe it is time to start boycotting businesses that have outsourced their call
centres and support to places like India. The last time I had to call for
support for my internet service I could hardly understand the guy. Goddammit. I
pushed 1 for English not Hindi. My call took more than twice as long as it
should of because I had to repeat everything I said to him and had to get him
to repeat everything to me. *I am not talking a slight accent. I could not
understand him.


Are you sure you weren't getting a call centre in Glasgow?

John Kane Kingston ON Canada

"Mark Thorson" wrote in message
...
Mark Thorson wrote:

Here's a good article on the subject, though
somewhat dated (2001):

http://www.freetrade.org/pubs/briefs/tbp-013.pdf

Here's a much more recent article:

http://www.cato.org/pubs/tbb/tbb_0607_46.pdf

It's a disgrace that we have corrupt politicians
that support the sugar racket. They are
destroying the U.S. candy industry to benefit
a few rich corporations. That's treason!

I think that the entire "lobbying" world is a farce, not just that relating
to candy, sugar or HFCS. It's massive amounts of money poured freely into
the hands of people willing to beg on behalf a striking number of diverse
groups. It's really mind blowing. Based on an article on the Cato server
released about the same time as that one you referenced in June 2007,
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=8381, also provides some detail
information about the effect that lobbies are having not just on sugar and
related products prices but also on sugar and related product production.
Yes, it is a hardship for candy production companies. BUT, at the same time
Hershey's has done it's share of deceoptive lobbying, especially in the last
year.

Hershey's as a part of the Chocolate Manufacturer's Association has been
lobbying the FDA for the allowance of partially hydrogenated vegetable oils
with artificial sweeteners and milk substitutes to replace Cocoa Better in
their products and still call them "Chocolate".
http://www.eatingliberally.org/story..._24_2007_id505

So, it seems that everyone has their special interest to spend some extra
dollars on and ask for a little lobbying on their part. Unfortunately they
all end up with their money fighting against each other in an effort to
serve their own purpose.

Regardless lots of American producers have shipped their manufacture out of
the US in response to a wide variety of cost increases. Sad.

Cindi

On Tue, 13 May 2008 11:48:19 -0700, "Cindi - HappyMamatoThree"
wrote:

Just my little bitch about jobs being outsourced away from hard-working
Americans and endorsement of an American Company.

Thank your local and national government for taxing business out of
this country. You'd think they would wake up and soon.

Cindi - HappyMamatoThree wrote:

I think that the entire "lobbying" world is a farce, not just that relating
to candy, sugar or HFCS. It's massive amounts of money poured freely into
the hands of people willing to beg on behalf a striking number of diverse
groups.

Beg? You mean *bribe*. Don't try and sugar-coat it.

-sw