Sqwertz wrote:

Cindi - HappyMamatoThree wrote:

I think that the entire "lobbying" world is a farce, not just that relating
to candy, sugar or HFCS. It's massive amounts of money poured freely into
the hands of people willing to beg on behalf a striking number of diverse
groups.

Beg? You mean *bribe*. Don't try and sugar-coat it.

And certainly not with beet sugar! :-)

On Tue 13 May 2008 12:53:29p, Mark Thorson told us...

Cindi - HappyMamatoThree wrote:

Just my little bitch about jobs being outsourced away from hard-working
Americans and endorsement of an American Company.

Don't blame Hershey for this. In the U.S., we
pay about 2 to 4 times the world price for sugar.
We've got two lobbies keeping the present system
in place -- beet sugar manufacturers (who would
not be able to compete with foreign cane sugar
in an unregulated market) and HFCS manufacturers
(led by Archer Daniels Midland) who spend lavishly
on politicians to keep their lucrative trade in
place. (HFCS is exempt from the price supports
for sucrose, so soft-drink manufacturers can use
it as a cheaper substitute, however it is not
suitable as a replacement for sugar in candy.)

We'd be healthier and pay less for food if the
sugar legislation were repealed. We also would
not be losing our candy industry to Canada and
Mexico.

Here's a good article on the subject, though
somewhat dated (2001):

http://www.freetrade.org/pubs/briefs/tbp-013.pdf

I'm not saying that I'm a proponent of HFCS, but just what is it that
people are so up in arms about with it?

Most things I try to buy with cane sugar, but it can't always be found in
products.

--
Wayne Boatwright
-------------------------------------------
Tuesday, 05(V)/13(XIII)/08(MMVIII)
-------------------------------------------
Countdown till Memorial Day
1wks 5dys 4hrs 35mins
-------------------------------------------
I'm so far behind I think I'm first.
-------------------------------------------

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

On Tue 13 May 2008 12:53:29p, Mark Thorson told us...





Cindi - HappyMamatoThree wrote:

Just my little bitch about jobs being outsourced away from hard-working
Americans and endorsement of an American Company.

Don't blame Hershey for this. *In the U.S., we
pay about 2 to 4 times the world price for sugar.
We've got two lobbies keeping the present system
in place -- beet sugar manufacturers (who would
not be able to compete with foreign cane sugar
in an unregulated market) and HFCS manufacturers
(led by Archer Daniels Midland) who spend lavishly
on politicians to keep their lucrative trade in
place. *(HFCS is exempt from the price supports
for sucrose, so soft-drink manufacturers can use
it as a cheaper substitute, however it is not
suitable as a replacement for sugar in candy.)

We'd be healthier and pay less for food if the
sugar legislation were repealed. *We also would
not be losing our candy industry to Canada and
Mexico.

Here's a good article on the subject, though
somewhat dated (2001):

http://www.freetrade.org/pubs/briefs/tbp-013.pdf

I'm not saying that I'm a proponent of HFCS, but just what is it that
people are so up in arms about with it?


It's produced very cheaply and so is added in great quantities to many
foodstuffs...the blissninnies think this is bad because if ingeted to
excess it can cause potentially cause obesity, etc.



Most things I try to buy with cane sugar, but it can't always be found in
products.


"Sugar is sugar is sugar" as the auld saying goes...

:-)

Kinda like the recent dumb trend towards "designer" salts. "Oh it's
SEA SALT...!!!" the foodies say. Well yeah, ALL salt is "sea salt"...



--
Best
Greg

Dave Smith wrote:

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

Just my little bitch about jobs being outsourced away from hard-working
Americans and endorsement of an American Company.

Cindi

When I worked in an IT department at American Express, we were abruptly
notified on a Friday that the entire division was being outsourced to India
that Friday was out last day of work.

Maybe it is time to start boycotting businesses that have outsourced their call
centres and support to places like India.


Rotsa ruck with that, Dave...


The last time I had to call for
support for my internet service I could hardly understand the guy. Goddammit. I
pushed 1 for English not Hindi. My call took more than twice as long as it
should of because I had to repeat everything I said to him and had to get him
to repeat everything to me. *I am not talking a slight accent. I could not
understand him.


So just hang up and try again. Actually, the last times I've called
customer support about various things I've gotten very good and quick
service from the foreign call centre staff...

"YMMV", natcherly...


--
Best
Greg

On Tue 13 May 2008 08:01:51p, Gregory Morrow told us...

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

On Tue 13 May 2008 12:53:29p, Mark Thorson told us...





Cindi - HappyMamatoThree wrote:

Just my little bitch about jobs being outsourced away from hard-
working

Americans and endorsement of an American Company.

Don't blame Hershey for this. *In the U.S., we
pay about 2 to 4 times the world price for sugar.
We've got two lobbies keeping the present system
in place -- beet sugar manufacturers (who would
not be able to compete with foreign cane sugar
in an unregulated market) and HFCS manufacturers
(led by Archer Daniels Midland) who spend lavishly
on politicians to keep their lucrative trade in
place. *(HFCS is exempt from the price supports
for sucrose, so soft-drink manufacturers can use
it as a cheaper substitute, however it is not suitable as a
replacement for sugar in candy.)

We'd be healthier and pay less for food if the
sugar legislation were repealed. *We also would
not be losing our candy industry to Canada and
Mexico.

Here's a good article on the subject, though somewhat dated (2001):

http://www.freetrade.org/pubs/briefs/tbp-013.pdf

I'm not saying that I'm a proponent of HFCS, but just what is it that
people are so up in arms about with it?


It's produced very cheaply and so is added in great quantities to many
foodstuffs...the blissninnies think this is bad because if ingeted to
excess it can cause potentially cause obesity, etc.



Most things I try to buy with cane sugar, but it can't always be found
in
products.


"Sugar is sugar is sugar" as the auld saying goes...

:-)

Kinda like the recent dumb trend towards "designer" salts. "Oh it's
SEA SALT...!!!" the foodies say. Well yeah, ALL salt is "sea salt"...



--
Best
Greg



Gotcha. Thanks!

--
Wayne Boatwright
-------------------------------------------
Tuesday, 05(V)/13(XIII)/08(MMVIII)
-------------------------------------------
Countdown till Memorial Day
1wks 5dys 3hrs 55mins
-------------------------------------------
Altered reality is the only way to go
through life.
-------------------------------------------

In article 4,
Wayne Boatwright wrote:

I'm not saying that I'm a proponent of HFCS, but just what is it that
people are so up in arms about with it?

Most things I try to buy with cane sugar, but it can't always be found in
products.

Frankly, I'm not against it either. I'm against it in products that
taste unpleasant to me now that were originally formulated with sugar. I
suppose the present generation won't know the difference.

leo (waiting for an earthquake; the spell is broken!)

Cindi - HappyMamatoThree wrote:

On February 1st of this year, Hershey's finished the closure of it's
Oakdale, California plant which eliminated the largest employer in
Oakdale with the loss of 575 jobs. The 575 jobs are now in Monterrey
Mexico. Very nice for Monterrey huh? Oakdale is the home of a very
successful Chocolate Festival in the summer. Luckily, the chocolate
festival will not disappear, mostly because chocolate is a big
industry here in California and the city leaders hoped that
continuing the festival might make the plant more attractive to
another company. Their move was apparently brilliant. A company is
already stepping in to use the Hershey facility and to help fill in
the job blank that Hershey's left.

Sconza Candy is coming to Oakdale to use the same facility and to
reemployee some people that California just can't afford to have
unemployed. Sconza candies are only available in a couple of stores
here in the Modesto/Oakdale area since this company is apparently
originally based in Oakland in the bay area. We will definitely be on
the lookout to support Sconza candies from now on. They will go into
production at this factory in the fall originally with around 100
employees. It was be a Hershey replacement right off the bat, but it
will get there.

Just my little bitch about jobs being outsourced away from
hard-working Americans and endorsement of an American Company.

At least one Mexican food company (Bimbo) now produces some products in
the US (Texas, if I recall correctly.) Not for sale in Mexico, as far
as I know -- for sale to Hispanics in the US.

--
Dan Goodman
"I have always depended on the kindness of stranglers."
Tennessee Williams, A Streetcar Named Expire
Journal http://dsgood.livejournal.com
Futures http://clerkfuturist.wordpress.com
mirror 1: http://dsgood.insanejournal.com
mirror 2: http://dsgood.wordpress.com
Links http://del.icio.us/dsgood

On Tue 13 May 2008 10:07:42p, Leonard Blaisdell told us...

In article 4,
Wayne Boatwright wrote:

I'm not saying that I'm a proponent of HFCS, but just what is it that
people are so up in arms about with it?

Most things I try to buy with cane sugar, but it can't always be found
in
products.

Frankly, I'm not against it either. I'm against it in products that
taste unpleasant to me now that were originally formulated with sugar. I
suppose the present generation won't know the difference.

It seems most of the present generation drinks nothing but artificially
sweetened diet drinks. They don't know from sugar or HFCS. :-)

leo (waiting for an earthquake; the spell is broken!)


That's a good thing!

--
Wayne Boatwright
-------------------------------------------
Wednesday, 05(V)/14(XIV)/08(MMVIII)
-------------------------------------------
Countdown till Memorial Day
1wks 4dys 18hrs 15mins
-------------------------------------------
Oxymoron: Smart Bomb.
-------------------------------------------

"Cindi - HappyMamatoThree" ha scritto nel
messaggio ...
On February 1st of this year, Hershey's finished the closure of it's
Oakdale, California plant which eliminated the largest employer in Oakdale
with the loss of 575 jobs. The 575 jobs are now in Monterrey Mexico. Very
nice for Monterrey huh? Oakdale is the home of a very successful Chocolate
Festival in the summer. Luckily, the chocolate festival will not
disappear, mostly because chocolate is a big industry here in California
and the city leaders hoped that continuing the festival might make the
plant more attractive to another company. Their move was apparently
brilliant. A company is already stepping in to use the Hershey facility
and to help fill in the job blank that Hershey's left.
snippage

Just my little bitch about jobs being outsourced away from hard-working
Americans and endorsement of an American Company.

Cindi

Hershey makes crappy chocolate. If the new company makes good chocolate,
that market is really growing lately. The market for crap chocolate stays
in drugstores.

Hershey is being run by a charitable trust whose main interest is making
money for the trust. IMO people who are only in it fr the money and don't
understand food should not run food companies.

Nestlé bought Perugina some while back and while they have introduced some
premium chocolate choices, they've also grown lax with their day-to-day shop
quality chocolate, to the point where I protested strongly when dark
chocolate I used to make a sauce turned out to have what seemed like paper
in it, and was nuts. Their disclosure "may contain nut residue" was
supposed to placate me. I was never a huge fan of Perugina, but the 500
pound gorilla, Nestlé, like Hershey, wants to keep a big market but cheapen
the product. It's the kind of thing that happens in all areas of food
production and that leads to very bad results in the end. The worst of
these is that people get used to the crap and think it's OK.

"Dave Smith" ha scritto nel messaggio
...
Wayne Boatwright wrote:

When I worked in an IT department at American Express, we were abruptly
notified on a Friday that the entire division was being outsourced to
India
that Friday was out last day of work.


Maybe it is time to start boycotting businesses that have outsourced their
call
centres and support to places like India. The last time I had to call for
support for my internet service I could hardly understand the guy.
Goddammit. I
pushed 1 for English not Hindi. My call took more than twice as long as it
should of because I had to repeat everything I said to him and had to get
him
to repeat everything to me. I am not talking a slight accent. I could not
understand him.

I have never had that happen in all the years that I have relied on
computers and technologies. Many times the operators actually spke better
English than my friends.

On 2008-05-14, Giusi wrote:

money for the trust. IMO people who are only in it fr the money and don't
understand food should not run food companies.

You just destroyed 3/4 of the planet's food companies.

nb

"notbob" ha scritto nel messaggio
...
On 2008-05-14, Giusi wrote:

money for the trust. IMO people who are only in it fr the money and
don't
understand food should not run food companies.

You just destroyed 3/4 of the planet's food companies.

nb

That's fine with me, and I have stock in a few, too. A multinational can
own food companies as long as they let food professionals make the food
decisions.

It's like your kitchen. If for some reason you have a lower budget, you can
still make something good, it just shouldn't pretend to be the something
costly you used to make. That means no more waxy, oversweet and cloying
chocolate fakes. Make fudge and get it over with.

On Tue, 13 May 2008 15:18:01 -0500, Sqwertz
wrote:

Dave Smith wrote:

Maybe it is time to start boycotting businesses that have outsourced their call
centres and support to places like India. The last time I had to call for
support for my internet service I could hardly understand the guy. Goddammit. I
pushed 1 for English not Hindi. My call took more than twice as long as it
should of because I had to repeat everything I said to him and had to get him
to repeat everything to me. I am not talking a slight accent. I could not
understand him.

In a couple years we'll have them eating hamburgers and speaking
perfect English. Hang in there.

-sw

either that or everyone will speak chinese.

your pal,
blake

On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:49:00 -0400, Billy Hereiam@hotmaildotcom
wrote:

On Tue, 13 May 2008 11:48:19 -0700, "Cindi - HappyMamatoThree"
wrote:

Just my little bitch about jobs being outsourced away from hard-working
Americans and endorsement of an American Company.

Thank your local and national government for taxing business out of
this country. You'd think they would wake up and soon.

i think some blame should rest with corporations seeking the lowest
costs and damn the consequences to the country. (i realize they have
a duty to shareholders, but they seem to take more seriously their
duty to c.e.o.'s.)

your pal,
blake

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

I'm not saying that I'm a proponent of HFCS, but just what is it
that people are so up in arms about with it?

Altern Med Rev. 2005 Dec;10(4):294-306.
Adverse effects of dietary fructose.
Gaby AR.

The consumption of fructose, primarily from high-fructose
corn syrup (HFCS), has increased considerably in the United
States during the past several decades. Intake of HFCS may
now exceed that of the other major caloric sweetener,
sucrose. Some nutritionists believe fructose is a safer form
of sugar than sucrose, particularly for people with diabetes
mellitus, because it does not adversely affect blood-glucose
regulation, at least in the short-term. However, fructose has
potentially harmful effects on other aspects of metabolism.
In particular, fructose is a potent reducing sugar that
promotes the formation of toxic advanced glycation end-products,
which appear to play a role in the aging process; in the
pathogenesis of the vascular, renal, and ocular complications
of diabetes; and in the development of atherosclerosis.
Fructose has also been implicated as the main cause of
symptoms in some patients with chronic diarrhea or other
functional bowel disturbances. In addition, excessive fructose
consumption may be responsible in part for the increasing
prevalence of obesity, diabetes mellitus, and non-alcoholic
fatty liver disease. Although the long-term effects of fructose
consumption have not been adequately studied in humans, the
available evidence suggests it may be more harmful than is
generally recognized. The extent to which a person might be
adversely affected by dietary fructose depends both on the
amount consumed and on individual tolerance. With a few
exceptions, the relatively small amounts of fructose that
occur naturally in fruits and vegetables are unlikely to
have deleterious effects, and this review is not meant to
discourage the consumption of these healthful foods.