On Sat, 10 May 2008 13:50:01 -0400, Goomba38
wrote:

cshenk wrote:
"enigma" wrote

furnace & a good sump in the "basement" and rent it out(maybe
make it Section 8), or maybe i'll have the local volunteer FD

Grin, be careful to check the rules on section 8 housing if you were
serious. There are some aspects of it dealing with a tenant with
disabilities (and you have no option to not rent to them) that can cost you
a bundle to adapt a place. Might not be a problem with a single unit
dwelling, but check to be sure first.

And your neighbors might not be too pleased with you either, which of
course is a whole 'nuther bag of worms but has to be said.

*Don't* do section 8. My neighbor did that. The woman had her early
elementary aged kid up at 11PM on school nights and I got to listen to
Mom talk on the phone at all hours of the night because she smoked
outside and yakked when smoking (not loud, but it was practically
underneath my bedroom window). Fortunately, they had a good social
worker so Neighbor was able to move them out easily. She has a
"perfect renter" now that she found through Craig's list.

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*Don't* do section 8. My neighbor did that. The woman had her early
elementary aged kid up at 11PM on school nights and I got to listen to
Mom talk on the phone at all hours of the night because she smoked
outside and yakked when smoking (not loud, but it was practically
underneath my bedroom window). Fortunately, they had a good social
worker so Neighbor was able to move them out easily. She has a
"perfect renter" now that she found through Craig's list.

Over the years I've often thought of buying rental properties as an
investment. Then I see the troubles that come up and it brings me to my
senses. Lots of idiots out there and many deadbeat idiots too.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"sf" . wrote in message
*Don't* do section 8. My neighbor did that. The woman had her early
elementary aged kid up at 11PM on school nights and I got to listen to
Mom talk on the phone at all hours of the night because she smoked
outside and yakked when smoking (not loud, but it was practically
underneath my bedroom window). Fortunately, they had a good social
worker so Neighbor was able to move them out easily. She has a
"perfect renter" now that she found through Craig's list.

Over the years I've often thought of buying rental properties as an
investment. Then I see the troubles that come up and it brings me to my
senses. Lots of idiots out there and many deadbeat idiots too.


I made that mistake many years ago and became a "slum lord" for about
two years. Never, ever, again, too many headaches. Had one family left
in the middle of the night and took the carpet, all the appliances, even
the toilets and the bathtub. Took a month to find them and then put them
in jail. No, no, not ever again.

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote

Over the years I've often thought of buying rental properties as an
investment. Then I see the troubles that come up and it brings me to my
senses. Lots of idiots out there and many deadbeat idiots too.

My ex-inlaws owned a few small apartment buildings. From what
I could tell, they had good tenants. But every weekend we were
over there fixing some stupid thing or another, I swore I'd never
be a landlord if I could help it. What a hassle. The light bulb in
the hallway is out, the kitchen sink is backed up, it was always
something. Not for me.

Forget if you have problem tenants. That's a whole 'nother can of
worms.

nancy

Goomba38 wrote in
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cshenk wrote:
"enigma" wrote

furnace & a good sump in the "basement" and rent it
out(maybe make it Section 8), or maybe i'll have the
local volunteer FD

Grin, be careful to check the rules on section 8 housing
if you were serious. There are some aspects of it dealing
with a tenant with disabilities (and you have no option to
not rent to them) that can cost you a bundle to adapt a
place. Might not be a problem with a single unit
dwelling, but check to be sure first.

And your neighbors might not be too pleased with you
either, which of course is a whole 'nuther bag of worms but
has to be said.

good. then maybe they'd move out & i can add *their*
house/lot back to mine
the other set of neighbors is a mile from these two houses on
the other side of my property. of course, i've been
threatening putting pigs in the newly logged section next to
their property line... (seriously though, it's more likely to
be planted to nut trees).
lee
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"DK" wrote in message
Obviously not, silly. But they want you to run out and spend that
"stimulus", like that's going to help anyone do anything but get into
debt.
Sheesh.


How would receiving a check get anyone into debt? Since you have to have
an income you must be jealous.


Actually, it will get some people into debt. I have a $1200 check so lets
get that $3000 TV.



That would mean you have a problem budgeting yourself and you would have
the same problem every time you received your paycheck.

sf . wrote in
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On Sat, 10 May 2008 13:50:01 -0400, Goomba38
wrote:

cshenk wrote:
"enigma" wrote

furnace & a good sump in the "basement" and rent it
out(maybe make it Section 8), or maybe i'll have the
local volunteer FD

Grin, be careful to check the rules on section 8 housing
if you were serious. There are some aspects of it
dealing with a tenant with disabilities (and you have no
option to not rent to them) that can cost you a bundle to
adapt a place. Might not be a problem with a single unit
dwelling, but check to be sure first.

And your neighbors might not be too pleased with you
either, which of course is a whole 'nuther bag of worms but
has to be said.

*Don't* do section 8. My neighbor did that. The woman had
her early elementary aged kid up at 11PM on school nights
and I got to listen to Mom talk on the phone at all hours
of the night because she smoked outside and yakked when
smoking (not loud, but it was practically underneath my
bedroom window). Fortunately, they had a good social
worker so Neighbor was able to move them out easily. She
has a "perfect renter" now that she found through Craig's
list.

they're nowhere near my house. i have 62 acres (well, 64
now). i don't care if they drive the house next to them buggy
(which i've heard wouldn't be very hard to do), because i want
to buy that one too.
i actually intended it for my older brother to live in, but
he's not sure he wants to live so far out from where his
doctor is. no biggie. i have a housemate i'd be more than
happy to boot over there so i can have my parlor back. he'd
still be close enough to take care of the livestock when we're
away

lee
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The host resolved to NSA.

"DK" wrote in message
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"DK" wrote in message
Obviously not, silly. But they want you to run out and spend that
"stimulus", like that's going to help anyone do anything but get into
debt.
Sheesh.


How would receiving a check get anyone into debt? Since you have to
have an income you must be jealous.


Actually, it will get some people into debt. I have a $1200 check so
lets get that $3000 TV.

That would mean you have a problem budgeting yourself and you would have
the same problem every time you received your paycheck.


And many people do exactly that.

On Sat, 10 May 2008 13:05:07 -0400, "cshenk" wrote:

"enigma" wrote

furnace & a good sump in the "basement" and rent it out(maybe
make it Section 8), or maybe i'll have the local volunteer FD

Grin, be careful to check the rules on section 8 housing if you were
serious. There are some aspects of it dealing with a tenant with
disabilities (and you have no option to not rent to them) that can cost you
a bundle to adapt a place. Might not be a problem with a single unit
dwelling, but check to be sure first.


it will certainly have to be up to code, but i'm not sure if it *must*
be handicapped-friendly. (there may be some kind of grandfather
clause.) but do check it out before turning the fire dept. loose on
it - most housing authorities badly need the units.

your pal,
blake

On Sat, 10 May 2008 11:12:30 -0700, sf . wrote:

On Sat, 10 May 2008 13:50:01 -0400, Goomba38
wrote:

cshenk wrote:
"enigma" wrote

furnace & a good sump in the "basement" and rent it out(maybe
make it Section 8), or maybe i'll have the local volunteer FD

Grin, be careful to check the rules on section 8 housing if you were
serious. There are some aspects of it dealing with a tenant with
disabilities (and you have no option to not rent to them) that can cost you
a bundle to adapt a place. Might not be a problem with a single unit
dwelling, but check to be sure first.

And your neighbors might not be too pleased with you either, which of
course is a whole 'nuther bag of worms but has to be said.

*Don't* do section 8. My neighbor did that. The woman had her early
elementary aged kid up at 11PM on school nights and I got to listen to
Mom talk on the phone at all hours of the night because she smoked
outside and yakked when smoking (not loud, but it was practically
underneath my bedroom window). Fortunately, they had a good social
worker so Neighbor was able to move them out easily. She has a
"perfect renter" now that she found through Craig's list.

section 8 renters are like any other group - some good, some bad.
lee, don't succumb to fear of poor people.

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" wrote

section 8 renters are like any other group - some good, some bad.
lee, don't succumb to fear of poor people.

True, but I still advise checking the rules carefully. You as the owner are
more limited in several ways if you go that route. In the interests of
'protecting the tenants from evil owners' they've added some extra rules
that can be both expensive on the owner, and difficult. Apparently
terminating a lease with a bad section8 tenant can be very difficult.

Had a problem once long ago related. Mixed housing, some was section 8 (not
sure if they still mix them like that or not). Critically, the apartment
next to me. Hard of Hearing section 8 fellow. Would run TV, Stereo,
everything full blast. Problem was I worked nights and he couldnt be
required to tone it down during the day? I moved to another apartment in
the same complex. That previous unit stayed unrented or short term (like 2
weeks) only until a year later he converted it to section 8 as well, then
the fur started to fly. Perfectly decent family of 3 who were on hard times
with a new baby. The noise-maker was moved to another complex. He wasnt a
bad person, but he didnt belong in other than a single dwelling. I remember
a bunch of us helping him move. My *impression* was that the owner was
responsible for his cost of moving (due to the circumstances) so a bunch of
us teamed up to do it with a rental U-haul the owner had gotten for the day.
Maybe the owner was just being nice though.

Were the section 8 tenants good ones? Normally yes. But you got some
severe oddballs as well like the guy who went around with twists of tin foil
in his ears and had a shrine in his house to okra (I kid you not). It would
have been funny except he was very scarey and pretty sure he was dangerous.
They couldnt get rid of him either for a long time. Section 8 disability
under mental instability clauses. He had to actually be caught doing
something dangerous apparently, for them to get rid of him. Dunno, I moved
to Hawaii before that happened.

I don't know if the rules have changed, but it would be smart to check
first. My impressions were once you went section8, you didnt have the same
options to pick and choose your tenants much.

cshenk wrote:
"blake murphy" wrote

section 8 renters are like any other group - some good, some bad.
lee, don't succumb to fear of poor people.

True, but I still advise checking the rules carefully. You as the owner are
more limited in several ways if you go that route. In the interests of
'protecting the tenants from evil owners' they've added some extra rules
that can be both expensive on the owner, and difficult. Apparently
terminating a lease with a bad section8 tenant can be very difficult.

I have no clue about section 8 laws, but different states are more or
less landlord friendly. The townhouses we rented out in Virginia Beach
were a PITA to deal with when tenants didn't pay their rent or trashed
the place. It was shocking to me how so many who don't feel any
responsibility or ownership for a place could live like pigs and not
feel any shame about the damage they caused! Virginia was far too
generous with time the tenant could be a slug, unlike Georgia which is
more landlord friendly.

Goomba38 wrote:

cshenk wrote:
"enigma" wrote

furnace & a good sump in the "basement" and rent it out(maybe
make it Section 8), or maybe i'll have the local volunteer FD

Grin, be careful to check the rules on section 8 housing if you were
serious. *There are some aspects of it dealing with a tenant with
disabilities (and you have no option to not rent to them) that can cost you
a bundle to adapt a place. *Might not be a problem with a single unit
dwelling, but check to be sure first.

And your neighbors might not be too pleased with you either, which of
course is a whole 'nuther bag of worms but has to be said.


Lemme tell ya, Section 8 tenants are BAD NEWS...you DO NOT want to
"rent" to someone who is too poor and lazy too even afford to pay rent
at local market rates...

Here in Chicawgo the Housing Authority has torn down a lot of the
ghetto high - rises (the most infamous being Cabrini - Green) and
replaced them with "mixed income" housing. These are nice units,
primarily of the town house variety. Some are sold at market rates,
others are rented out to the former ghetto tenants via Section 8.
Those that have paid market rates for their units have nothing but
complaints about the trashy Section 8 renters, they are trashy, dirty,
deal drugs, etc...and they bring down the values of the surrounding
properties.


Look at a Section 8 tenant and you'll see NOTHING but TROUBLE...and
it's very, VERY difficult to take action against them, almost
impossible to evict them, even for non - payment of even the paltry
rent that they pay. Section 8 tenants are deadbeats, pure and
simple...


There *are* folks who are need in low - cost housing, e.g. those with
disabilities, some seniors, etc. But there is no reason for an able -
bodied person of working age to suck off the welfare teat for
something like the Section 8 program...


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sf wrote:

On Sat, 10 May 2008 13:50:01 -0400, Goomba38
wrote:

cshenk wrote:
"enigma" wrote

furnace & a good sump in the "basement" and rent it out(maybe
make it Section 8), or maybe i'll have the local volunteer FD

Grin, be careful to check the rules on section 8 housing if you were
serious. *There are some aspects of it dealing with a tenant with
disabilities (and you have no option to not rent to them) that can cost you
a bundle to adapt a place. *Might not be a problem with a single unit
dwelling, but check to be sure first.

And your neighbors might not be too pleased with you either, which of
course is a whole 'nuther bag of worms but has to be said.

*Don't* do section 8. *My neighbor did that. *The woman had her early
elementary aged kid up at 11PM on school nights and I got to listen to
Mom talk on the phone at all hours of the night because she smoked
outside and yakked when smoking (not loud, but it was practically
underneath my bedroom window). *Fortunately, they had a good social
worker so Neighbor was able to move them out easily. *She has a
"perfect renter" now that she found through Craig's list.


Yep, these days about the only people that qualify for Section 8
vouchers are "families", e.g. single women with numerous ankle -
biters...they'll more often than not have a large "extended" family
living with them, e.g. various "cousins", boyfriends, etc. All *very*
bad news...

Most landlords will not participate in the Section 8 program, it's a
gigantor PITA on all accounts...decent neighborhoods don't want
Section 8 trash, either.


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blake murphy wrote:

On Sat, 10 May 2008 11:12:30 -0700, sf . wrote:
On Sat, 10 May 2008 13:50:01 -0400, Goomba38
wrote:

cshenk wrote:
"enigma" wrote

furnace & a good sump in the "basement" and rent it out(maybe
make it Section 8), or maybe i'll have the local volunteer FD

Grin, be careful to check the rules on section 8 housing if you were
serious. *There are some aspects of it dealing with a tenant with
disabilities (and you have no option to not rent to them) that can cost you
a bundle to adapt a place. *Might not be a problem with a single unit
dwelling, but check to be sure first.

And your neighbors might not be too pleased with you either, which of
course is a whole 'nuther bag of worms but has to be said.

*Don't* do section 8. *My neighbor did that. *The woman had her early
elementary aged kid up at 11PM on school nights and I got to listen to
Mom talk on the phone at all hours of the night because she smoked
outside and yakked when smoking (not loud, but it was practically
underneath my bedroom window). *Fortunately, they had a good social
worker so Neighbor was able to move them out easily. *She has a
"perfect renter" now that she found through Craig's list.

section 8 renters are like any other group - some good, some bad.
lee, don't succumb to fear of poor people.


So why not put your money where your mouth is and move to some DC
ghetto paradise like Anacostia, dumbass...instead you pontificate from
your nice white DC collar suburb. Typical LIEberal bullshitter,
lol...

No one in their right mind would *choose* to be poor, much less *live*
amongst poor people...

Sheesh...


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