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A MUST READ, very educational for your wife, daughter, sister friends etc.!
Because of recent abductions in daylight hours, refresh yourself of these things to do in an emergency situation... This is for you, and for you to share with your wife, your children, everyone you know. After reading these 9 crucial tips , forward them to someone you care about. It never hurts to be careful in this crazy world we live in. 1 Tip from Tae Kwon Do : The elbow is the strongest point on your body. If you are close enough to use it, do! 2. Learned this from a tourist guide in New Orleans... If a robber asks for your wallet and/or purse, DO NOT HAND IT TO HIM. Toss it away from you.... chances are that he is more interested in your wallet and/or purse than you, and he will go for the wallet/purse. RUN LIKE MAD IN THE OTHER DIRECTION! 3. If you are ever thrown into the trunk of a car, kick out the back tail lights and stick your arm out the hole and start waving like crazy. The driver won't see you, but everybody else will. This has saved lives. 4. Women have a tendency to get into their cars after shopping, eating, working, etc., and just sit (doing their cheque book, or making a list, etc....DON'T DO THIS!) The predator will be watching you, and this is the perfect opportunity for him to get in on the passenger side, put a gun to your head, and tell you where to go. AS SOON AS YOU GET INTO YOUR CAR , LOCK THE DOORS AND LEAVE. If someone is in the car with a gun to your head DO NOT DRIVE OFF, repeat: DO NOT DRIVE OFF! Instead gun the engine and speed into anything, wrecking the car. Your Air Bag will save you. If the person is in the back seat they will get the worst of it . As soon as the car crashes bail out and run. It is better than having them find your body in a remote location. 5 . A few notes about getting into your car in a parking lot, or parking garage: A.) Be awa look around you, look into your car, at the passenger side floor , and in the back seat. B.) If you are parked next to a big van, enter your car from the passenger door. Most serial killers attack their victims by pulling them into their vans while the women are attempting to get into their cars. C.) Look at the car parked on the driver's side of your vehicle, and the passenger side.. If a male is sitting alone in the seat nearest your car, you may want to walk back into the mall, or work, and get a guard/policeman to walk you back out. IT IS ALWAYS BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN SORRY. (And better paranoid than dead.) 6. ALWAYS take the elevator instead of the stairs. (Stairwells are horrible places to be alone and the perfect crime spot. This is especially true at NIGHT!) 7. If the predator has a gun and you are not under his control, ALWAYS RUN! ...The predator will only hit you (a running target) 4 in 100 times; And even then, it most likely WILL NOT be a vital organ. RUN, Preferably in a zig -zag pattern! 8. As women, we are always trying to be sympathetic: STOP...It may get you raped, or killed. Ted Bundy, the serial killer, was a good-looking, well educated man, who ALWAYS played on the sympathies of unsuspecting women. He walked with a cane, or a limp, and often asked 'for help' into his vehicle or with his vehicle, which is when he abducted his next victim. 9. Another Safety Point: Someone just told me that her friend heard a crying baby on her porch the night before last, and she called the police because it was late and she thought it was weird. The police told her ...'Whatever you do, DO NOT open the door.' The lady then said that it sounded like the baby had crawled near a window, and she was worried that it would crawl to the street and get run over. The policeman said, 'We already have a unit on the way, whatever you do, DO NOT open the door.' He told her that they think a serial killer has a baby's cry recorded and uses it to coax women out of their homes thinking that someone dropped off a baby He said they have not verified it, but have had several calls by women saying that they hear baby's cries outside their doors when they're home alone at night. Please pass this on and DO NOT open the door for a crying baby ---- This e-mail should probably be taken seriously because the Crying Baby theory was mentioned on America 's Most Wanted this past Saturday when they profiled the serial killer in Louisiana Forward this to all the women you know. It may save a life. A candle is not dimmed by lighting another candle I was going to send this to the ladies only, but guys, if you love your mothers, wives, sisters, daughters, etc., you may want to pass it onto them, as well. Send this to any woman (or man) you know that may need to be reminded that the world we live in has a lot of crazies in it and it's better to be safe than sorry.. Bigbazza (Barry) Oz |
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"Bigbazza" wrote in message ... A MUST READ, very educational for your wife, daughter, sister friends etc.! Because of recent abductions in daylight hours, refresh yourself of these things to do in an emergency situation... This is for you, and for you to share with your wife, your children, everyone you know. After reading these 9 crucial tips , forward them to someone you care about. It never hurts to be careful in this crazy world we live in. 1 Tip from Tae Kwon Do : The elbow is the strongest point on your body. If you are close enough to use it, do! 2. Learned this from a tourist guide in New Orleans... If a robber asks for your wallet and/or purse, DO NOT HAND IT TO HIM. Toss it away from you.... chances are that he is more interested in your wallet and/or purse than you, and he will go for the wallet/purse. RUN LIKE MAD IN THE OTHER DIRECTION! 3. If you are ever thrown into the trunk of a car, kick out the back tail lights and stick your arm out the hole and start waving like crazy. The driver won't see you, but everybody else will. This has saved lives. 4. Women have a tendency to get into their cars after shopping, eating, working, etc., and just sit (doing their cheque book, or making a list, etc....DON'T DO THIS!) The predator will be watching you, and this is the perfect opportunity for him to get in on the passenger side, put a gun to your head, and tell you where to go. AS SOON AS YOU GET INTO YOUR CAR , LOCK THE DOORS AND LEAVE. If someone is in the car with a gun to your head DO NOT DRIVE OFF, repeat: DO NOT DRIVE OFF! Instead gun the engine and speed into anything, wrecking the car. Your Air Bag will save you. If the person is in the back seat they will get the worst of it . As soon as the car crashes bail out and run. It is better than having them find your body in a remote location. 5 . A few notes about getting into your car in a parking lot, or parking garage: A.) Be awa look around you, look into your car, at the passenger side floor , and in the back seat. B.) If you are parked next to a big van, enter your car from the passenger door. Most serial killers attack their victims by pulling them into their vans while the women are attempting to get into their cars. C.) Look at the car parked on the driver's side of your vehicle, and the passenger side.. If a male is sitting alone in the seat nearest your car, you may want to walk back into the mall, or work, and get a guard/policeman to walk you back out. IT IS ALWAYS BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN SORRY. (And better paranoid than dead.) 6. ALWAYS take the elevator instead of the stairs. (Stairwells are horrible places to be alone and the perfect crime spot. This is especially true at NIGHT!) 7. If the predator has a gun and you are not under his control, ALWAYS RUN! ..The predator will only hit you (a running target) 4 in 100 times; And even then, it most likely WILL NOT be a vital organ. RUN, Preferably in a zig -zag pattern! 8. As women, we are always trying to be sympathetic: STOP...It may get you raped, or killed. Ted Bundy, the serial killer, was a good-looking, well educated man, who ALWAYS played on the sympathies of unsuspecting women. He walked with a cane, or a limp, and often asked 'for help' into his vehicle or with his vehicle, which is when he abducted his next victim. 9. Another Safety Point: Someone just told me that her friend heard a crying baby on her porch the night before last, and she called the police because it was late and she thought it was weird. The police told her ...'Whatever you do, DO NOT open the door.' The lady then said that it sounded like the baby had crawled near a window, and she was worried that it would crawl to the street and get run over. The policeman said, 'We already have a unit on the way, whatever you do, DO NOT open the door.' He told her that they think a serial killer has a baby's cry recorded and uses it to coax women out of their homes thinking that someone dropped off a baby He said they have not verified it, but have had several calls by women saying that they hear baby's cries outside their doors when they're home alone at night. Please pass this on and DO NOT open the door for a crying baby ---- This e-mail should probably be taken seriously because the Crying Baby theory was mentioned on America 's Most Wanted this past Saturday when they profiled the serial killer in Louisiana Forward this to all the women you know. It may save a life. A candle is not dimmed by lighting another candle I was going to send this to the ladies only, but guys, if you love your mothers, wives, sisters, daughters, etc., you may want to pass it onto them, as well. Send this to any woman (or man) you know that may need to be reminded that the world we live in has a lot of crazies in it and it's better to be safe than sorry.. Bigbazza (Barry) Oz I know it's better to be safe than sorry, but the crying baby thing is a hoax http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/crybaby.asp |
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Bigbazza wrote:
A MUST READ, very educational for your wife, daughter, sister friends etc.! It never hurts to be careful in this crazy world we live in. 1 Tip from Tae Kwon Do : The elbow is the strongest point on your body. If you are close enough to use it, do! 2. Learned this from a tourist guide in New Orleans... If a robber asks for your wallet and/or purse, DO NOT HAND IT TO HIM. Toss it away from you.... chances are that he is more interested in your wallet and/or purse than you, and he will go for the wallet/purse. RUN LIKE MAD IN THE OTHER DIRECTION! 3. If you are ever thrown into the trunk of a car, kick out the back tail lights and stick your arm out the hole and start waving like crazy. Most cars these days have a safety latch on the inside of the trunk so you can't be locked in. Doesn't help if you can't reach it or if the car is an older model. 4. Women have a tendency to get into their cars after shopping, eating, working, etc., and just sit (doing their cheque book, or making a list, etc We do?! That's funny, the first thing I do when I get in my car is lock the door, start the engine, put on my seat belt and drive off. I've never sat in my car doing the things described above. 5 . A few notes about getting into your car in a parking lot, or parking garage: A.) Be awa look around you, look into your car, at the passenger side floor , and in the back seat. True. B.) If you are parked next to a big van, enter your car from the passenger door. I never purposely park next to a van (or a big truck). This is definitely something to be cautious about. Never fails I'll come out of a store and find myself hemmed in by one or the other, though. C.) Look at the car parked on the driver's side of your vehicle, and the passenger side.. If a male is sitting alone in the seat nearest your car, you may want to walk back into the mall, or work, and get a guard/policeman to walk you back out. A good tip. A guard or policeman may not be around but you may want to ask a store employee (like the "bag boy" at the grocery store) to walk out with you. There's safety in numbers. 8. As women, we are always trying to be sympathetic: STOP...It may get you raped, or killed. Most people here will tell you, I'm not all that sympathetic LOL Ted Bundy, the serial killer, was a good-looking, well educated man, who ALWAYS played on the sympathies of unsuspecting women. True. Most of his victims were college girls, often around college campuses. It IS important to tell young, impressionable women to exercise a lot of caution. Travel in packs (so to speak) when possible. He walked with a cane, or a limp, and often asked 'for help' into his vehicle or with his vehicle, which is when he abducted his next victim. I'll hit him with my cane ![]() 9. Another Safety Point: Someone just told me that her friend heard a crying baby on her porch the night before last, and she called the police because it was late and she thought it was weird. The police told her ...'Whatever you do, DO NOT open the door.' Not true. MG posted the link to snopes dispelling this myth. Jill |
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"MG" wrote in message ... "Bigbazza" wrote in message ... A MUST READ, very educational for your wife, daughter, sister friends etc.! Because of recent abductions in daylight hours, refresh yourself of these things to do in an emergency situation... This is for you, and for you to share with your wife, your children, everyone you know. After reading these 9 crucial tips , forward them to someone you care about. It never hurts to be careful in this crazy world we live in. 1 Tip from Tae Kwon Do : The elbow is the strongest point on your body. If you are close enough to use it, do! 2. Learned this from a tourist guide in New Orleans... If a robber asks for your wallet and/or purse, DO NOT HAND IT TO HIM. Toss it away from you.... chances are that he is more interested in your wallet and/or purse than you, and he will go for the wallet/purse. RUN LIKE MAD IN THE OTHER DIRECTION! 3. If you are ever thrown into the trunk of a car, kick out the back tail lights and stick your arm out the hole and start waving like crazy. The driver won't see you, but everybody else will. This has saved lives. 4. Women have a tendency to get into their cars after shopping, eating, working, etc., and just sit (doing their cheque book, or making a list, etc....DON'T DO THIS!) The predator will be watching you, and this is the perfect opportunity for him to get in on the passenger side, put a gun to your head, and tell you where to go. AS SOON AS YOU GET INTO YOUR CAR , LOCK THE DOORS AND LEAVE. If someone is in the car with a gun to your head DO NOT DRIVE OFF, repeat: DO NOT DRIVE OFF! Instead gun the engine and speed into anything, wrecking the car. Your Air Bag will save you. If the person is in the back seat they will get the worst of it . As soon as the car crashes bail out and run. It is better than having them find your body in a remote location. 5 . A few notes about getting into your car in a parking lot, or parking garage: A.) Be awa look around you, look into your car, at the passenger side floor , and in the back seat. B.) If you are parked next to a big van, enter your car from the passenger door. Most serial killers attack their victims by pulling them into their vans while the women are attempting to get into their cars. C.) Look at the car parked on the driver's side of your vehicle, and the passenger side.. If a male is sitting alone in the seat nearest your car, you may want to walk back into the mall, or work, and get a guard/policeman to walk you back out. IT IS ALWAYS BETTER TO BE SAFE THAN SORRY. (And better paranoid than dead.) 6. ALWAYS take the elevator instead of the stairs. (Stairwells are horrible places to be alone and the perfect crime spot. This is especially true at NIGHT!) 7. If the predator has a gun and you are not under his control, ALWAYS RUN! ..The predator will only hit you (a running target) 4 in 100 times; And even then, it most likely WILL NOT be a vital organ. RUN, Preferably in a zig -zag pattern! 8. As women, we are always trying to be sympathetic: STOP...It may get you raped, or killed. Ted Bundy, the serial killer, was a good-looking, well educated man, who ALWAYS played on the sympathies of unsuspecting women. He walked with a cane, or a limp, and often asked 'for help' into his vehicle or with his vehicle, which is when he abducted his next victim. 9. Another Safety Point: Someone just told me that her friend heard a crying baby on her porch the night before last, and she called the police because it was late and she thought it was weird. The police told her ...'Whatever you do, DO NOT open the door.' The lady then said that it sounded like the baby had crawled near a window, and she was worried that it would crawl to the street and get run over. The policeman said, 'We already have a unit on the way, whatever you do, DO NOT open the door.' He told her that they think a serial killer has a baby's cry recorded and uses it to coax women out of their homes thinking that someone dropped off a baby He said they have not verified it, but have had several calls by women saying that they hear baby's cries outside their doors when they're home alone at night. Please pass this on and DO NOT open the door for a crying baby ---- This e-mail should probably be taken seriously because the Crying Baby theory was mentioned on America 's Most Wanted this past Saturday when they profiled the serial killer in Louisiana Forward this to all the women you know. It may save a life. A candle is not dimmed by lighting another candle I was going to send this to the ladies only, but guys, if you love your mothers, wives, sisters, daughters, etc., you may want to pass it onto them, as well. Send this to any woman (or man) you know that may need to be reminded that the world we live in has a lot of crazies in it and it's better to be safe than sorry.. Bigbazza (Barry) Oz I know it's better to be safe than sorry, but the crying baby thing is a hoax I wish somebody would try to snatch me. Come on, punk. Make my day. *cackle* |
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"jmcquown" wrote in message ... Bigbazza wrote: A MUST READ, very educational for your wife, daughter, sister friends etc.! It never hurts to be careful in this crazy world we live in. 1 Tip from Tae Kwon Do : The elbow is the strongest point on your body. If you are close enough to use it, do! 2. Learned this from a tourist guide in New Orleans... If a robber asks for your wallet and/or purse, DO NOT HAND IT TO HIM. Toss it away from you.... chances are that he is more interested in your wallet and/or purse than you, and he will go for the wallet/purse. RUN LIKE MAD IN THE OTHER DIRECTION! 3. If you are ever thrown into the trunk of a car, kick out the back tail lights and stick your arm out the hole and start waving like crazy. Most cars these days have a safety latch on the inside of the trunk so you can't be locked in. Doesn't help if you can't reach it or if the car is an older model. 4. Women have a tendency to get into their cars after shopping, eating, working, etc., and just sit (doing their cheque book, or making a list, etc We do?! That's funny, the first thing I do when I get in my car is lock the door, start the engine, put on my seat belt and drive off. I've never sat in my car doing the things described above. 5 . A few notes about getting into your car in a parking lot, or parking garage: A.) Be awa look around you, look into your car, at the passenger side floor , and in the back seat. True. B.) If you are parked next to a big van, enter your car from the passenger door. I never purposely park next to a van (or a big truck). This is definitely something to be cautious about. Never fails I'll come out of a store and find myself hemmed in by one or the other, though. C.) Look at the car parked on the driver's side of your vehicle, and the passenger side.. If a male is sitting alone in the seat nearest your car, you may want to walk back into the mall, or work, and get a guard/policeman to walk you back out. A good tip. A guard or policeman may not be around but you may want to ask a store employee (like the "bag boy" at the grocery store) to walk out with you. There's safety in numbers. 8. As women, we are always trying to be sympathetic: STOP...It may get you raped, or killed. Most people here will tell you, I'm not all that sympathetic LOL Ted Bundy, the serial killer, was a good-looking, well educated man, who ALWAYS played on the sympathies of unsuspecting women. True. Most of his victims were college girls, often around college campuses. It IS important to tell young, impressionable women to exercise a lot of caution. Travel in packs (so to speak) when possible. He walked with a cane, or a limp, and often asked 'for help' into his vehicle or with his vehicle, which is when he abducted his next victim. I'll hit him with my cane ![]() 9. Another Safety Point: Someone just told me that her friend heard a crying baby on her porch the night before last, and she called the police because it was late and she thought it was weird. The police told her ...'Whatever you do, DO NOT open the door.' Not true. MG posted the link to snopes dispelling this myth. Jill So, if one part, about the baby crying is untrue, Jill, Does it make the rest of the things to be treated the same way?, as bad advice? It sounds pretty good advice to me, the rest of it then, don't you think so?..... I am not 'trying' to score points by posting this, that a friend sent me... SO, one part is not true, so what?, Ignore the rest?..By all means do, at your own peril then! Bigbazza (Barry) Oz |
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Bigbazza wrote:
"jmcquown" wrote in message ... Bigbazza wrote: A MUST READ, very educational for your wife, daughter, sister friends etc.! It never hurts to be careful in this crazy world we live in. 1 Tip from Tae Kwon Do : The elbow is the strongest point on your body. If you are close enough to use it, do! 2. Learned this from a tourist guide in New Orleans... If a robber asks for your wallet and/or purse, DO NOT HAND IT TO HIM. Toss it away from you.... chances are that he is more interested in your wallet and/or purse than you, and he will go for the wallet/purse. RUN LIKE MAD IN THE OTHER DIRECTION! 3. If you are ever thrown into the trunk of a car, kick out the back tail lights and stick your arm out the hole and start waving like crazy. Most cars these days have a safety latch on the inside of the trunk so you can't be locked in. Doesn't help if you can't reach it or if the car is an older model. 4. Women have a tendency to get into their cars after shopping, eating, working, etc., and just sit (doing their cheque book, or making a list, etc We do?! That's funny, the first thing I do when I get in my car is lock the door, start the engine, put on my seat belt and drive off. I've never sat in my car doing the things described above. 5 . A few notes about getting into your car in a parking lot, or parking garage: A.) Be awa look around you, look into your car, at the passenger side floor , and in the back seat. True. B.) If you are parked next to a big van, enter your car from the passenger door. I never purposely park next to a van (or a big truck). This is definitely something to be cautious about. Never fails I'll come out of a store and find myself hemmed in by one or the other, though. C.) Look at the car parked on the driver's side of your vehicle, and the passenger side.. If a male is sitting alone in the seat nearest your car, you may want to walk back into the mall, or work, and get a guard/policeman to walk you back out. A good tip. A guard or policeman may not be around but you may want to ask a store employee (like the "bag boy" at the grocery store) to walk out with you. There's safety in numbers. 8. As women, we are always trying to be sympathetic: STOP...It may get you raped, or killed. Most people here will tell you, I'm not all that sympathetic LOL Ted Bundy, the serial killer, was a good-looking, well educated man, who ALWAYS played on the sympathies of unsuspecting women. True. Most of his victims were college girls, often around college campuses. It IS important to tell young, impressionable women to exercise a lot of caution. Travel in packs (so to speak) when possible. He walked with a cane, or a limp, and often asked 'for help' into his vehicle or with his vehicle, which is when he abducted his next victim. I'll hit him with my cane ![]() 9. Another Safety Point: Someone just told me that her friend heard a crying baby on her porch the night before last, and she called the police because it was late and she thought it was weird. The police told her ...'Whatever you do, DO NOT open the door.' Not true. MG posted the link to snopes dispelling this myth. Jill So, if one part, about the baby crying is untrue, Jill, Does it make the rest of the things to be treated the same way?, as bad advice? It sounds pretty good advice to me, the rest of it then, don't you think so?..... I am not 'trying' to score points by posting this, that a friend sent me... SO, one part is not true, so what?, Ignore the rest?..By all means do, at your own peril then! Bigbazza (Barry) Oz Did you actually read the parts where I agreed with most of your post? Or did you just focus on the one thing? Jill |
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So, if one part, about the baby crying is untrue, Jill, Does it make the rest of the things to be treated the same way?, as bad advice? It sounds pretty good advice to me, the rest of it then, don't you think so?..... I am not 'trying' to score points by posting this, that a friend sent me... SO, one part is not true, so what?, Ignore the rest?..By all means do, at your own peril then! Bigbazza (Barry) Oz Did you actually read the parts where I agreed with most of your post? Or did you just focus on the one thing? Jill was just about to post the same statement, you beat me to it Jill just as I didn't say anything about the other "warnings" as most of these are common sense, not that common sense is all that common |
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"jmcquown" wrote in
: Did you actually read the parts where I agreed with most of your post? Or did you just focus on the one thing? Do you actually know how to crop a damn post, or are you just too goddam lazy to do so? Lift your game, woman. -- Peter Lucas Brisbane Australia You will travel through the valley of rejection; you will reside in the land of morning mists...and you will find your home, though it will not be where you left it. |
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Cats challenging each other to a fight are often mistaken for a human crying baby. It's really eerie, how real they sound. Or sometimes, it's just one cat wanting to howl. Just FYI. N. |
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"Nancy2" wrote Cats challenging each other to a fight are often mistaken for a human crying baby. It's really eerie, how real they sound. That just happened to me a week ago! I thought, who has a crying baby?? Then I found out that noise was my cat, who I didn't know was outside for her morning survey of the back yard, telling some cat to get lost on the other side of the fence! Eerie is right. Never heard her sound like that. nancy |
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PeterLucas wrote:
"jmcquown" wrote in : Did you actually read the parts where I agreed with most of your post? Or did you just focus on the one thing? Do you actually know how to crop a damn post, or are you just too goddam lazy to do so? Lift your game, woman. I cropped a lot of stuff from the original post when I replied the first time. Second time around I left it in so Barry could read it again, because it appeared he needed to. Jill |
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Nancy2 wrote:
Cats challenging each other to a fight are often mistaken for a human crying baby. It's really eerie, how real they sound. Or sometimes, it's just one cat wanting to howl. Just FYI. N. That's so true! And I don't run outside every time I hear a sound like that. Nor do I call the police. The suspicious thing regarding debunking the "crying baby" thing is if the woman *really* thought there was a baby outside she'd probably have just opened the door and looked. Don't you think? Or would she call the police first and have to have someone tell her repeatedly not to open the door? Doesn't make sense to me. To further debunk, as Snopes pointed out, if that ruse was used by a serial killer to lure women outside it would have been blasted all over the news. That's not the kind of detail the cops would keep from the public. Jill |
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"jmcquown" wrote in
: Do you actually know how to crop a damn post, or are you just too goddam lazy to do so? Lift your game, woman. I cropped a lot of stuff from the original post when I replied the first time. Second time around I left it in so Barry could read it again, because it appeared he needed to. There's probably a lot of people on here that pay for each and every Kb/Mb that they have to download to view something. It took me all of about 15secs to come up with this...... which you could have used in your reply to Barry, rather than quote approx 115 lines of previously repeated stuff.... http://tinyurl.com/649ewf Once again......... lift your game, woman, and have some consideration of others. Or you might just find yourself in a whole lot of killfiles...... as I have done with several of my 'mates', because they do exactly the same thing as you. -- Peter Lucas Brisbane Australia You will travel through the valley of rejection; you will reside in the land of morning mists...and you will find your home, though it will not be where you left it. |
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PeterLucas wrote:
"jmcquown" wrote in : There's probably a lot of people on here that pay for each and every Kb/Mb that they have to download to view something. Damn, are that many people are still a pay per hour/dialup service? http://tinyurl.com/649ewf Yeah, but you're not Barry. My point was he didn't bother to read that I mostly agreed with him. You think he's gonna Google for it? I don't! Once again......... lift your game, woman, and have some consideration of others. I'll try, thank you. Jill |
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PeterLucas wrote:
"jmcquown" wrote in : Do you actually know how to crop a damn post, or are you just too goddam lazy to do so? Why single me out? I wasn't the only one who didn't crop as much as you'd like. Just curious. Jill |