On Apr 9, 10:55*pm, ChattyCathy wrote:
Dave Smith wrote:
Golden One wrote:

Remember, the Africans treated each other *horribly* LONG before the
colonial powers arrived. *Who was it that sold their brethren into
slavery, frex...??? *And on what continent does human slavery not only
still exist, but is *thriving*...???
I have had a bit of a laugh at the huge blanket coverage in this
thread. This comment is not only pointed at you, but also all others
who keep spouting about conditions in "Africa".

Africa consists of over 50 countries, some better than others. Your
comment above about Africans treating each other horribly is
meaningless unless you are going to specify which Africans. Was it sub-
saharan Africa, western Africa, northern Africa?

It is so widespread that you can have examples from any of those regions.. *Up
in the north you have the ongoing *problem in *Darfur. In the last decade or
so there have been problems in Rwanda, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Ethiopia,
Somalia, Niger and Mali. *Even in the countries that are not engaged in war,
there are bands of armed thugs roaming the countryside, usually the remnants
of a former army who steal and murder. *There is widespread famine, not
because of flood or drought, but because it is not save for farmers to work
their fields or to get their crops to market.

For a look at what the right people and democratic government can
achieve in Africa, take a look at Botswana.

It does indeed have a fast growing economy, though it still lags far behind
the industrial world. It also has a rapidly decreasing average life span,
mostly due to a massive AIDS epidemic, with close to 30% of the country
infected with HIV. Count on that taking a huge bite out of their growing
economy.

Dave,

Little bit of trivia about Botswana - 25 years ago a very close friend
of mine and his wife were very keen to go and work there, as there were
some very lucrative jobs that paid well (in US$). However, *when he made
inquiries about moving there through their Embassy in RSA, he was
informed by an official at the Embassy that white men would be granted
work permits for 2 or 3 years at a time - but no permanent residence
would be granted *- and although white woman were welcome to accompany
their spouses on these 'contracts', they would not be granted work
permits at all. Needless to say they didn't go when he found that out,
as his wife was not one of those 'anyone for tennis types'.. Things may
well have changed since then, I haven't bothered to contact their
Embassy find out shrug

It is still the same, however it has nothing to do with being white,
it is to do with not being a Motswana (citizen of Botswana). If a
company is able to source a qualified citizen, they will not get a
work permit for an imported worker. The government also encourages
foreign companies to commit to training a local workforce.

BTW, all citizens of Botswana are called Motswana (or the plural
Batswana) whether they are black Africans, white Africans or Asian
Africans.

JB


Just out of curiosity, have you ever visited any African countries? If
so, I'd like to know which ones, because I haven't been further north
than Zambia myself..

If not, to you and quite a few other posters in this thread, I would
like to point out (with all due respect), that no matter how much one
does 'armchair research' about Africa as a whole, living in one (or
more) of the countries beats knowing what actually 'goes on' in those
countries hands down. From the two that I have lived in and the three I
have visited (I have also been to Mozambique and Zambia on vacations)
you'd be surprised about what is 'published' and what actually happens
can be two totally different things... I am pretty sure this applies to
most countries, including Canada and the USA.

That said, *I do hope that Mr. Mugabe eventually gets officially
'ousted' as he *is* a tyrant (and that's being polite), but I am not
holding my breath... He's not gonna go without a fight, IMNSHO. The
damage he has caused is going to take decades to 'put right'. What a
waste of a great country - sigh. Scary what one human being can do,
isn't it?
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Cheers
Chatty Cathy

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On Apr 10, 12:15 am, "cybercat" wrote:
"Golden One" wrote

I have had a bit of a laugh at the huge blanket coverage in this
thread. This comment is not only pointed at you, but also all others
who keep spouting about conditions in "Africa".
Africa consists of over 50 countries,

Your ego must really need stroking if you feel the need to assume
that we do not know what anyone graduating elementary school
has to know. Oh, wait, you're Australian. Maybe then, you are
a genius in your own community.

Really?

Yes.


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"Golden One" wrote in message
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On Apr 10, 12:16 am, "cybercat" wrote:
"Golden One" wrote

The nym you have chosen tells more about you than anything
you have to say.

Jaundiced, are you? Or just inordinately impressed with yourself?

** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**

Exactly what is your problem, besides the fact that you are just a
nasty little bitch?

Your attitude nauseates me. And your nym nauseates me.

Think about it.


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On Apr 9, 11:07*pm, PeterLucas wrote:
Dave Smith wrote :

Golden One wrote:

Africa consists of over 50 countries, some better than others. Your
comment above about Africans treating each other horribly is
meaningless unless you are going to specify which Africans. Was it
sub- saharan Africa, western Africa, northern Africa?

No.

It is/was the *black* Africans.

All of them. ("Golden One". You're a complete idiot to ask for specific
tribes!!)

Well that is where you make your mistake. All means everyone, and you
are completely mistaken. In relation to specific tribes, I know what
the tribes are called and who holds power at present (specifically
speaking of Zim). If you want your opinion respected it would behoove
you to do your research.


Have you been there? Have you served there? Can you give us evidence
that most of the blacks are no better than animals?

Yes, I have worked and lived in several African countries. Have you?

JB


I mean to say, if the white man hadn't ever gone over there....... and
if we'd rocked up to their shores tomorrow....... they'd still be
running around naked, chucking rocks and spears at one another. Like the
blacks in my own country!!

Now they (Rhodesians) have the ability to take one of the richest
agricultural countries in Africa and put it on the world stage. And what
do they do??

They **** the country over.

They destroy it.

The only way it is ever going to get back to the way it was, is for them
to go back to the way it was under Ian Smith.



It is so widespread that you can have examples from any of those
regions. *Up in the north you have the ongoing *problem in *Darfur.. In
the last decade or so there have been problems in Rwanda, Sierra
Leone, Liberia, Ethiopia, Somalia, Niger and Mali. *

In all of those countries you mention, bands of 'heros' run around using
machetes and hacking women, children, and anyone too slow, to death.

But the bleeding hearts don't see that.

And if they do, they try to justify it.

I see it for what it is. *Murder*.

And the black c***** responsible should be tracked, and terminated.

Even in the
countries that are not engaged in war, there are bands of armed thugs
roaming the countryside, usually the remnants of a former army who
steal and murder. *There is widespread famine, not because of flood or
drought, but because it is not save for farmers to work their fields
or to get their crops to market.

I used to be quite passionate about Rhodesia....... but now....... my
opinion is, let the black *******s kill each other off till there's
hardly any left, then get the white farmers back in there and get the
country going again.

That is the *only* way that Rhodesia is going to survive.

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

"Thirty seven years ago, a Quarter Master, nearly knocked me over as he
thrust an L1A1 SLR into my hands and bellowed, "Keep that Rifle in Tip
Top Order so you can Kill your Countries Enemies with it before they
Kill You. These days, I do not have to visit exotic overseas countries
as my Countries Enemies are seen wallowing around our seats of
government, they guzzle and cavort at the Public trough so deeply they
make Caligula and Nero look like Church choir boys."

Mr Ron Owen, 2000, in a letter to then Premier Olsen.

On Apr 10, 10:50*am, "cybercat" wrote:
"Golden One" wrote in message

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On Apr 10, 12:16 am, "cybercat" wrote:

"Golden One" wrote

The nym you have chosen tells more about you than anything
you have to say.

Jaundiced, are you? Or just inordinately impressed with yourself?

** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**
Exactly what is your problem, besides the fact that you are just a
nasty little bitch?

Your attitude nauseates me. And your nym nauseates me.

Think about it.

** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**

Bad luck, I hope it continues to do so ad infinitum.

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"Golden One" wrote in message

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On Apr 10, 12:16 am, "cybercat" wrote:

"Golden One" wrote

The nym you have chosen tells more about you than anything
you have to say.

Jaundiced, are you? Or just inordinately impressed with yourself?

** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**
Exactly what is your problem, besides the fact that you are just a
nasty little bitch?

Your attitude nauseates me. And your nym nauseates me.

Think about it.



You really are a *load*, cyperpussy...

Tell us, are you sending that veritable fortune that you saved on
buying those CHEEP 27 cent chicken quarters into a fund to help feed
the pooooor l'il kidz of Afrika...???

"Yeah, I bet...".


snicker/


--
Best
Greg


" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to
claim that we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking

Golden One wrote:

On Apr 10, 10:50*am, "cybercat" wrote:





"Golden One" wrote in message

...
On Apr 10, 12:16 am, "cybercat" wrote:

"Golden One" wrote

The nym you have chosen tells more about you than anything
you have to say.

Jaundiced, are you? Or just inordinately impressed with yourself?

** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**
Exactly what is your problem, besides the fact that you are just a
nasty little bitch?

Your attitude nauseates me. And your nym nauseates me.

Think about it.

** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**

Bad luck, I hope it continues to do so ad infinitum.


Heh...

Notice that when "cybercat" gets backed into a hole due to her lack of
facts in a discussion she resorts to cheap name - calling and lame
maledictions...

No surprise, we are all quite used to it...


sigh/


--
Best
Greg

Golden One wrote:


Lived and worked in Botswana, Tanzania, South Africa, Zambia and the
Congo, on and off over a period of 8 years. I still visit Botswana
about once a year.

JB

Very interesting. Nice to have another poster 'round here that has
actually lived in South Africa (and a few other African countries) - I
was beginning to feel rather lonely. grin Now the most important
question: do you love biltong and boerewors too?
--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Is that chip on your shoulder edible?

Golden One wrote:
On Apr 9, 10:55 pm, ChattyCathy wrote:


Little bit of trivia about Botswana - 25 years ago a very close friend
of mine and his wife were very keen to go and work there, as there were
some very lucrative jobs that paid well (in US$). However, when he made
inquiries about moving there through their Embassy in RSA, he was
informed by an official at the Embassy that white men would be granted
work permits for 2 or 3 years at a time - but no permanent residence
would be granted - and although white woman were welcome to accompany
their spouses on these 'contracts', they would not be granted work
permits at all. Needless to say they didn't go when he found that out,
as his wife was not one of those 'anyone for tennis types'.. Things may
well have changed since then, I haven't bothered to contact their
Embassy find out shrug

It is still the same, however it has nothing to do with being white,
it is to do with not being a Motswana (citizen of Botswana). If a
company is able to source a qualified citizen, they will not get a
work permit for an imported worker. The government also encourages
foreign companies to commit to training a local workforce.

BTW, all citizens of Botswana are called Motswana (or the plural
Batswana) whether they are black Africans, white Africans or Asian
Africans.

You just proved a point I have been trying to make to some folks 'round
here. You lived there, so you know exactly what goes on. Thank you.

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Is that chip on your shoulder edible?

On Apr 10, 11:20*am, "A Chicken In Every Cybercat's Pot"
wrote:
cyberLOAD dumps:





"Golden One" wrote in message

...
On Apr 10, 12:16 am, "cybercat" wrote:

"Golden One" wrote

The nym you have chosen tells more about you than anything
you have to say.

Jaundiced, are you? Or just inordinately impressed with yourself?

** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**
Exactly what is your problem, besides the fact that you are just a
nasty little bitch?

Your attitude nauseates me. And your nym nauseates me.

Think about it.

You really are a *load*, cyperpussy...

Tell us, are you sending that veritable fortune that you saved on
buying those CHEEP 27 cent chicken quarters into a fund to help feed
the pooooor l'il kidz of Afrika...???

"Yeah, I bet...".

snicker/

--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow *lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to
claim that we are some
*kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
*- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking- Hide quoted text -

I nauseate her, you turn her stomach - I am surprised that she cooks,
let alone eats, with feeling sick so much of the time ;-)

JB


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ChattyCathy wrote:

Golden One wrote:

Lived and worked in Botswana, Tanzania, South Africa, Zambia and the
Congo, on and off over a period of 8 years. I still visit Botswana
about once a year.

JB

Very interesting. Nice to have another poster 'round here that has
actually lived in South Africa (and a few other African countries) *- I
was beginning to feel rather lonely. grin Now the most important
question: do you love biltong and boerewors too?



Can't speak for that, but I would love to visit South Africa, it's a
beautiful place. Had a friend who was a botanist, he made regular
trips to SA, he RAVED about the place, especially the plants, the
animals, the landscape, and the people.

I for one would like to see the interesting flora and fauna, including
all the creatures you've spoken of, e.g. your chickens, the mongooses,
etc...

South African Airways is starting direct Chicago - SA service very
soon, who knows...!!!???

;-p


--
Best
Greg

Golden One wrote:

On Apr 10, 11:20*am, "A Chicken In Every Cybercat's Pot"





wrote:
cyberLOAD dumps:

"Golden One" wrote in message

....
On Apr 10, 12:16 am, "cybercat" wrote:

"Golden One" wrote

The nym you have chosen tells more about you than anything
you have to say.

Jaundiced, are you? Or just inordinately impressed with yourself?

** Posted fromhttp://www.teranews.com**
Exactly what is your problem, besides the fact that you are just a
nasty little bitch?

Your attitude nauseates me. And your nym nauseates me.

Think about it.

You really are a *load*, cyperpussy...

Tell us, are you sending that veritable fortune that you saved on
buying those CHEEP 27 cent chicken quarters into a fund to help feed
the pooooor l'il kidz of Afrika...???

"Yeah, I bet...".

snicker/

--
Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow *lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to
claim that we are some
*kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
*- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking- Hide quoted text -

I nauseate her, you turn her stomach - I am surprised that she cooks,
let alone eats, with feeling sick so much of the time ;-)



A line from a hard - boiled film noir (_The Narrow Margin_, 1952) is
apropo here, I got the subject header to this post from that film,
too:


- Cop: "You REALLY nauseate me..."

- Marie Windsor: "Yeah, well don't throw up in MY sink..."


Lol...



Best
Greg

" I find Greg Morrow lowbrow, witless, and obnoxious. For him to
claim that we are some
kind of comedy team turns my stomach."
- "cybercat" to me on rec.food.cooking

On Apr 10, 11:39*am, ChattyCathy wrote:
Golden One wrote:

Lived and worked in Botswana, Tanzania, South Africa, Zambia and the
Congo, on and off over a period of 8 years. I still visit Botswana
about once a year.

JB

Very interesting. Nice to have another poster 'round here that has
actually lived in South Africa (and a few other African countries) *- I
was beginning to feel rather lonely. grin Now the most important
question: do you love biltong and boerewors too?

Sure do. I have a friend in Bots that makes her own Kudu biltong. I
like biltong with a beer at sundown.

I was based in Francistown in Botswana. Even though Botswana is known
for its beef industry it was impossible to find a local butcher that
understood about hanging and aging beef. I ended up going local and
eating antelope, warthog and guinea fowl. I like warthog better than
pork. Oh, and then there was the Mupane worms, not my cup of tea.

JB

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Is that chip on your shoulder edible?

On Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:46:16 +0100, Janet Baraclough
wrote:

The message
from PeterLucas contains these words:


I mean to say, if the white man hadn't ever gone over there....... and
if we'd rocked up to their shores tomorrow....... they'd still be
running around naked, chucking rocks and spears at one another. Like the
blacks in my own country!!

There's your mistake, thinking the colour of skin identifies matching
culture and history.

Not all Africans were hunter-gatherers when colonials arrived. . Before
white colonialisation, some African countries were sophisticated
societies. Far from running around naked throwing rocks, they were
building,engineering, mining, making tools and decorations with metal,
weaving and dying fabric to make clothes, and trading with other
sophisticated nations.

Some respondents to this thread could do with reading "A Respectable
Trade" by that very well-informed historical author Philippa Gregory.

Since you have internet access, I suggest you use it to inform
yourself about Africa's history.

It's not hard to do either. However, I get the impression that many
posters see countries other than their own the way they have been
brainwashed to see them, rather than how they really are.

I mean, how many Americans actually believe the trash served up by
Bush and the republican party (among others) about the Middle East and
other areas outside the US?

How can one possibly assert that the only way one can comment
seriously about another country's problems is governed by having lived
there? By this measure those occupying the Russian Desk at the US
State Department would have to have lived and worked in Russia outside
of the US Embassy in order to make any sort of so-called informed
statement. And they do so all the time, and they advise the
Administration as well. Based on what? A one or two-year term
isolated inside an embassy and only venturing forth accompanied by
their own and usually not even having one word of Russian.

And, as the French say, it's the same everywhere! Look at how many
stupid foregn policy decisions have been made by the British based on
diplomatic advice generated from inside some British Embassy
somewhere.

Forget about having to go and live and work in a country in order to
be able to contribute to a debate about that country. Those who have
are so frequently better informed at the grass-roots level and have
much of value to contribute - but it is not the sole requirement.






Janet.


The Golfer's Wife

Gregory Morrow wrote:


Can't speak for that, but I would love to visit South Africa, it's a
beautiful place. Had a friend who was a botanist, he made regular
trips to SA, he RAVED about the place, especially the plants, the
animals, the landscape, and the people.


I love it here... the food, the wine, the people... and the climate is
great, IMNSHO...

I for one would like to see the interesting flora and fauna, including
all the creatures you've spoken of, e.g. your chickens, the mongooses,
etc...

South African Airways is starting direct Chicago - SA service very
soon, who knows...!!!???

Kewl. We might actually be able to have a cook-in

I'm always so jealous of the folks who get to do that in the USA....

--
Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Is that chip on your shoulder edible?