"cybercat" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
.. .

"Michael Kuettner" wrote

FWIW, I find your comments, along with Peter's an Morrons, really offensive.
Like people colonized for hundreds of years have a chance at starting out
well governing themselves. And furthermore, **** you, you racist assholes.

Hundreds of years ?
cough
Apart from the Portugese in Sambesi (Mozambique), colonialization started
in the 1850ies. The Boers started in the 1750ies, OK.

Try not to post about things of which you know nothing.

Yeup, sista ! Let's talk Ebonics fa da sake offa brodas !

West Africa had been carved up and colonized by the Dutch, English, and
Germans
by 1736.

http://tinyurl.com/4cle76


Where are the Germans in this map, sistah ?
Where is the date in this map, sistah ?
Where are the ****ing Arab Slave-Traders in this map, sistah ?
Where are the ****ing Negros selling their brothers into slavery, sistah ?

Subsaharan Africa was heavily colonized by 1850. I'm short 40 years,
so the **** what?

So, **** you ?


Otherwise, Deutsch-Südwestafrika came into being around 1908.
So, let's see : Roughly 100 years of colonialism. Compared to 50 years
of pumping money into Africa. We could have flushed the money down
the toilet with the same effect.
It's nice to see political correctness at work ...

Whether or not any nation should give aid is another issue.

Exactly. I won't cry a tear about any dead child in Africa.

You and others smugly jeer at the way these people are struggling to run
their own nations, just to sneer. You're a pig.

And you're a stupid ****.

Clear enough for you ?

On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 10:54:14 -0400, Dave Smith
wrote:

According to the author of "When a Crocodile Eats the Sun" Mugabe
was taking land from successful white farmers and giving it to
"veterans" of the civil war, many of whom were too young to have
even been around during the war, never mind being veterans of it.
They new owners would move in and chase off the farmers, not even
allowing them to harvest the crops that were ready to be reaped.
Then the did nothing to the land. They did not farm it or even
build on it. They just didn't want the white farmers to have their
land. In some cases, the white farmers had bought the land from the
Zimbabwean government after the war.

They are the authors of their own misfortune. It is a seen typical
of a number of countries in Africa. They were easily colonized
because the people were in no position to fight them, often having
so many tribal conflicts that they could not put up a united front,
never mind fight a modern army. They prospered under white
development programs but seemed envious of the advantaged whites and
ended up seeking independence and black rule, and the common result
is oppressive governments, bribery and corruption, a huge drop in
their economies and more suffering for the people.

Personally, I think we should take a lesson from the past. I live in
a country that thrived as a colony and made great advances. Most of
the major successful countries in the world share that background
and enjoy the benefits. The others had their chance and they blew
it. They deserve their current situation. Since they fought so
hard to remove white westerners from power and pushed them out of
the country I see no reason for westerners to bail them out.

All of the above is true, but wanting independence is natural
following colonization (i.e. USA). The major problem with Africa is
that Western civilization (the colonizers) have over 2000 years of
experience to draw upon. The native African states are less than 200
years out from exposure to any form of civilizing rule. It is the
same in the Middle East. You probably don't expect Iraq and Iran to
embrace Western-style democracy anytime soon, do you? Those
countries would not know what to do with it any more than most African
states - and South Pacific island states also if it comes to it.

One has to remember that the colonizers of Africa (and India)
exploited the native peoples and removed immense amounts of wealth
from those countries. In addition, South Africa set up a separatist
regime that denied the indigenous people the vote (disenfranchisement)
and passed laws so discriminatory that it took an international boycot
to force South Africa to dismantle it.

No excuses for what the African leaders have done to their respective
countries following independence - Zimbabwe in particular. It is
timely to remember that that country was once divided into Northern
and Southern Rhodesia. Rhodesia was named after Cecil Rhodes,
probably one of the most exploitive of all colonizers.

I feel there should be international support for reform in Zimbabwe
once Mugabe and his party are no longer in power. While there is
understandable sympathy for those westerners who were pushed out
during that despot's term in power, it would be somewhat spiteful if
those who could afford to make a difference (yes, Westerners probably)
were subject to lobbying to prevent such action.

You didn't mention what other world powers might be tempted to do in
that region of Africa should western nations continue to punish
Zimbabwe after Mugabe. China and the major Eastern bloc (Russia eg)
might look at western disinterest as a way to influence affairs in
Zimbabwe. That would be a pity. The country is not only
agriculturally fertile but there are also other natural resources like
minerals.

The Belgians absolutely pillaged the Congo (now Zaire), the British
(and Americans) systematically exploited Nigeria's oil (as they did in
Iran up to the mid 1950s) and one doesn't really want to revisit the
long drawn out wars of liberation from the French suffered in
countries like Algeria and Morocco.

And who says western-style democracy is to be emulated anyway?
Winston Churchill famously said that democracy was the worst form of
government except for all the rest.


The Golfer's Wife

The Golfer's Wife wrote:

And who says western-style democracy is to be emulated anyway?
Winston Churchill famously said that democracy was the worst form of
government except for all the rest.


[snip]

Quite nicely said.



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The, Golfer's, Wife wrote:

Personally, I think we should take a lesson from the past. I live in
a country that thrived as a colony and made great advances. Most of
the major successful countries in the world share that background
and enjoy the benefits. The others had their chance and they blew
it. They deserve their current situation. Since they fought so
hard to remove white westerners from power and pushed them out of
the country I see no reason for westerners to bail them out.

All of the above is true, but wanting independence is natural
following colonization (i.e. USA). The major problem with Africa is
that Western civilization (the colonizers) have over 2000 years of
experience to draw upon. The native African states are less than 200
years out from exposure to any form of civilizing rule. It is the
same in the Middle East. You probably don't expect Iraq and Iran to
embrace Western-style democracy anytime soon, do you? Those
countries would not know what to do with it any more than most African
states - and South Pacific island states also if it comes to it.

One has to remember that the colonizers of Africa (and India)
exploited the native peoples and removed immense amounts of wealth
from those countries. In addition, South Africa set up a separatist
regime that denied the indigenous people the vote (disenfranchisement)
and passed laws so discriminatory that it took an international boycot
to force South Africa to dismantle it.

No excuses for what the African leaders have done to their respective
countries following independence - Zimbabwe in particular. It is
timely to remember that that country was once divided into Northern
and Southern Rhodesia. Rhodesia was named after Cecil Rhodes,
probably one of the most exploitive of all colonizers.

I feel there should be international support for reform in Zimbabwe
once Mugabe and his party are no longer in power. While there is
understandable sympathy for those westerners who were pushed out
during that despot's term in power, it would be somewhat spiteful if
those who could afford to make a difference (yes, Westerners probably)
were subject to lobbying to prevent such action.

You didn't mention what other world powers might be tempted to do in
that region of Africa should western nations continue to punish
Zimbabwe after Mugabe. China and the major Eastern bloc (Russia eg)
might look at western disinterest as a way to influence affairs in
Zimbabwe. That would be a pity. The country is not only
agriculturally fertile but there are also other natural resources like
minerals.

The Belgians absolutely pillaged the Congo (now Zaire), the British
(and Americans) systematically exploited Nigeria's oil (as they did in
Iran up to the mid 1950s) and one doesn't really want to revisit the
long drawn out wars of liberation from the French suffered in
countries like Algeria and Morocco.

And who says western-style democracy is to be emulated anyway?
Winston Churchill famously said that democracy was the worst form of
government except for all the rest.

The Golfer's Wife

The, Golfer's, Wife wrote:


Personally, I think we should take a lesson from the past. I live in
a country that thrived as a colony and made great advances. Most of
the major successful countries in the world share that background
and enjoy the benefits. The others had their chance and they blew
it. They deserve their current situation. Since they fought so
hard to remove white westerners from power and pushed them out of
the country I see no reason for westerners to bail them out.

All of the above is true, but wanting independence is natural
following colonization (i.e. USA).

The US is a different matter. It was not the native people who fought for
independence. It was the colonists, most of whom were English ancestry.
Canada, Australia and New Zealand all followed a peaceful path to
independence and maintained good relations with Britain.

The major problem with Africa is
that Western civilization (the colonizers) have over 2000 years of
experience to draw upon. The native African states are less than 200
years out from exposure to any form of civilizing rule. It is the
same in the Middle East. You probably don't expect Iraq and Iran to
embrace Western-style democracy anytime soon, do you? Those
countries would not know what to do with it any more than most African
states - and South Pacific island states also if it comes to it.

I cannot agree about the time periods of civilization. The Egyptians had a
civilized society thousands of years ago, long before the birth of modern
European civilization. The middle east has seen several civilizations
with huge empires that rose and fell. Most of Europe was a lawless land
with a lots of little war lords until the Romans attempted to civilize it.



One has to remember that the colonizers of Africa (and India)
exploited the native peoples and removed immense amounts of wealth
from those countries.

They exploited them or they hired them? They had no jobs at all before
that.


In addition, South Africa set up a separatist
regime that denied the indigenous people the vote (disenfranchisement)
and passed laws so discriminatory that it took an international boycot
to force South Africa to dismantle it.

Rhodesia was guilty of that too, but as pointed out, Rhodesia became one
of the most prosperous countries on the continent. Perhaps it is a case
of having to be careful what you ask for, because the country has been in
steady decline since black rule, which is every bit as racist as white
rule. One seems to have worked better for the people than the other. The
outcome appears to have justified the concerns of the whites who had been
running things much better than the current regime.


No excuses for what the African leaders have done to their respective
countries following independence - Zimbabwe in particular. It is
timely to remember that that country was once divided into Northern
and Southern Rhodesia. Rhodesia was named after Cecil Rhodes,
probably one of the most exploitive of all colonizers.

I feel there should be international support for reform in Zimbabwe
once Mugabe and his party are no longer in power.

They don't need reform. They need to abide by some form of law and order
and not the whims of a dictator, a system that has been propped up by
years of foreign aid, almost all of which ended up in the hands of the
ruling party.



You didn't mention what other world powers might be tempted to do in
that region of Africa should western nations continue to punish
Zimbabwe after Mugabe. China and the major Eastern bloc (Russia eg)
might look at western disinterest as a way to influence affairs in
Zimbabwe. That would be a pity. The country is not only
agriculturally fertile but there are also other natural resources like
minerals.

That has been an ongoing problem for years. Some major western powers have
a habit of backing any regime, regardless how oppressive they may be, so
long as they are anti communist.

The Belgians absolutely pillaged the Congo (now Zaire), the British
(and Americans) systematically exploited Nigeria's oil (as they did in
Iran up to the mid 1950s) and one doesn't really want to revisit the
long drawn out wars of liberation from the French suffered in
countries like Algeria and Morocco.

The Belgians did have a pretty bad record of colonialism, as did the
Germans, but I did point out that British colonialism has led to the
establishment of some of the most successful countries in the world.

And who says western-style democracy is to be emulated anyway?
Winston Churchill famously said that democracy was the worst form of
government except for all the rest.


That was a somewhat witty comment, and it certainly does not condemn
democracy.

On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 02:00:21 +0000 (UTC), PeterL
wrote:

"James Silverton" wrote in newsmTJj.180
$_I1.33@trnddc02:


??
P I would rather have just fed him to the hyenas.
??
?? Posssibly even they are hungry!
??
c FWIW, I find your comments, along with Peter's an Morrons,
c really offensive. Like people colonized for hundreds of
c years have a chance at starting out well governing
c themselves. And furthermore, **** you, you racist assholes.

Here we go again! I was born in Britain in the last century so I
am responsible for Cromwell's Drogheda massacre in the
seventeenth century even if four of my great grandparents said
they were Irish.


Don't mind cyber****...... it must be that time of the month again!!

i'm not on the rag, but i find the 'ignorant junglebunnies' subtext
quite offensive as well. apparently, your mileage varies.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:22:25 +1200, The Golfer's Wife wrote:

And who says western-style democracy is to be emulated anyway?
Winston Churchill famously said that democracy was the worst form of
government except for all the rest.


The Golfer's Wife

if the u.s. elects john mccain after the eight-year ****-up-a-thon and
theft festival of the bush administration, i'd be inclined to agree.

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 02:00:21 +0000 (UTC), PeterL
wrote:

"James Silverton" wrote in newsmTJj.180
$_I1.33@trnddc02:


??
P I would rather have just fed him to the hyenas.
??
?? Posssibly even they are hungry!
??
c FWIW, I find your comments, along with Peter's an Morrons,
c really offensive. Like people colonized for hundreds of
c years have a chance at starting out well governing
c themselves. And furthermore, **** you, you racist assholes.

Here we go again! I was born in Britain in the last century so I
am responsible for Cromwell's Drogheda massacre in the
seventeenth century even if four of my great grandparents said
they were Irish.


Don't mind cyber****...... it must be that time of the month again!!

i'm not on the rag, but i find the 'ignorant junglebunnies' subtext
quite offensive as well. apparently, your mileage varies.


Nothing like these fat ****ing American and Australian lumps of lard sitting
on their cottage cheese asses laughing at the follies of the little darkies.

And what a surprise that this single-eyebrowed, knuckle-dragging, provincial
lout named Peter Pukus would attribute a woman's objection to his
piggishness to being "on the rag."

Yes, I am on the rag, Peter. I'm on the one that I would love to see stuffed
down
your boorish throat until your piggy, racist eyes bug out.

But I am just a dreamer, and this is but a normal sunday, with blueberry
pancakes for brunch, and a fresh pot of Kona in the carafe.

P.S.--Hi Blake. I had to respond this way because I have asswipe killfiled.
*taking a sandlewood-scented hankie from my bodice and tucking it under your
collar*




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"blake murphy" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:22:25 +1200, The Golfer's Wife wrote:

And who says western-style democracy is to be emulated anyway?
Winston Churchill famously said that democracy was the worst form of
government except for all the rest.


The Golfer's Wife

if the u.s. elects john mccain after the eight-year ****-up-a-thon and
theft festival of the bush administration, i'd be inclined to agree.

your pal,
blake


After Jr. bush was elected for the second term, I was Astounded by the
amount of Idiots and Lemmings that voted for him.... Twice.

Can we be That out of touch to enough to elect another Repub?

On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 09:59:38 -0700, "Mike"
wrote:


"blake murphy" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:22:25 +1200, The Golfer's Wife wrote:

And who says western-style democracy is to be emulated anyway?
Winston Churchill famously said that democracy was the worst form of
government except for all the rest.


The Golfer's Wife

if the u.s. elects john mccain after the eight-year ****-up-a-thon and
theft festival of the bush administration, i'd be inclined to agree.

your pal,
blake


After Jr. bush was elected for the second term, I was Astounded by the
amount of Idiots and Lemmings that voted for him.... Twice.

Can we be That out of touch to enough to elect another Repub?



if the mainstream media continues to have a hard-on for the
straight-talkin' maverick no matter what kind of rubbish is actually
coming out of his mouth, it's entirely possible. especially if he's
running against that scary black man's pastor.

your pal,
blake

On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:47:16 -0400, "cybercat"
wrote:


"blake murphy" wrote in message
news
P.S.--Hi Blake. I had to respond this way because I have asswipe killfiled.
*taking a sandlewood-scented hankie from my bodice and tucking it under your
collar*

hubba-hubba! pay no attention to the man behind my pants-front.
well, maybe a little attention.

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:47:16 -0400, "cybercat"
wrote:


"blake murphy" wrote in message
news
P.S.--Hi Blake. I had to respond this way because I have asswipe
killfiled.
*taking a sandlewood-scented hankie from my bodice and tucking it under
your
collar*

hubba-hubba! pay no attention to the man behind my pants-front.
well, maybe a little attention.


That was for refusing to play Great White Hunter with the stupid boys.


** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

PeterL wrote:

"James Silverton" wrote in newsmTJj.180
$_I1.33@trnddc02:

*??
*P I would rather have just fed him to the hyenas.
*??
*?? Posssibly even they are hungry!
*??
*c FWIW, I find your comments, along with Peter's an Morrons,
*c really offensive. Like people colonized for hundreds of
*c years have a chance at starting out well governing
*c themselves. And furthermore, **** you, you racist assholes.

Here we go again! I was born in Britain in the last century so I
am responsible for Cromwell's Drogheda massacre in the
seventeenth century even if four of my great grandparents said
they were Irish.

Don't mind cyber****...... it must be that time of the month again!!



BWAHAHHAAAAAA........!!!!!!


--
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Greg

cybercat wows us:

"blake murphy" wrote in message

news




On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 02:00:21 +0000 (UTC), PeterL
wrote:

"James Silverton" wrote in newsmTJj.180
$_I1.33@trnddc02:

*??
*P I would rather have just fed him to the hyenas.
*??
*?? Posssibly even they are hungry!
*??
*c FWIW, I find your comments, along with Peter's an Morrons,
*c really offensive. Like people colonized for hundreds of
*c years have a chance at starting out well governing
*c themselves. And furthermore, **** you, you racist assholes.

Here we go again! I was born in Britain in the last century so I
am responsible for Cromwell's Drogheda massacre in the
seventeenth century even if four of my great grandparents said
they were Irish.

Don't mind cyber****...... it must be that time of the month again!!

i'm not on the rag, but i find the 'ignorant junglebunnies' subtext
quite offensive as well. *apparently, your mileage varies.

Nothing like these fat ****ing American and Australian lumps of lard sitting
on their cottage cheese asses laughing at the follies of the little darkies.

And what a surprise that this single-eyebrowed, knuckle-dragging, provincial
lout named Peter Pukus would attribute a woman's objection to his
piggishness to being "on the rag."


Would you have preferred him to say, "Well, cybercat IS a WOMAN, after
all...???".


--
Best
Greg

The Golfer's Wife wrote:

On Sat, 05 Apr 2008 10:54:14 -0400, Dave Smith





wrote:
According to the author of "When a Crocodile Eats the Sun" Mugabe
was taking land from successful white farmers and giving it to
"veterans" of the civil war, many of whom were too young to have
even been around during the war, never mind being veterans of it.
They new owners would move in and chase off the farmers, not even
allowing them to harvest the crops that were ready to be reaped.
Then the did nothing to the land. *They did not farm it or even
build on it. They just didn't want the white farmers to have their
land. In some cases, the white farmers had bought the land from the
Zimbabwean government after the war.

They are the authors of their own misfortune. It is a seen typical
of a number of countries in Africa. *They were easily colonized
because the people were in no position to fight them, often having
so many tribal conflicts that they could not put up a united front,
never mind fight a modern army. *They prospered under white
development programs but seemed envious of the advantaged whites and
ended up seeking independence and black rule, and the common result
is oppressive governments, bribery and corruption, *a huge drop in
their economies and more suffering for the people.

Personally, I think we should take a lesson from the past. I live in
a country that thrived as a colony and made great advances. Most of
the major successful countries in the world share that background
and enjoy the benefits. The others had their chance and they blew
it. They deserve their current situation. *Since *they fought so
hard to remove white westerners from power and pushed them out of
the country I see no reason for westerners to bail them out.

All of the above is true, but wanting independence is natural
following colonization (i.e. USA). *The major problem with Africa is
that Western civilization (the colonizers) have over 2000 years of
experience to draw upon. *The native African states are less than 200
years out from exposure to any form of civilizing rule. * It is the
same in the Middle East. * You probably don't expect Iraq and Iran to
embrace Western-style democracy anytime soon, do you? * Those
countries would not know what to do with it any more than most African
states - and South Pacific island states also if it comes to it.

One has to remember that the colonizers of Africa (and India)
exploited the native peoples and removed immense amounts of wealth
from those countries. * In addition, South Africa set up a separatist
regime that denied the indigenous people the vote (disenfranchisement)
and passed laws so discriminatory that it took an international boycot
to force South Africa to dismantle it.

No excuses for what the African leaders have done to their respective
countries following independence - Zimbabwe in particular. * It is
timely to remember that that country was once divided into Northern
and Southern Rhodesia. *Rhodesia was named after Cecil Rhodes,

probably one of the most exploitive of all colonizers.


What, I suppose you think it was some sort of bucolic paradise before
the Brits arrived? Think *again*...

Remember, the Africans treated each other *horribly* LONG before the
colonial powers arrived. Who was it that sold their brethren into
slavery, frex...??? And on what continent does human slavery not only
still exist, but is *thriving*...???



I feel there should be *international support for reform in Zimbabwe
once Mugabe and his party are no longer in power. *While there is
understandable sympathy for those westerners who were pushed out
during that despot's term in power, it *would be somewhat spiteful if
those who could afford to make a difference (yes, Westerners probably)
were subject to lobbying to prevent such action.

You didn't mention what other world powers might be tempted to do in
that region of Africa should western nations continue to punish
Zimbabwe after Mugabe. * China and the major Eastern bloc (Russia eg)
might look at western disinterest as a *way to influence affairs in
Zimbabwe. * That would be a pity. * The country is not only
agriculturally fertile but there are also other natural resources like
minerals.

The Belgians absolutely pillaged the Congo (now Zaire), the British
(and Americans) systematically exploited Nigeria's oil (as they did in
Iran up to the mid 1950s) and one doesn't really want to revisit the
long drawn out *wars of *liberation from the French suffered in
countries like Algeria and Morocco. *


At this stage the *best* thing for Africa would be some sort of
*massive* die - back of the native African and Arab populations that
infest the place. Then we superiour whites and Asians could go in,
repopulate, and make the place *thrive*...



And who says western-style democracy is to be emulated anyway?
Winston Churchill famously said that democracy was the worst form of
government except for all the rest.


Tell ya what, cupcake, go live in some place without "western - style"
democacry, e.g. Syria or North Korea or Cuba or Belarus or Burma and
*then* get back to us, okay...???

In any case, it sounds like one of yer hubbie's golf balls dinged you
right good in the head...


--
Best
Greg