"Nancy2" wrote in message
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On Oct 25, 7:42 pm, Sheldon wrote:
On Oct 25, 6:45?pm, "Peter" wrote:





"Sheldon" wrote in message

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On Oct 25, 4:24?pm, "Peter" wrote:
Received a cuisinart food processor for a wedding gift, a 7 cup
model
(came
with a second mini food processor as well).

http://www.cuisinart.com/catalog/pro...=30&item_id=59...

I've only had it 3 days but so far made a nice cheese dip and used
to it
fine chop cabbage for chinese dumplings :-)

Is it worth my time in effort to grind my own meat with it? I was
thinking
a coarser grind would be nicer compared to the usual store bought
ground
meats for many dishes. Does anyone here do this regularly and can
comment
or
offer advice? I don't envision buying a proper meat grinder anytime
soon.

A food processor is far better than mystery meat... but you really
ought to buy a meat grinder.

Sheldon

Sheldon, I'll probably give this a go and if it does not satisfy my
needs I
may end up doing so. Suggestions for brand names and models? I don't
want
to sacrifice an early retirement on one but I would want one that lasts
for
life.

You can spend a lot more but I bought this Waring as a step up from my
slightly smaller Moulinex and it works
great:http://www.chefscatalog.com/product/...sional-meat-gr...

I think if you shop around you can find it for less, I paid $160 two
years ago...
hehttp://www.homeclick.com/web/catalog...x?pid=115252&c...

Sheldon- Hide quoted text -

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You can buy a hand grinder - the kind like grandma used to clamp onto
the edge of the kitchen table. They work great; they're easy to
clean, and there's nothing that ever breaks, really.

http://tinyurl.com/ypyfxv

Lehmans is a great source for old-fashioned, reliable stuff - and
grinding meat isn't so hard, even for me. The one I have is probably
at least 75 years old - and there's nothing wrong with it at all.

N.


That looks interesting, good price too. I don't use ground meat often
enough to worry about getting an electric model. Looks like not much could
go wrong with that one.

"Bobo Bonobo®" wrote in message
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On Oct 25, 3:24 pm, "Peter" wrote:
Received a cuisinart food processor for a wedding gift, a 7 cup model
(came
with a second mini food processor as well).

http://www.cuisinart.com/catalog/pro...=30&item_id=59...


I don't think that one has a citrus juicer.

Not that I'm aware of


I've only had it 3 days but so far made a nice cheese dip and used to it
fine chop cabbage for chinese dumplings :-)

Is it worth my time in effort to grind my own meat with it? I was
thinking
a coarser grind would be nicer compared to the usual store bought ground
meats for many dishes. Does anyone here do this regularly and can comment
or
offer advice? I don't envision buying a proper meat grinder anytime
soon.

The only time I grind meat is to use for stuffing pasta like ravioli
and manicotti. It pulverizes the beef and spinach nicely.

How well does it work for bread kneading? Better to do by hand? Same
for
for pasta. I *love* home made pasta and I do not have a pasta maker. I
usualy do it by hand every couple weeks and roll it out myself. Is it
possible to use this machine to mix my pasta for me or am I hoping for
too
much? Rolling is the easy part IMHO, mixing is the annoying part :-)

I looked at the website, and you can order a dough blade for that
model. I'd say that if Cuisinart says it works, it probably does. I
love my Little Pro Plus.

--Bryan

It came with the dough blade. I'll give it a go.

"Jerry Bank" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...
Received a cuisinart food processor for a wedding gift, a 7 cup model
(came
with a second mini food processor as well).

http://www.cuisinart.com/catalog/pro...id=59&cat_id=7

I've only had it 3 days but so far made a nice cheese dip and used to it
fine chop cabbage for chinese dumplings :-)

Is it worth my time in effort to grind my own meat with it? I was
thinking
a coarser grind would be nicer compared to the usual store bought ground
meats for many dishes. Does anyone here do this regularly and can comment
or
offer advice? I don't envision buying a proper meat grinder anytime
soon.

How well does it work for bread kneading? Better to do by hand? Same
for
for pasta. I *love* home made pasta and I do not have a pasta maker. I
usualy do it by hand every couple weeks and roll it out myself. Is it
possible to use this machine to mix my pasta for me or am I hoping for
too
much? Rolling is the easy part IMHO, mixing is the annoying part :-)

I use my food processor to make pasta dough. I use approximately 2/3 cup
of flour to each egg. In the machine, turn it on and let 'er rip.

If you want to use it for bread kneading, there are many bread cookbooks
that include food processor versions of the recipes.

Not so great for grinding meat. I use the attachment for my Kenwood
mixer. Fast and good.
--

So it does OK for pasta? Going to have to give that a go tonight I think.

"Nancy2" wrote in message
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On Oct 25, 7:42 pm, Sheldon wrote:
On Oct 25, 6:45?pm, "Peter" wrote:





"Sheldon" wrote in message

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On Oct 25, 4:24?pm, "Peter" wrote:
Received a cuisinart food processor for a wedding gift, a 7 cup
model
(came
with a second mini food processor as well).

http://www.cuisinart.com/catalog/pro...=30&item_id=59...

I've only had it 3 days but so far made a nice cheese dip and used
to it
fine chop cabbage for chinese dumplings :-)

Is it worth my time in effort to grind my own meat with it? I was
thinking
a coarser grind would be nicer compared to the usual store bought
ground
meats for many dishes. Does anyone here do this regularly and can
comment
or
offer advice? I don't envision buying a proper meat grinder anytime
soon.

A food processor is far better than mystery meat... but you really
ought to buy a meat grinder.

Sheldon

Sheldon, I'll probably give this a go and if it does not satisfy my
needs I
may end up doing so. Suggestions for brand names and models? I don't
want
to sacrifice an early retirement on one but I would want one that lasts
for
life.

You can spend a lot more but I bought this Waring as a step up from my
slightly smaller Moulinex and it works
great:http://www.chefscatalog.com/product/...sional-meat-gr...

I think if you shop around you can find it for less, I paid $160 two
years ago...
hehttp://www.homeclick.com/web/catalog...x?pid=115252&c...

Sheldon- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You can buy a hand grinder - the kind like grandma used to clamp onto
the edge of the kitchen table. They work great; they're easy to
clean, and there's nothing that ever breaks, really.

http://tinyurl.com/ypyfxv

Lehmans is a great source for old-fashioned, reliable stuff - and
grinding meat isn't so hard, even for me. The one I have is probably
at least 75 years old - and there's nothing wrong with it at all.

N.

Be careful (nowadays?) buying a hand-grinder for grinding meat. I bought
one maybe 7 years ago, and it didn't last but one or two grindings before
the finish (was it tinned?) came off in tiny pieces. I wasn't even grinding
meat with it. It wasn't exactly cheap, either, maybe $80 at that time. I
learned my lesson buying something while traveling; I never returned it, so
I'm still a little ticked.

Dee Dee

"Dee Dee" ha scritto nel messaggio
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Be careful (nowadays?) buying a hand-grinder for grinding meat. I bought
one maybe 7 years ago, and it didn't last but one or two grindings before
the finish (was it tinned?) came off in tiny pieces. I wasn't even
grinding meat with it. It wasn't exactly cheap, either, maybe $80 at that
time. I learned my lesson buying something while traveling; I never
returned it, so I'm still a little ticked.

Dee Dee

Thrify/charity shops are great resources for old fashioned tools like these.
I have a bunch of things that the modern equivalents were crappy, but the
old ones work on... and on...


--
http://www.judithgreenwood.com

"Dee Dee" wrote:
"Nancy2"
Sheldon wrote:
"Peter" wrote:
"Sheldon" wrote:
"Peter" wrote:
Received a cuisinart food processor for a wedding gift, a 7 cup
model
(came
with a second mini food processor as well).

http://www.cuisinart.com/catalog/pro...=30&item_id=59...

I've only had it 3 days but so far made a nice cheese dip and used
to it
fine chop cabbage for chinese dumplings :-)

Is it worth my time in effort to grind my own meat with it? I was
thinking
a coarser grind would be nicer compared to the usual store bought
ground
meats for many dishes. Does anyone here do this regularly and can
comment
or
offer advice? I don't envision buying a proper meat grinder anytime
soon.

A food processor is far better than mystery meat... but you really
ought to buy a meat grinder.

Sheldon

Sheldon, I'll probably give this a go and if it does not satisfy my
needs I
may end up doing so. Suggestions for brand names and models? I don't
want
to sacrifice an early retirement on one but I would want one that lasts
for
life.

You can spend a lot more but I bought this Waring as a step up from my
slightly smaller Moulinex and it works
great:http://www.chefscatalog.com/product/...sional-meat-gr...

I think if you shop around you can find it for less, I paid $160 two
years ago...
hehttp://www.homeclick.com/web/catalog...x?pid=115252&c...

You can buy a hand grinder - the kind like grandma used to clamp onto
the edge of the kitchen table. They work great; they're easy to
clean, and there's nothing that ever breaks, really.

http://tinyurl.com/ypyfxv

Lehmans is a great source for old-fashioned, reliable stuff - and
grinding meat isn't so hard, even for me. The one I have is probably
at least 75 years old - and there's nothing wrong with it at all.

N.

Be careful (nowadays?) buying a hand-grinder for grinding meat. I bought
one maybe 7 years ago, and it didn't last but one or two grindings before
the finish (was it tinned?) came off in tiny pieces. I wasn't even grinding
meat with it. It wasn't exactly cheap, either, maybe $80 at that time. I
learned my lesson buying something while traveling; I never returned it, so
I'm still a little ticked.

Dee Dee

Like anything else hand grinders are made in many quality levels, you
get what you pay for. A quality hand grinder costs just as much as a
quality electric grinder... in fact there are kits available for
converting a quality hand grinder to motorized.

I don't recommend a hand grinder, they don't work nearly as well as a
motorized grinder, the results are not very good because it's near
impossible to maintain constant speed for more than about a minute,
they are slow, and probably won't get used very much if at all because
they require a lot of muscle... most people employ a helper, one
grinds one feeds... there are lots of accidents... never have a helper
when using any grinder, in fact no one else should be in the kitchen,
meat grinders require ones full attention. Hand meat grinders were
once very popular with hunters because they had no electricity at
their lodge, it was plenty cold so they needed no electricity for
refrigeration but they had no choice about the grinder, now they have
lightweight portable generators. Serious hunters don't bring back
the entire animal, they dress, butcher out the prime sections and
grind the remainder... they come home with a manageable sized
package. I have two long time friends I worked with for over 25 years
who at least once a year go elk hunting in Alaska, they're flown in
and picked up ten days later. They need to butcher the meat and leave
all the scrap because of weight limitations with those small planes.
There's more involved with rules about sharing with the natives but
that's the gist of it.

It wasn't all that many years ago that people had no electricity in
their homes either, so hand meat grinders were used. My grand
parents used hand grinders, they cooked with wood and coal, they had
no electric, they used gas lights, and an ice box because a gas fridge
was too costly... and this was in NYC... my parents had a gas stove
but still we had an icebox until I was ten years old, we heated with
coal too. But these days most everyone takes electric for granted,
anyone who is desirous of a hand grinder instead of electric is merely
on a nostalgia trip... you'll use it once and relagate it to the
basement. I can just see yoose finding a place to clamp it where it
won't damage your fancy schmancy furniture... oh, it'll fit nicely on
the end of your granite counter (crack). People can afford mega bucks
designer kitchens and all sorts of expensive appliances but can't
scrape up the few bucks for a decent meat grinder.

You can buy a pretty good little electric meat grinder for home use
for $100, but for a few dollars more you can get one the next size up
that works far better. Not a week goes by I don't use my meat grinder
for something other than grinding meat so it's not money spent on
something that sits around collecting dust. A meat grinder does many
common kitchen chores with much better results than with a food
processor... the beauty of a meat grinder is that everything passes
through the business end just once, nothing can get over processed...
you have total control over the grind from beginning to end, every bit
comes out with the exact same consistancy.

You can't grind meat with a food processor, anyone says they can is
fooling themself... in fact you can't grind anything with a food
processor, not any meats, not nuts, not bread crumbs, nothing... a
meat grinder even does a better job of grating hard vegetables;
potatoes, carrots, onions, etc.

I like my new Waring Pro for many reasons, one being it's taller than
typical home grinders, with my old smaller grinder there was always a
problem with finding a large bowl that was also low enough to fit.
Most times I had to use a platter to catch whatever I was grinding and
then tranfer to a mixing bowl, just created something else to clean...
not a big thing but with the taller grinder I have many more choices
of what to use to catch food plus it's just generally a more
comfortable work height. Of course with the larger grinding head the
grind is a much nicer consistancy... with smaller grinding heads
there's more back pressure, which creates smearing. Even with larger
grinders if you want a finer grind it's usually more preferable to
grind twice than to use a plate with smaller holes.

I'm convinced it's psychological, people are truly embarassed for
anyone to know they need to grind their own meat because they can't
afford the so-called luxury of store ground... there is no other
logical explanation for why people are so adverse to owning a meat
grinder, other than that they are so obstinate that their stubborness
can't be other than construed as a psychological illness.

Sheldon

In article ,
Dave Smith wrote:

I have only seen a few small hand powered meat grinders and they all had a
screen in them There is a disk that screws into the end with holes in it
through which the ground meat is extruded.

Both of my meat grinders have those types of screens also. I think the
other person thinks of a screen as a screen mesh or similar.

jt

jt august wrote:

In article ,
Dave Smith wrote:

I have only seen a few small hand powered meat grinders and they all had a
screen in them There is a disk that screws into the end with holes in it
through which the ground meat is extruded.

Both of my meat grinders have those types of screens also. I think the
other person thinks of a screen as a screen mesh or similar.


There is nothing that says a screen has to a fine wire mesh that you put
over your windows to keep our the bugs. The whiles in a screen can be
several inches in diameter and it is still screen. They use screens with
with openings a foot or more across in quarries to sort gravel by size.
They have huge openings, but they are still screens.

Methinks that someone was just being anal, and that is a bad thing to be
when you are wrong.
:-)

On Oct 26, 9:03 am, Nancy2 wrote:
On Oct 25, 7:42 pm, Sheldon wrote:



On Oct 25, 6:45?pm, "Peter" wrote:

"Sheldon" wrote in message

oups.com...

On Oct 25, 4:24?pm, "Peter" wrote:
Received a cuisinart food processor for a wedding gift, a 7 cup model
(came
with a second mini food processor as well).

http://www.cuisinart.com/catalog/pro...=30&item_id=59...

I've only had it 3 days but so far made a nice cheese dip and used to it
fine chop cabbage for chinese dumplings :-)

Is it worth my time in effort to grind my own meat with it? I was
thinking
a coarser grind would be nicer compared to the usual store bought ground
meats for many dishes. Does anyone here do this regularly and can comment
or
offer advice? I don't envision buying a proper meat grinder anytime
soon.

A food processor is far better than mystery meat... but you really
ought to buy a meat grinder.

Sheldon

Sheldon, I'll probably give this a go and if it does not satisfy my needs I
may end up doing so. Suggestions for brand names and models? I don't want
to sacrifice an early retirement on one but I would want one that lasts for
life.

You can spend a lot more but I bought this Waring as a step up from my
slightly smaller Moulinex and it works great:http://www.chefscatalog.com/product/...sional-meat-gr...

I think if you shop around you can find it for less, I paid $160 two
years ago... hehttp://www.homeclick.com/web/catalog...x?pid=115252&c...

Sheldon- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You can buy a hand grinder - the kind like grandma used to clamp onto
the edge of the kitchen table. They work great; they're easy to
clean, and there's nothing that ever breaks, really.

http://tinyurl.com/ypyfxv

Lehmans is a great source for old-fashioned, reliable stuff - and
grinding meat isn't so hard, even for me. The one I have is probably
at least 75 years old - and there's nothing wrong with it at all.

You can, yes, but I switched from a hand grinder to an electric one
several years ago and the reduced work is considerable. I use it much
more often than I ever did the hand grinder. -aem

In article . com,
Sheldon wrote:

A food processor is far better than mystery meat... but you really
ought to buy a meat grinder.

I would like to add to this that unless you are a heavy duty user, you
can likely find one that will suit you at a thrift shop, flea market,
garage sale or estate sale. I have two, both purchased used this way.
They don't appear every day, it takes a little patience and persistence,
but $2 for a meat grinder compared to $80 or more is a worthy price
difference to make the patience worthwhile.

jt

On Oct 26, 10:58?am, Dave Smith wrote:
Sheldon wrote:

On Oct 25, 9:23?pm, Dave Smith wrote:
Sheldon wrote:

Not true. I never saw a meat grinder with a screen. If you put
gristle in it will grind it... will even grind small bones, will grind
poultry bones easily.

I have only seen a few small hand powered meat grinders and they all had a
screen in them There is a disk that screws into the end with holes in it
through which the ground meat is extruded.

That's the grinding plate, won't hold anything back

Call is a grinding plate if you want. It has holes in it so it qualifies as
a screen.

Your head is full of holes, all your brains leaked out, sieve head!

On Oct 26, 4:57?pm, Dave Smith wrote:
jt august wrote:

In article ,
Dave Smith wrote:

I have only seen a few small hand powered meat grinders and they all had a
screen in them There is a disk that screws into the end with holes in it
through which the ground meat is extruded.

Both of my meat grinders have those types of screens also. I think the
other person thinks of a screen as a screen mesh or similar.

There is nothing that says a screen has to a fine wire mesh that you put
over your windows to keep our the bugs. The whiles in a screen can be
several inches in diameter and it is still screen. They use screens with
with openings a foot or more across in quarries to sort gravel by size.
They have huge openings, but they are still screens.


To screen means tp prevent passage... grinder plates do just the
opposite, they enable passage, the edges of those perforations are the
complementary part of the cutting blade, the other half of the
shearing mechanism... minus the grinder plate would be tantamount to
scissors with only one blade. Without the grinding plate the grinder
won't grind, it would cease to be a grinder. A meat grinder is a very
well engineered tool, there are no wasted parts, all its five parts
are necessary; the body, the auger, the plate, the blade, and the
retaining nut. Meat grinder web sites refer to grinder cutting
plates, not screens.

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:57:07 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

There is nothing that says a screen has to a fine wire mesh that you put
over your windows to keep our the bugs. The whiles in a screen can be
several inches in diameter and it is still screen....

Yes, they can be. But a screen is a right angle interwoven mesh of
constant-diameter or constant-width linear elements, whereas an extrusion plate
for a meat grinder is simply a disk with round holes drilled in it.

It is not a screen. You're just being obtuse.

-- Larry

pltrgyst wrote:

On Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:57:07 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

There is nothing that says a screen has to a fine wire mesh that you put
over your windows to keep our the bugs. The whiles in a screen can be
several inches in diameter and it is still screen....

Yes, they can be. But a screen is a right angle interwoven mesh of
constant-diameter or constant-width linear elements,

???? Where did you come up with that definition? There are many types of
screens, wire mesh window screens are just one of many types.



whereas an extrusion plate
for a meat grinder is simply a disk with round holes drilled in it.

It is not a screen. You're just being obtuse.

Yep... and to prove it I will send along this link to a site that sells
professional quality meat grinders..... with screens.

http://www.genemco.com/catalog/grinders.html

On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 10:33:28 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

Yep... and to prove it I will send along this link to a site that sells
professional quality meat grinders..... with screens.

http://www.genemco.com/catalog/grinders.html

That page contains two mentions of the word screen:

For a Tyler "Sanitary Grinder/Finisher": "Tyler 2-1/2 in. mesh screen."

Note the word "mesh," and the fact that the "mesh screen" is in cylindrical form
-- it is not a flat extrusion plate. This mutha also has a 25 HP motor, and is
not intended for grinding meat.

And for a 60-gallon hammer mill, which is rather obviously not a home meat
grinder.

Neither one has anything to do with the subject under discussion. We're
discussing the correctness of referring to a meast grinder's thick, rigid
extrusion plate as a screen (generally synonymous in this context with sieve).

-- Larry