"Steve Wertz" wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:12:12 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Steve Wertz" wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:03:55 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Steve Wertz" wrote in message
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How do you explain the fact that good cooks can make fabulous food
without
adding MSG?

How do you explain that good cooks can make food even better by
using MSG? (Matter of fact - they probably *are* already using
MSG in some form or another). How do you explain that MSG is
present in the majority of foods you buy at the supermarket, yet
people don't seem to get sick from them?

Present in the majority of foods. Do you mean it was added as an
ingredient,
or are we returning to the naturally occurring theme again?

Both. Does it matter?

I sense you're running out of steam so lets just call it quits
since nobody will "win" this argument. Just consider how
widely-used MSG and all it's subordinates are being used these
days.

-sw

No. You said it's in most foods I buy. You are obviously familiar with my
shopping list.

There's nothing I can do about naturally occurring substances. I *can*
choose not to buy food with additives which don't interest me. MSG is added
to some foods, therefore it is an additive.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

There's nothing I can do about naturally occurring substances. I *can*
choose not to buy food with additives which don't interest me. MSG is
added to some foods, therefore it is an additive.

In parmigiano-reggiano, and other types of grana cheese, MSG forms naturally
during ageing. Same for tradizionale balsamic vinegar. It *can be* an
additive, but it is not *always* an additive.
--
Vilco
Think pink, drink rose'

"Vilco" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

There's nothing I can do about naturally occurring substances. I *can*
choose not to buy food with additives which don't interest me. MSG is
added to some foods, therefore it is an additive.

In parmigiano-reggiano, and other types of grana cheese, MSG forms
naturally during ageing. Same for tradizionale balsamic vinegar. It *can
be* an additive, but it is not *always* an additive.
--
Vilco
Think pink, drink rose'


This is getting silly. If I say "I don't eat a lot of sugar", what *I* mean
(which may differ from what YOU mean) is that there's hardly ever a cookie
in this house, or candy. But, I eat fruit every day, which contains sugar.
Fruit has its own benefits, so should I avoid fruit because of the sugar?
Obviously not.

Added MSG is an additive I don't want. I don't care about the naturally
occurring MSG because there's nothing I can do about it, other than
eliminate the foods which contain it.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

In parmigiano-reggiano, and other types of grana cheese, MSG forms
naturally during ageing. Same for tradizionale balsamic vinegar. It
*can be* an additive, but it is not *always* an additive.

This is getting silly. If I say "I don't eat a lot of sugar", what
*I* mean (which may differ from what YOU mean) is that there's hardly
ever a cookie in this house, or candy. But, I eat fruit every day,
which contains sugar. Fruit has its own benefits, so should I avoid
fruit because of the sugar? Obviously not.

You stated that "MSG is added to some foods, therefore it is an additive"
and I simply told you that it is not always the case. Period.
--
Vilco
Think pink, drink rose'

"Vilco" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

In parmigiano-reggiano, and other types of grana cheese, MSG forms
naturally during ageing. Same for tradizionale balsamic vinegar. It
*can be* an additive, but it is not *always* an additive.

This is getting silly. If I say "I don't eat a lot of sugar", what
*I* mean (which may differ from what YOU mean) is that there's hardly
ever a cookie in this house, or candy. But, I eat fruit every day,
which contains sugar. Fruit has its own benefits, so should I avoid
fruit because of the sugar? Obviously not.

You stated that "MSG is added to some foods, therefore it is an additive"
and I simply told you that it is not always the case. Period.
--
Vilco
Think pink, drink rose'


Are you saying that MSG is not an additive because it exists naturally in
some foods?

On Sep 20, 9:54?pm, Julia Altshuler wrote:
Sheldon wrote:
On the
other hand cured foods contain *added* nitrates and nitrites in far
greater quantity than foods containing MSG whether naturally or
added. You are far more likely to develop health issues from a ham
sandwich, bacon adn eggs, sausages, adn otehr cured foods than from
the the pinch of MSG in as packet of ramen seasoning... that packet is
mostly salt... consume a whole bag of potato chips in one sittingf you
will feel the same symptoms associated with Chinese Restaurnt Syndrome
( a myth), those symtoms occur do the Chinese cooks having a heavy
hand with plain table salt... eat a pound of cheese you'll feel ill
too, from the salt.
...
Some dishes really benefit from a small amount of MSG... yesterday I
made a full 8qt pot of very thick beef barley soup with 'shrooms, used
the entire pound of barley... added four large tomatoes from my garden
too... but even though beef, tomato, and shrooms contain substantial
MSG naturally it still needed more, I added a 1/4 tsp, made a big
difference, and I had been adding salt, but I didn't want salt soup,
then I may as well buy Campbells.

See, this is where the mystery comes in. I have no trouble with salt.
I don't have high blood pressure, like the taste, add it in my own
cooking, and sometimes eat a bunch of potato chips at one sitting. I
DON'T get symptoms from that. The only thing too much salt does to me
is make me thirsty so I drink water until I'm no longer thirsty. I like
beef, tomato sauce, and mushrooms too, eat them all the time, don't get
symptoms. I don't like cured foods like bacon and ham as much, but when
I do eat them, no symptoms.

Some Chinese restaurant food and Knorr's base mixes give me a nasty
headache at the temples, a feeling of malaise, and the aggravation of a
soft tissue damage injury which is very painful. The connection between
the symptoms and the ingredients is too consistent to be coincidental.
I believe you when you say it's not MSG, but what is it?

I already told you, your symptoms are from overdosing on ordinary
table salt... soup bases contain an abundance of table salt but
relatively little MSG. MSG is a salt too, what do you think the "S"
stands for. There is no such thing as Chinese Restaurant Syndrome,
it's a myth that was debunked long ago. All restaurant food contains
an over abundance of saltS, anyone who picks on Chinese restaurant
food is a cowardly bigot. Chinese restaurant food is very tasty
because it's salty so people eat too much is all, and then they get a
headache and blame the Chinese because they themselves are greedy
little bigoted pigs. Be honest, Julia... you hate slanty eyed
people, anyone who pulls the Chinese Restaurant syndrome card is a
racist.

Sheldon

Sheldon wrote:
Be honest, Julia... you hate slanty eyed
people, anyone who pulls the Chinese Restaurant syndrome card is a
racist.


Looks like you've got me there. I knew I couldn't hide it from you for
long.


Smooches,
--Lia

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:37:38 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Steve Wertz" wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:13:16 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Steve Wertz" wrote in message

That's a pretty stupid statement, even if it is directed as
Sheldon. MSG is fine when used at the right time and place.
Just like salt.

Nah. It's a cob job in the world of food.

Just like salt and pepper, right?

-sw


I'll agree when you can show me an ongoing debate about people feeling ill
from eating pepper.

MSG does nothing but make your mouth water.


you have heard of umami?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umami

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:03:55 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Steve Wertz" wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:37:38 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Steve Wertz" wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:13:16 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Steve Wertz" wrote in message

That's a pretty stupid statement, even if it is directed as
Sheldon. MSG is fine when used at the right time and place.
Just like salt.

Nah. It's a cob job in the world of food.

Just like salt and pepper, right?

I'll agree when you can show me an ongoing debate about people feeling
ill
from eating pepper.

sigh That's too easy:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...&btnG=S earch
Almost as many hits as MSG.

I notice you didn't want to bring up salt - which is supposedly
killing people VIA hypertension.

Not to mention fat, another crucial flavoring that is killing
people.

So what's different about MSG, salt, fat, and pepper? MSG isn't
killing people like salt - that I've heard of, at least.

-sw

How do you explain the fact that good cooks can make fabulous food without
adding MSG?


most good cooks would not completely rule out any ingredient,
especially a spice-type ingredient.

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:03:55 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Steve Wertz" wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:37:38 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Steve Wertz" wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:13:16 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Steve Wertz" wrote in message

That's a pretty stupid statement, even if it is directed as
Sheldon. MSG is fine when used at the right time and place.
Just like salt.

Nah. It's a cob job in the world of food.

Just like salt and pepper, right?

I'll agree when you can show me an ongoing debate about people feeling
ill
from eating pepper.

sigh That's too easy:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...&btnG=S earch
Almost as many hits as MSG.

I notice you didn't want to bring up salt - which is supposedly
killing people VIA hypertension.

Not to mention fat, another crucial flavoring that is killing
people.

So what's different about MSG, salt, fat, and pepper? MSG isn't
killing people like salt - that I've heard of, at least.

-sw

How do you explain the fact that good cooks can make fabulous food without
adding MSG?


most good cooks would not completely rule out any ingredient,
especially a spice-type ingredient.

your pal,
blake

Is polysorbate-80 a "spice type ingredient"? When I think of spices, I tend
to think mostly of things which come from plants.

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:02:27 -0400, Julia Altshuler
wrote:

Sheldon wrote:
Be honest, Julia... you hate slanty eyed
people, anyone who pulls the Chinese Restaurant syndrome card is a
racist.


Looks like you've got me there. I knew I couldn't hide it from you for
long.


Smooches,
--Lia

being called a racist by sheldon is like being called ugly by a toad.

your pal,
blake

"blake murphy" wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:37:38 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"Steve Wertz" wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:13:16 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Steve Wertz" wrote in message

That's a pretty stupid statement, even if it is directed as
Sheldon. MSG is fine when used at the right time and place.
Just like salt.

Nah. It's a cob job in the world of food.

Just like salt and pepper, right?

-sw


I'll agree when you can show me an ongoing debate about people feeling ill
from eating pepper.

MSG does nothing but make your mouth water.


you have heard of umami?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umami

your pal,
blake

No - that's interesting.

blake wrote on Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:09:44 GMT:

?? "Steve Wertz" wrote in message
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?? On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:37:38 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
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?? "Steve Wertz" wrote in message
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?? On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:13:16 GMT, JoeSpareBedroom
wrote:
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?? "Steve Wertz" wrote in
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?? That's a pretty stupid statement, even if it is
?? directed as Sheldon. MSG is fine when used at the
?? right time and place. Just like salt.
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?? Nah. It's a cob job in the world of food.
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?? Just like salt and pepper, right?
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?? I'll agree when you can show me an ongoing debate about
?? people feeling ill from eating pepper.
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?? sigh That's too easy:
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...&btnG=S earch
?? Almost as many hits as MSG.
??
?? I notice you didn't want to bring up salt - which is
?? supposedly killing people VIA hypertension.
??
?? Not to mention fat, another crucial flavoring that is
?? killing people.
??
?? So what's different about MSG, salt, fat, and pepper?
?? MSG isn't killing people like salt - that I've heard of,
?? at least.
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?? -sw
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?? How do you explain the fact that good cooks can make
?? fabulous food without adding MSG?
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bm most good cooks would not completely rule out any
bm ingredient, especially a spice-type ingredient.

I wonder how people tell that "good cooks" have not used MSG, a
naturally occurring substance despite the scare stories and a
stimulant for unami as you say? A number of good cooks also use
garlic without admitting so.

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

"James Silverton" wrote in message
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I wonder how people tell that "good cooks" have not used MSG

Umm....stand next to them and watch?

On Sep 20, 9:19 am, "Dee Dee" wrote:
"Giusi" wrote in message

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Pizza dough consists of flour, water, yeast, salt and olive oil. Period.

Reinhart (American Pie) in his Roman Pizza dough doesn't use olive oil.
In his other two formulas for Italian pizza doughs in that book, he does use
olive oil.

You know, when you say "American Pie" and "pizza dough," it conjures
an image.

I would say that any pizza dough could forego the olive oil. However, when
I do not put oo in the dough, I make up for the lack of it using it on top

Olive oil, not being a "water based lubricant," doesn't work well with
latex. Wait, who needs a condom to get it on with a soft, warm ball
of pizza dough.

:-)
Dee Dee

--Bryan