Joe Cilinceon wrote:


I'm thinking this is nothing more than trucking companies logo.

Possibly,I don't know beans about trucking companies but as I said
train/truck markings in regards to their contents and hazards are way
more obscure now.

On Sep 19, 12:05 pm, "Dee Dee" wrote:
"Steve Wertz" wrote in message

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Meanwhile I have a bike and walk around town next to your cars
and SUV's spewing forth all sorts of noxious fumes, poisoning the
environment, driving up the cost of food, and depositing soot all
over the streets and buildings. Not to mention causing wars and
the death of several thousand US military and civilians.

-sw

Nobody ever mentions TRUCKS!; I can't get from here to there without being
caught in a 'train' of trucks.
What mileage per gallon do they get and the exhaust is nauseating (sp?)
Nobody ever mentions recreational RV's. They are on the road going back and
forth Canada to Florida. What mileage per gallon do they get. A good
incentive to not tailgate. Who wants to breath all these fumes.


The roads are currently clogged with pickup trucks that get abysmal
gas mileage, largely due to massive overkill in the engine power
department. Many are in the 350 Horsepower range and I believe Toyota
has or soon will be coming out with one that has over 400 horsepower.
A Mack truck (Which actually needs that much HP) has something like
460 HP to pull a loaded semi trailer cross country. I think when you
buy a pickup truck, there is some unwritten law that you have to 1.
Put some kind of a really dumb sticker in your back window, 2. Get
sideview mirrors that stick two and a half feet out from the sides of
your truck, a heavy duty hitch and "Duelies" even if you don't intend
to ever pull a trailer. 3, Drive like a maniac all the time and 4,
Spend thousands and thousands of dollars to spiff up your truck in all
sorts of goofy ways. I've noticed that the amount of time and energy
people invest in making their pickup trucks look cool and tough is
inversely related to how much they really need a gas hogging pickup
truck. I suspect it's also probably inversely proportional to dick
size, but that's getting too far off topic even for me, a chronic off
topic poster.

Steve Wertz wrote:



I would want to see something to back that up too. I worked in commercial
vehicle enforcement for 18 years and spent a lot of time inspecting buses.
They burn a lot of fuel and emit a lot of crap into the air.
...
Almost all buses are diesel powered these days, and diesel engines use very
little fuel when idling.
But the exhaust still stinks.

I did have a longer response to this buy my machine flaked out.
Let me just quote this article. There's plenty more out the

http://www.capmetro.org/news/news_detail.asp?ID=19

Note that I am speaking mostly of public transit, not school
busses - which are of course the worst out there. Greyhound is
next, but a half full greyhound is still better than 20
individual cars (they are cleaner than school busses).


Note also that the claim we questioned was the one you made about how most
buses today emit only slightly more crap than am SUV. The article talks
about the new hybrid buses that have been purchased by a transit
authority..... the only one in Texas to try hybrids, and one of only a few
in the nation. Most transit buses are older, much older. While school bus
fleets usually only keep their buses for 10 years, transit buses are often
kept on the road for 25-30 years.

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T wrote:

Anyway - the point is that cars emit much more pollutants and
irritants than busses per passenger mile. But everybody is
afraid to ride busses (or commuter trains/light-rail) because
they're too lazy to get out of their cars.

-sw

If I had a reliable, timed bus line to New Braunfels to take me to work,
I'd use it. ;-) Energy costs in general are eating me alive!

I do see your point, totally. I look forward to the light rail going in.
The only drawback is that it'd limit groceries I brought home to what I
could carry in a back pack instead of the back of my truck. g
I also wonder what they'd think if I were to visit Saxet and board the
train with a hard or soft sided gun case...



Oh, light rail. I'd love to see that here but the damned politicians
can't see past the next bribe here.

It's taken them at least 10 years to bully it thru here.
Somebody probably finally greased the right palms.

But I'm not complaining. They have not started construction yet.
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T wrote:

In article , ost
says...
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:55:32 -0500, Steve Wertz wrote:

Anyway - the point is that cars emit much more pollutants and
irritants than busses per passenger mile.

Actually, the point - before everyone wanted to sidetrack it -
was that people are so quick to complain about cigarette smoke
which is miniscule compared to their firing up their car and
burning a couple/few gallons of gas every day - most of which can
be avoided.

Gas should be $5-10/gallon like it is in other parts of the
world. It'd sure help pay for the current war on gas.

-sw


The problem is there isn't enough mass transit in the U.S. to take up
the slack. Europe has lots of rail, both narrow gauge and light. Even
Volkswagen uses light rail to move parts between factories that are a
few miles apart.

Their countries are also a lot smaller.
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"Dee Dee" wrote:

"T" wrote in message
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Yes, RI had trackless trolleys that were electric. We traded that for
the damned diesel burners.


Don't you need fuel to produce electric?
Dee Dee

Not necessarily...
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Steve Wertz wrote:

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 19:42:22 -0400, Dave Smith wrote:

I would want to see something to back that up too. I worked in commercial
vehicle enforcement for 18 years and spent a lot of time inspecting buses.
They burn a lot of fuel and emit a lot of crap into the air.
...
Almost all buses are diesel powered these days, and diesel engines use very
little fuel when idling.
But the exhaust still stinks.

I did have a longer response to this buy my machine flaked out.
Let me just quote this article. There's plenty more out the

http://www.capmetro.org/news/news_detail.asp?ID=19

Note that I am speaking mostly of public transit, not school
busses - which are of course the worst out there. Greyhound is
next, but a half full greyhound is still better than 20
individual cars (they are cleaner than school busses).

ObFood: I'm on a liquid diet. I need a foie gras milkshake (no,
I'm not a militant liberal).

-sw

If you are concerned about nutrition while you heal up, consider
hitting GNC, or anyplace that carries meal replacement powders. (vitamin
fortified shake powders).

My personal preference is Isopure. It mixes up very smoothly without a
blender.

And don't overlook yogurt. You can thin it with milk.
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"Joe Cilinceon" wrote:

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Sounds cool, but I see LOTS of shipping containers on trains around here.
I've never seen them with wheels on them?
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Peace, Om

I will try to get a picture of one as they go by if at all possible. I was
really impressed with the simple design of them. Basically what I see is if
you look at a standard semi trailer the front set of train wheels fit to the
trailer the same why the semi does. Now the rear end of the trailer has a
plate added that supports the rear wheels which are a bit higher than the
front set. I figure the reason for this is for better air flow over it and
to raise the rear tires on the trailer to a safe distance above the rails.
It is really a net engineering setup.

Oh I believe you. :-)
It sounds great. I imagine the concept will spread to here if it works
out well there.
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Amarantha wrote:

Steve Wertz wrote in news:1l05na3hn5g98
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Actually, the point - before everyone wanted to sidetrack it -
was that people are so quick to complain about cigarette smoke
which is miniscule compared to their firing up their car and
burning a couple/few gallons of gas every day - most of which can
be avoided.



I don't have a problem with cigarette smoke because it's an environmental
pollutant. I have a problem with cigarette smoke because it causes me
severe and immediate medical distress.

I do have a problem with the number of petrol-burning vehicles on the
roads, but that's a completely separate issue.

K

Asthma?
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:55:05 -0500, Omelet
wrote:

In article ,
Steve Wertz wrote:


Anyway - the point is that cars emit much more pollutants and
irritants than busses per passenger mile. But everybody is
afraid to ride busses (or commuter trains/light-rail) because
they're too lazy to get out of their cars.

-sw

If I had a reliable, timed bus line to New Braunfels to take me to work,
I'd use it. ;-) Energy costs in general are eating me alive!

I do see your point, totally. I look forward to the light rail going in.
The only drawback is that it'd limit groceries I brought home to what I
could carry in a back pack instead of the back of my truck. g

you could get a granny cart and that would expand capacity some. any
new rail line would have to be wheelchair-accessible, so the cart
shouldn't be a problem.

your pal,
blake

Omelet wrote:


The problem is there isn't enough mass transit in the U.S. to take up
the slack. Europe has lots of rail, both narrow gauge and light. Even
Volkswagen uses light rail to move parts between factories that are a
few miles apart.

Their countries are also a lot smaller.

It is not just the countries. There is a continental network of rail by
which trains can provide rail service to even the smaller towns. About a
dozen years ago I spend a couple weeks roaming around Europe on a Eurail
pass and I was really impressed. You can get just about anywhere from
anywhere by train. They have frequent service and they (usually) run on
time.

While Europe is small and densely populated, consider the population
density in the US where there are huge centres of dense population, like
the eastern seaboard or southern California. A reliable and affordable rail
system would take a lot of pressure off the highways and save a lot of
fuel.

In article ,
Steve Wertz wrote:

On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 12:39:01 -0500, Omelet wrote:

In article ,
T wrote:

Oh, light rail. I'd love to see that here but the damned politicians
can't see past the next bribe here.

It's taken them at least 10 years to bully it thru here.
Somebody probably finally greased the right palms.

Note that Austin's light rail wasn't a matter of greasing palms -
they had already been greased. I'm not sure how it finally
passed, but it had to go up in front of the voters 3 times before
it finally passed.

Somebody probably greased the palms of the vote takers in this
case.

On good thing is that Austin's light rail will supposedly have
"free" WiFi that will maintain a connection from station to
train.

-sw

Very cool. :-)

I'm in FULL support of the light rail mind you!
I could never see the reason for objecting to it.
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blake murphy wrote:

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 13:55:05 -0500, Omelet
wrote:

In article ,
Steve Wertz wrote:


Anyway - the point is that cars emit much more pollutants and
irritants than busses per passenger mile. But everybody is
afraid to ride busses (or commuter trains/light-rail) because
they're too lazy to get out of their cars.

-sw

If I had a reliable, timed bus line to New Braunfels to take me to work,
I'd use it. ;-) Energy costs in general are eating me alive!

I do see your point, totally. I look forward to the light rail going in.
The only drawback is that it'd limit groceries I brought home to what I
could carry in a back pack instead of the back of my truck. g

you could get a granny cart and that would expand capacity some. any
new rail line would have to be wheelchair-accessible, so the cart
shouldn't be a problem.

your pal,
blake

With any luck, the light rail will lighten traffic a bit. Along with all
the toll roads they are trying to put in!
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Dave Smith wrote:

Omelet wrote:


The problem is there isn't enough mass transit in the U.S. to take up
the slack. Europe has lots of rail, both narrow gauge and light. Even
Volkswagen uses light rail to move parts between factories that are a
few miles apart.

Their countries are also a lot smaller.

It is not just the countries. There is a continental network of rail by
which trains can provide rail service to even the smaller towns. About a
dozen years ago I spend a couple weeks roaming around Europe on a Eurail
pass and I was really impressed. You can get just about anywhere from
anywhere by train. They have frequent service and they (usually) run on
time.

While Europe is small and densely populated, consider the population
density in the US where there are huge centres of dense population, like
the eastern seaboard or southern California. A reliable and affordable rail
system would take a lot of pressure off the highways and save a lot of
fuel.

Indeed.

And saving a lot of fuel is probably why they don't do it.
This country is pretty well run by the rich.

He who has the gold makes the rules...
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Dee Dee wrote:
"T" wrote in message
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Yes, RI had trackless trolleys that were electric. We traded that for
the damned diesel burners.


Don't you need fuel to produce electric?
Dee Dee

Water can easily be used to produce electricity.

Jill