"Steve Wertz" wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:08:40 -0500, Omelet wrote:

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Steve Wertz wrote:

While Congress does funnel a lot of busses, it also funnels 100x
more cars, too. Did you ever think maybe it was the cars
exhaust?

I did not smell car exhaust as much as diesel fumes from the Busses!

Capitol Metro uses a special type of diesel fuel that doesn't
smell anything like normal diesel. Soem of the busses are hybrid
electric/diesel as well - they use electricty to get up to speed
and diesel at cruising speeds.

How long ago was this?

Anyway - the point is that cars emit much more pollutants and
irritants than busses per passenger mile. But everybody is
afraid to ride busses (or commuter trains/light-rail) because
they're too lazy to get out of their cars.

-sw

That's just made-up poop, sw.
Dee Dee

"Omelet" wrote in message
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I was watching a Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmare's the other night where a
restaurant owner had finally got it together with his restaurant, but
then
they put a bus-stop right in front of his door. I kid you not, it was
exactly in front of his door.

Dee Dee

Mm, that could be good, or it could be bad...

I'm sure he could protest it?
--
Peace, Om "Human nature seems to be to control other people until they
put their foot down." -- Steve Rothstein

Ramsey decided to do an ad campaign plastered on the back of the bus
bringing the tourists right to the door of the restaurant. You gotta hand
it to him.

I see you have a new signature line.
Stamping foot,
Dee Dee

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"Dee Dee" wrote:

"Omelet" wrote in message
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I was watching a Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmare's the other night where a
restaurant owner had finally got it together with his restaurant, but
then
they put a bus-stop right in front of his door. I kid you not, it was
exactly in front of his door.

Dee Dee

Mm, that could be good, or it could be bad...

I'm sure he could protest it?
--
Peace, Om "Human nature seems to be to control other people until they
put their foot down." -- Steve Rothstein

Ramsey decided to do an ad campaign plastered on the back of the bus
bringing the tourists right to the door of the restaurant. You gotta hand
it to him.

Smart man. ;-)


I see you have a new signature line.

About time no? g

Stamping foot,

Steve is a police academy trainer locally.
It came from a long philosophical discussion I was having with him on
tx.guns. He's really fun to talk to. ;-)

And yes, I got his permission to use that statement as a sig!

Oddly enough, the conversation started out discussing the right and
wrong about killing whales... then went from there.

Dee Dee
--
Peace, Om

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"Human nature seems to be to control other people until they put their foot down." -- Steve Rothstein

"Steve Wertz" wrote in message
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:35:56 -0400, Dee Dee wrote:

"Steve Wertz" wrote in message

Anyway - the point is that cars emit much more pollutants and
irritants than busses per passenger mile. But everybody is
afraid to ride busses (or commuter trains/light-rail) because
they're too lazy to get out of their cars.

That's just made-up poop, sw.
Dee Dee

Yet another gas hog that refuses to see reality. There is no
arguing the above paragraph, and your retort is that of a 5
spoiled 5-year old.

-sw

Say what you will, I'm not a gas hog. Nor am I lazy. But probably immature
and stupid.
Dee Dee

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"Omelet" wrote in message
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Dad left me on the curbside in Austin near the Frost Building one day
for around 2 hours. I got out to take pics of the building.

He got lost. sigh

My lungs hurt for a good 24 hours, mostly from the bus exhaust I think!
They kept stopping near where I was.

Peace, Om


I was watching a Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmare's the other night where a
restaurant owner had finally got it together with his restaurant, but then
they put a bus-stop right in front of his door. I kid you not, it was
exactly in front of his door.

Dee Dee




BTW, a good book to read regarding the diesel bus thing is Internal
Combustion by Edwin Black. Lets put the blame where it belongs, General
Motors, Standard Oil (Now Exxon-Mobil), and Firestone.

And check this out:
http://truthspew.wordpress.com/2007/...d-what-is-now/

Yes, RI had trackless trolleys that were electric. We traded that for
the damned diesel burners.

In article , ost
says...
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:08:40 -0500, Omelet wrote:

In article ,
Steve Wertz wrote:

While Congress does funnel a lot of busses, it also funnels 100x
more cars, too. Did you ever think maybe it was the cars
exhaust?

I did not smell car exhaust as much as diesel fumes from the Busses!

Capitol Metro uses a special type of diesel fuel that doesn't
smell anything like normal diesel. Soem of the busses are hybrid
electric/diesel as well - they use electricty to get up to speed
and diesel at cruising speeds.

That would be low sulfur diesel fuel. It still stinks and the
particulates are still a problem.

The diesel-electrics sound interesting though.

In article , ost
says...
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:08:40 -0500, Omelet wrote:

In article ,
Steve Wertz wrote:

While Congress does funnel a lot of busses, it also funnels 100x
more cars, too. Did you ever think maybe it was the cars
exhaust?

I did not smell car exhaust as much as diesel fumes from the Busses!

Capitol Metro uses a special type of diesel fuel that doesn't
smell anything like normal diesel. Soem of the busses are hybrid
electric/diesel as well - they use electricty to get up to speed
and diesel at cruising speeds.

How long ago was this?

Anyway - the point is that cars emit much more pollutants and
irritants than busses per passenger mile. But everybody is
afraid to ride busses (or commuter trains/light-rail) because
they're too lazy to get out of their cars.

-sw


Actually those aren't the reasons I've heard. They'd rather not ride
with what they see as the rabble.

I use public transit. Why? Because I'm a frugal *******. Once gas went
over $2 a gallon I knew the gig was up and a pass is only $45 a month.

Not to mention that RIPTA has now implemented a very hackable e-fare
system.

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In article ,
Steve Wertz wrote:

On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:08:40 -0500, Omelet wrote:

In article ,
Steve Wertz wrote:

While Congress does funnel a lot of busses, it also funnels 100x
more cars, too. Did you ever think maybe it was the cars
exhaust?

I did not smell car exhaust as much as diesel fumes from the Busses!

Capitol Metro uses a special type of diesel fuel that doesn't
smell anything like normal diesel. Soem of the busses are hybrid
electric/diesel as well - they use electricty to get up to speed
and diesel at cruising speeds.

How long ago was this?

About 2 years. (File modification date for the photos is Jan. 5th 2005).
All I know is that when a bus stopped next to me, I had to run away from
it and gag as I could not breathe!


Anyway - the point is that cars emit much more pollutants and
irritants than busses per passenger mile. But everybody is
afraid to ride busses (or commuter trains/light-rail) because
they're too lazy to get out of their cars.

-sw

If I had a reliable, timed bus line to New Braunfels to take me to work,
I'd use it. ;-) Energy costs in general are eating me alive!

I do see your point, totally. I look forward to the light rail going in.
The only drawback is that it'd limit groceries I brought home to what I
could carry in a back pack instead of the back of my truck. g
I also wonder what they'd think if I were to visit Saxet and board the
train with a hard or soft sided gun case...



Oh, light rail. I'd love to see that here but the damned politicians
can't see past the next bribe here.

In article , ost
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:55:32 -0500, Steve Wertz wrote:

Anyway - the point is that cars emit much more pollutants and
irritants than busses per passenger mile.

Actually, the point - before everyone wanted to sidetrack it -
was that people are so quick to complain about cigarette smoke
which is miniscule compared to their firing up their car and
burning a couple/few gallons of gas every day - most of which can
be avoided.

Gas should be $5-10/gallon like it is in other parts of the
world. It'd sure help pay for the current war on gas.

-sw


The problem is there isn't enough mass transit in the U.S. to take up
the slack. Europe has lots of rail, both narrow gauge and light. Even
Volkswagen uses light rail to move parts between factories that are a
few miles apart.

Dee Dee wrote:

Most busses nowdays emit only slightly more crap as a single SUV.

I want facts! "Most" bussess. Well, that's a weasel-ly way of getting out
of proving anything;-)

I would want to see something to back that up too. I worked in commercial
vehicle enforcement for 18 years and spent a lot of time inspecting buses.
They burn a lot of fuel and emit a lot of crap into the air.

What about the amount of time they sit idly waiting with a/c on to catch up
to schedule.

Almost all buses are diesel powered these days, and diesel engines use very
little fuel when idling.
But the exhaust still stinks.

Joe Cilinceon wrote:

I hadn't ever seen this setup until earlier this year. Oh yes all of these
trailers have OCR on the side with no other markings.

Joe Cilinceon

Markings are less obvious now. I learned that in my Advanced Disaster
Life Support class. After 9-11, the Dept. of Transportation realized
that markings describing exactly which hazardous material was carried
within was probably not a good idea if you didn't want terrorists to
also be able to use that information for mischief.

"T" wrote in message
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Yes, RI had trackless trolleys that were electric. We traded that for
the damned diesel burners.


Don't you need fuel to produce electric?
Dee Dee

"Omelet" wrote in message
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Sounds cool, but I see LOTS of shipping containers on trains around here.
I've never seen them with wheels on them?
--
Peace, Om

I will try to get a picture of one as they go by if at all possible. I was
really impressed with the simple design of them. Basically what I see is if
you look at a standard semi trailer the front set of train wheels fit to the
trailer the same why the semi does. Now the rear end of the trailer has a
plate added that supports the rear wheels which are a bit higher than the
front set. I figure the reason for this is for better air flow over it and
to raise the rear tires on the trailer to a safe distance above the rails.
It is really a net engineering setup.

--

Joe Cilinceon

"Goomba38" wrote in message
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Joe Cilinceon wrote:

I hadn't ever seen this setup until earlier this year. Oh yes all of
these trailers have OCR on the side with no other markings.

Joe Cilinceon
Markings are less obvious now. I learned that in my Advanced Disaster Life
Support class. After 9-11, the Dept. of Transportation realized that
markings describing exactly which hazardous material was carried within
was probably not a good idea if you didn't want terrorists to also be able
to use that information for mischief.

I'm thinking this is nothing more than trucking companies logo.

--

Joe Cilinceon

Steve Wertz wrote in news:1l05na3hn5g98
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Actually, the point - before everyone wanted to sidetrack it -
was that people are so quick to complain about cigarette smoke
which is miniscule compared to their firing up their car and
burning a couple/few gallons of gas every day - most of which can
be avoided.



I don't have a problem with cigarette smoke because it's an environmental
pollutant. I have a problem with cigarette smoke because it causes me
severe and immediate medical distress.

I do have a problem with the number of petrol-burning vehicles on the
roads, but that's a completely separate issue.

K