"Joe Cilinceon" wrote in message
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I have seen something new in the trucking industry lately. We have a
pretty busy train track behind our place. I see a lot of semi trailers now
hooked up to rail type wheels and being pulled like any other box car. We
get one by about every 30 minutes during a normal day.

Joe Cilinceon

There can never too many train tracks. But that would be too easy.
Dee Dee

"Steve Wertz" wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:31:40 GMT, Michael "Dog3" wrote:

I don't have a bike but I strongly agree with you. Have you ever eaten
outside at a cafe? The bus fumes alone will kill a person. I would take
the
horse and buggy days any time.

Most busses nowdays emit only slightly more crap as a single SUV.


I want facts! "Most" bussess. Well, that's a weasel-ly way of getting out
of proving anything;-)

What about the amount of time they sit idly waiting with a/c on to catch up
to schedule.
That's enough time right there to play catch up. I see all sorts of big
busses sitting around waiting for their customers to come out.
Even at hospitals, the my-rides will sit and idle at the hospital doors --

Don't own no SUV. Don't ride no busses.
Dee Dee

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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 20:52:12 -0400, Dee Dee wrote:

"Steve Wertz" wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:31:40 GMT, Michael "Dog3" wrote:

I don't have a bike but I strongly agree with you. Have you ever eaten
outside at a cafe? The bus fumes alone will kill a person. I would take
the
horse and buggy days any time.

Most busses nowdays emit only slightly more crap as a single SUV.

I want facts! "Most" bussess. Well, that's a weasel-ly way of getting
out
of proving anything;-)

Look up "Naural Bas Bus". Most of the major cities have at least
a few of these on the popular routes.

What about the amount of time they sit idly waiting with a/c on to catch
up
to schedule.

It still doesn't amount to anything considering the average bus
carries over 200 passengers

That's enough time right there to play catch up.

Hardly. Do you realize that every fast-food restaurant with a
drive through has about 200 hours of idle cars waiting in it each
day? How many fast food restaurants are there compared to the
number of city/county busses on the road?

You can't seriously argue that busses can even come close to
spewing forth as much as cars per passenger (or driver) mile.



I couldn't use as 'logical' argument that cars idling in the fast food
lane is equal to busses lined up idling for hours; tour busses included, and
I don't recall if you used trucks in your equation; and the fact that some
of these major cities have a few busses in the category of emittance could
not make up for all the other city/county taxi-type busses throughout the
country. I don't have the facts for comparison, but do you?

I admit I have not taken a bus in years, but I'm trying to think of what an
average bus that carries over 200 passengers looks like.

I certainly believe that all of these things put together do amount to an
unacceptable problem, but I don't feel that one can single out the SUV
owners. I've heard this mantra too often to take it seriously. I think one
should think about the problem on a larger scale if a solution is to be
found, and that doesn't include singling out one segment of the population,
although one-step at a time is advisable IMO.

I had a friend who lived in SF who said that he would never own a car, and
did his daily rant. But when it came time for him to move, who drove him
all over looking for a new home, and who bought a car for himself to drive
back and forth to work. Ah, yes -- it was a nice little car; gee, he
could've biked it to work!

Dee Dee

On Sep 19, 10:14 am, "Nancy Young" wrote:
My Games magazine arrived and there is an old photo on the
cover. I'm supposed to guess where the photo was taken,

Mayberry?

"stark" wrote

On Sep 19, 10:14 am, "Nancy Young" wrote:
My Games magazine arrived and there is an old photo on the
cover. I'm supposed to guess where the photo was taken,

Mayberry?

(laugh!) How'd you guess? Actually, it's Zion, Illinois.

nancy

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Steve Wertz wrote:

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 18:31:40 GMT, Michael "Dog3" wrote:

I don't have a bike but I strongly agree with you. Have you ever eaten
outside at a cafe? The bus fumes alone will kill a person. I would take the
horse and buggy days any time.

Most busses nowdays emit only slightly more crap as a single SUV.
Plus they carry 5-40 people at a time - that would otherwise be
sitting in a car. I understand not every city has clean-running
busses, though. And sitting next to one as it goes from 0-20 MPH
isn't fun.

-sw

Dad left me on the curbside in Austin near the Frost Building one day
for around 2 hours. I got out to take pics of the building.

He got lost. sigh

My lungs hurt for a good 24 hours, mostly from the bus exhaust I think!
They kept stopping near where I was.

http://i3.tinypic.com/4mi57w7.jpg

Got some good pics tho'. :-) Even got some after sunset so the building
was lit.

That is one of the most awesome skyline structures in Austin imho.
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"Steve Wertz" wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:05:27 -0400, Dee Dee wrote:

"Steve Wertz" wrote in message
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Meanwhile I have a bike and walk around town next to your cars
and SUV's spewing forth all sorts of noxious fumes, poisoning the
environment, driving up the cost of food, and depositing soot all
over the streets and buildings. Not to mention causing wars and
the death of several thousand US military and civilians.

-sw

Nobody ever mentions TRUCKS!; I can't get from here to there without
being
caught in a 'train' of trucks.

I started to write trucks but changed it to SUV's. We need a
certain amount of trucks to bring out food and other supplies to
market. There are relatively few people that need their SUV's
and cars to get to work or run all sorts of poorly planned
errands - 1 person to a car.

-sw

I have seen something new in the trucking industry lately. We have a pretty
busy train track behind our place. I see a lot of semi trailers now hooked
up to rail type wheels and being pulled like any other box car. We get one
by about every 30 minutes during a normal day.

Joe Cilinceon

It's not new.

Those are shipping containers that come over by freight ship.
They then get passed over to trains or trucks for overland transport.
They all eventually end up on semi flat beds to their final destination,
but using trains to get them as far as possible is good.

We need to re-open more train tracks.
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On Sep 20, 10:43 am, Omelet wrote:
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"Joe Cilinceon" wrote:



"Steve Wertz" wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:05:27 -0400, Dee Dee wrote:

"Steve Wertz" wrote in message
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Meanwhile I have a bike and walk around town next to your cars
and SUV's spewing forth all sorts of noxious fumes, poisoning the
environment, driving up the cost of food, and depositing soot all
over the streets and buildings. Not to mention causing wars and
the death of several thousand US military and civilians.

-sw

Nobody ever mentions TRUCKS!; I can't get from here to there without
being
caught in a 'train' of trucks.

I started to write trucks but changed it to SUV's. We need a
certain amount of trucks to bring out food and other supplies to
market. There are relatively few people that need their SUV's
and cars to get to work or run all sorts of poorly planned
errands - 1 person to a car.

-sw

I have seen something new in the trucking industry lately. We have a pretty
busy train track behind our place. I see a lot of semi trailers now hooked
up to rail type wheels and being pulled like any other box car. We get one
by about every 30 minutes during a normal day.

Joe Cilinceon

It's not new.

Those are shipping containers that come over by freight ship.
They then get passed over to trains or trucks for overland transport.
They all eventually end up on semi flat beds to their final destination,
but using trains to get them as far as possible is good.

We need to re-open more train tracks.

I AGREE!!!!!
For both freight AND passenger rail.

We bought our tickets to NM for next March. We're going to CHI first,
for 2 days, then from there to Gallup, where we'll rent a car, then
we'll have 11 days until we have to be back to Gallup, to catch the
train back to StL.

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Peace, Om

--Bryan

"Omelet" wrote in message
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It's not new.

Those are shipping containers that come over by freight ship.
They then get passed over to trains or trucks for overland transport.
They all eventually end up on semi flat beds to their final destination,
but using trains to get them as far as possible is good.

We need to re-open more train tracks.
--

Actually Om these are the same trailers they pull behind a truck. The even
have the tires still on it. They simply lift up he trailer then lower it
down on two sets of train wheels in sets of 4. The connection is on the
train wheels them selves. These aren't sitting on a flat bed like shipping
container or even some truck trailers are hauled.

I hadn't ever seen this setup until earlier this year. Oh yes all of these
trailers have OCR on the side with no other markings.

Joe Cilinceon

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We need to re-open more train tracks.

I AGREE!!!!!
For both freight AND passenger rail.

Indeed.


We bought our tickets to NM for next March. We're going to CHI first,
for 2 days, then from there to Gallup, where we'll rent a car, then
we'll have 11 days until we have to be back to Gallup, to catch the
train back to StL.


--Bryan

Don't forget to visit Hatch! :-)
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:41:46 -0500, Omelet wrote:

Dad left me on the curbside in Austin near the Frost Building one day
for around 2 hours. I got out to take pics of the building.

It's pretty hard to lose the Frost bulding, it being the tallest
structure in Austin and can be seen from 30 miles away.

He forgot exactly where he dropped me.
Now we have cell phones...


My lungs hurt for a good 24 hours, mostly from the bus exhaust I think!
They kept stopping near where I was.

While Congress does funnel a lot of busses, it also funnels 100x
more cars, too. Did you ever think maybe it was the cars
exhaust?

-sw

I did not smell car exhaust as much as diesel fumes from the Busses!
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"Omelet" wrote in message
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It's not new.

Those are shipping containers that come over by freight ship.
They then get passed over to trains or trucks for overland transport.
They all eventually end up on semi flat beds to their final destination,
but using trains to get them as far as possible is good.

We need to re-open more train tracks.
--

Actually Om these are the same trailers they pull behind a truck. The even
have the tires still on it. They simply lift up he trailer then lower it
down on two sets of train wheels in sets of 4. The connection is on the
train wheels them selves. These aren't sitting on a flat bed like shipping
container or even some truck trailers are hauled.

I hadn't ever seen this setup until earlier this year. Oh yes all of these
trailers have OCR on the side with no other markings.

Joe Cilinceon

Sounds cool, but I see LOTS of shipping containers on trains around here.
I've never seen them with wheels on them?
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Dad left me on the curbside in Austin near the Frost Building one day
for around 2 hours. I got out to take pics of the building.

He got lost. sigh

My lungs hurt for a good 24 hours, mostly from the bus exhaust I think!
They kept stopping near where I was.

Peace, Om


I was watching a Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmare's the other night where a
restaurant owner had finally got it together with his restaurant, but then
they put a bus-stop right in front of his door. I kid you not, it was
exactly in front of his door.

Dee Dee

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"Dee Dee" wrote:

"Omelet" wrote in message
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Dad left me on the curbside in Austin near the Frost Building one day
for around 2 hours. I got out to take pics of the building.

He got lost. sigh

My lungs hurt for a good 24 hours, mostly from the bus exhaust I think!
They kept stopping near where I was.

Peace, Om


I was watching a Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmare's the other night where a
restaurant owner had finally got it together with his restaurant, but then
they put a bus-stop right in front of his door. I kid you not, it was
exactly in front of his door.

Dee Dee

Mm, that could be good, or it could be bad...

I'm sure he could protest it?
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:08:40 -0500, Omelet wrote:

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Steve Wertz wrote:

While Congress does funnel a lot of busses, it also funnels 100x
more cars, too. Did you ever think maybe it was the cars
exhaust?

I did not smell car exhaust as much as diesel fumes from the Busses!

Capitol Metro uses a special type of diesel fuel that doesn't
smell anything like normal diesel. Soem of the busses are hybrid
electric/diesel as well - they use electricty to get up to speed
and diesel at cruising speeds.

How long ago was this?

About 2 years. (File modification date for the photos is Jan. 5th 2005).
All I know is that when a bus stopped next to me, I had to run away from
it and gag as I could not breathe!


Anyway - the point is that cars emit much more pollutants and
irritants than busses per passenger mile. But everybody is
afraid to ride busses (or commuter trains/light-rail) because
they're too lazy to get out of their cars.

-sw

If I had a reliable, timed bus line to New Braunfels to take me to work,
I'd use it. ;-) Energy costs in general are eating me alive!

I do see your point, totally. I look forward to the light rail going in.
The only drawback is that it'd limit groceries I brought home to what I
could carry in a back pack instead of the back of my truck. g
I also wonder what they'd think if I were to visit Saxet and board the
train with a hard or soft sided gun case...
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