"Julie Bove" wrote in message
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I personally think soy is bad for a lot of reasons. For one thing, most
of it is GMO. It can also exacerbate thyroid problems. I used to consume
quite a lot of it in the form of Tiger's Milk bars, roasted soynuts,
canned soybeans, Edamame and Bocca burgers. Then there's the soybean oil
that's in everything! I totally quit the soy except for some things that
have soy lecithin (also have an egg allergy and most lecithin comes from
one or the other) and my thyroid problem went away. Daughter is also
allergic to soy as well as dairy.

Daughter uses rice milk. She likes it. For baking we use Vance's Dari
Replacer. I buy it online. There's also almond milk or hazelnut milk.

I can't say for sure one way or the other if soy would make men grow
breasts. But I've seen evidence that it could and I've got enough other
stuff against it that I just wouldn't use it.


I've heard an interview with the author, but have not read it. It's for
sale at Amazon:
"The Whole Soy Story: The Dark Side of America's Favorite Health Food" by
Kaayla T. Daniel

Dee Dee

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"Dee Dee" wrote:

Yes, I agree with everything you said above. When I said calcium
supplements, I meant a well-balanced group of minerals.

There was a bunch of citations years ago -- perhaps it's still valid, that
B-vitamins if not taken in a correct balance will create a deficit in
another particular B-vitamin. I have not read this in the last decade,
nor can I find any mention of it, but it was in literature.

I just take B-complex.



I'm not saying that is true with calcium/phosphorous/etc.mineral tabs, that
if they are not completely balanced that they will create an imbalance as I
stated above.

But even at that, if one is eating at all, I would think that one would
create an imbalance by the mere fact that one perhaps eats something with
some of those three that you mentioned -- or for that matter, any other
touted 'balanced' supplement.

Hard to say. I've recently read about an issue with Copper and Zinc, but
I'd have to look it up.


Even though I've taken 'balanced' tabs, I've always thought this strange.
One other reason that made me think about it is that I've for the past 10
years I've purchased every tablet separately in order to balance out my
intake. This has not been an easy task; and believe me if I were in another
state of mind; i.e., not post cancer, I wouldn't have even considered it.
But the vitamin and food world has been learning experience for me.

I so totally understand. ;-)


But I don't think one is really capable of determining the other food intake
that may contribute to an imbalance, in spite of taking a balanced formula.

There is still no pill substitute for a healthy diet, but we both know
that. g


OB: FOOD: Just finished a salad garden grown basil, tomatoes with plenty of
juice, 100% grain bread soaked in the tomato juice, parm regg (not too much
of,) some great Italian olives. Soooo happy.
Dee Dee

Sounds mahvelous!
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"Julie Bove" wrote:

Leafy greens are also a good source of calcium. I find that Swiss Chard cut
into slivers can be added to pretty much anything and my family will eat it.
I put it in tonight's chicken and vegetable soup. It's also good in salads.

Swiss Chard is my #1 favorite green. ;-d
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"Dee Dee" wrote:

Leafy greens are also a good source of calcium. I find that Swiss Chard
cut into slivers can be added to pretty much anything and my family will
eat it. I put it in tonight's chicken and vegetable soup. It's also good
in salads.


I do this with sorrel - it goes into lots of my cooked dishes. I even have
it on BLT instead of lettuce.
Dee Dee


I have a lot of sorrel growing wild.
I'll admit to not having tried to use it a lot.

Like Purslane, that might be fixin' to change. :-)
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In article gQKAi.32$J65.29@trndny08,
"Julie Bove" wrote:

Leafy greens are also a good source of calcium. I find that Swiss Chard
cut
into slivers can be added to pretty much anything and my family will eat
it.
I put it in tonight's chicken and vegetable soup. It's also good in
salads.

Swiss Chard is my #1 favorite green. ;-d
--
Peace, Om

Used to be mine, too. Don't know what happened -- perhaps it's the problem
of digesting it.
One last time I used it in a lasagna - how gaggy! I couldn't eat it. What
gave me the idea of using it instead of spinach -- totally different taste.
Dee Dee

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In article gQKAi.32$J65.29@trndny08,
"Julie Bove" wrote:

Leafy greens are also a good source of calcium. I find that Swiss Chard
cut
into slivers can be added to pretty much anything and my family will eat
it.
I put it in tonight's chicken and vegetable soup. It's also good in
salads.

Swiss Chard is my #1 favorite green. ;-d
--
Peace, Om

Used to be mine, too. Don't know what happened -- perhaps it's the problem
of digesting it.
One last time I used it in a lasagna - how gaggy! I couldn't eat it. What
gave me the idea of using it instead of spinach -- totally different taste.
Dee Dee

Maybe slicing it finer to help with digestion?

A lot of people don't chew their food well enough.
That is one thing I try to focus on more.

Eat SLOWER, no "wolfing".

Helps with digestion, and eating less for weight control.
Slower eating helps with satiation for eating less volume.

One of the things about working nights, it will often take me 2 to 3
hours to consume a meal. :-) There are only two of us working the lab.
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I believe this is actually true (to some extent). I have a friend who's
son (who was maybe 5 or 6 at the time) started developing little breasts
- turned out it was the soy milk he was drinking.

Blinky the Shark wrote:
wrote:
I am an 57 year old man. Recently I was told that men should not
drink soy milk because there is some sort of estrogen or something
like that in it which will cause men to grow breasts. I'm lactose
intolerant and cant drink regular cow milk. I missed the milk, and my
doctor said I was extremely low on calcium too, so I tried soy milk
and really liked it quite a lot. I had expected a bland tasteless
drink but was surprised how good the soy milk was. I have had quite a
few gallons of it over the last few years and never had any problems.
However now that I heard this thing about breasts I tend to wonder if
this could be true. Actually I thought it was a joke until I read the
container and it says "phytoesrogens help releive menopausal
symptoms". That does sound like there may be some truth to this. I
have not had any since I read that. What's the truth here?

The next time I'm in his office, I'll try to remember to ask my doctor,
James Milo "Big Titties" Sorensen.

Sharon V wrote:
I believe this is actually true (to some extent). I have a friend who's
son (who was maybe 5 or 6 at the time) started developing little breasts
- turned out it was the soy milk he was drinking.

Gynecomastica has been in existance for a LOT longer than we have been
drinking soymilk.

"Omelet" wrote in message
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A lot of people don't chew their food well enough.
That is one thing I try to focus on more.

Eat SLOWER, no "wolfing".

Helps with digestion, and eating less for weight control.
Slower eating helps with satiation for eating less volume.

One of the things about working nights, it will often take me 2 to 3
hours to consume a meal. :-) There are only two of us working the lab.

How big is that meal, anyway? ;-)

I take so long to eat a meal, that I'm ready for the next meal by the time
I'm finished.
Wolfing and howling,
Dee Dee

like that in it which will cause men to grow breasts. I'm lactose
intolerant and cant drink regular cow milk. I missed the milk, and my
doctor said I was extremely low on calcium too, so I tried soy milk
and really liked it quite a lot. I had expected a bland tasteless
drink but was surprised how good the soy milk was. I have had quite a

Soy milk is not a good source of calcium (unless it is calcium
fortified). Instead, drink lassi made with probiotic yogurt (safe for
lactose intolerance). It contains more calcium than milk.

1 cup milk: 113 mg calcium (11% daily value)
1 cup soy milk: 38 mg calcium (4% daily value)
1 cup lassi: 150 mg calcium (15% daily value)


Sweet Lassi

Yield: 2 servings of about 1 cups
Food cost per portion: $0.35
Source: http://www.cuisinecuisine.com/Lassi.htm

1 cup yogurt
1/2 cup water
1/2 cup ice cubes
3 to 5 teaspoons sugar
A pinch salt
A dollop plain yogurt for ganishing

Blend all the ingredients at high speed till frothy.
Add a dollop of fresh yogurt on top.
Makes two to three glasses of Lassi.

Nutritional facts per serving (daily value): Calories 115kcal; Protein
4g (9%); Total Fat 4g (6%)(Sat. 3g (13%)); Chol. 16mg (5%); Carb. 16g
(5%); Fiber 0g (0%); Sugars 16g; Calcium 150mg (15%); Iron 0mg (0%)
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On Aug 27, 1:48 am, wrote:
I am an 57 year old man. Recently I was told that men should not
drink soy milk because there is some sort of estrogen or something
like that in it which will cause men to grow breasts.

COOL! Then I can feel up my buddies when we are on long hunting
trips.


Roy

--Bryan, who could not resist posting the above

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:55:28 GMT, "Robert L Bass"
wrote:

Recently I was told that men should not drink
soy milk because there is some sort of estrogen
or something like that in it which will cause men
to grow breasts...

Roy,

There's nothing to worry about. I've been drinking soy milk
for over 10 years. My bra size has not increased at all. :^)

Robert

let's make sure. come over here and let me feel you up.

your pal,
blake

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Goomba38 wrote:

Sharon V wrote:
I believe this is actually true (to some extent). I have a friend who's
son (who was maybe 5 or 6 at the time) started developing little breasts
- turned out it was the soy milk he was drinking.

Gynecomastica has been in existance for a LOT longer than we have been
drinking soymilk.

True.
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"Omelet" wrote in message
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A lot of people don't chew their food well enough.
That is one thing I try to focus on more.

Eat SLOWER, no "wolfing".

Helps with digestion, and eating less for weight control.
Slower eating helps with satiation for eating less volume.

One of the things about working nights, it will often take me 2 to 3
hours to consume a meal. :-) There are only two of us working the lab.

How big is that meal, anyway? ;-)

Usually a small bowl such as one can of low salt veggies or something.

Generally 12 to 16 oz.

One bite, go spin a sample.
One bite, go start the machine.
One bite, go answer a phone call and try to trouble shoot.

Etc.


I take so long to eat a meal, that I'm ready for the next meal by the time
I'm finished.
Wolfing and howling,
Dee Dee

Come to work with me one of these nights. G
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Bobo wrote:

I am an 57 year old man. Recently I was told that men should not
drink soy milk because there is some sort of estrogen or something
like that in it which will cause men to grow breasts.

COOL! Then I can feel up my buddies when we are on long hunting
trips.

You've been doing that since puberty.