"kilikini" wrote in message
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As with hypercalcemia, too much iron in your blood can be dangerous.
Google hemochromatosis.

I have hemochromatosis. I'm familiar with it.

As I suspected.

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On Aug 27, 3:48?am, wrote:
I am an 57 year old man. Recently I was told that men should not
drink soy milk because there is some sort of estrogen or something
like that in it which will cause men to grow breasts. I'm lactose
intolerant and cant drink regular cow milk. I missed the milk, and my
doctor said I was extremely low on calcium too, so I tried soy milk
and really liked it quite a lot. I had expected a bland tasteless
drink but was surprised how good the soy milk was. I have had quite a
few gallons of it over the last few years and never had any problems.
However now that I heard this thing about breasts I tend to wonder if
this could be true. Actually I thought it was a joke until I read the
container and it says "phytoesrogens help releive menopausal
symptoms". That does sound like there may be some truth to this. I
have not had any since I read that. What's the truth here?

I don't ever drink cow's milk. There is plenty of calcium readily
available in many foods, even orange juice comes calcium fortified.
If you don't like plain OJ add lots of ice and vodka... you won't grow
breasts but the more vodka you drink the more all the women you come
into contact with will seem to have much larger breasts.

They need to print a warning on vodka labels: Objects seen in this
bottle will appear much larger than they actually are.

Sheldon Riga

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Omelet wrote:
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notbob wrote:

On 2007-08-27, wrote:

have not had any since I read that. What's the truth here?

The truth is you are too old to be drinking milk. But, if you don't
want soy or dairy milk, try rice milk. It's similar to soy milk and
should satisfy your craving with a little mental adjustment.

nb

Funny.

I've not consumed milk in years. Neither has dad.
I don't get why anyone not in the growth years would even want it.

But, that's just us.

We do consume some fermented dairy products, but not daily.
There are plenty of other calcium sources.

Cheese is a whole 'nuther subject being an art form and all. G

I have cheese daily and I haven't drank milk since I left my mom's house
at
age 18. I actually have *too* much calcium in my system and that's mostly
due to cheese. Pretty good for someone with a lactose intolerance. :~)
Gas, pain, bloating, etc. I gotta have my cheese! Milk, I only use in
recipes like soups or sauces. If I'm needing milk, I tend to use cream or
half and half because, again, it's only going into something. It's not
going to be consumed as is.

The irony of the whole thing (ha, I said iron and I have too much of that
in
my system as well), is what 40 year old woman's blood actually contains
too
much calcium? I was told I needed to lower my intake. Yeah, okay!

kili

Here's what I have read and been told, Kili.

If your blood contains a high level of calcium, it means that the calcium is
being taken from your bones and transferred into your blood. Hence
osteoporosis from not having enough calcium in your bones. So getting the
blood calcium to the norm is important. To say it another way:
Higher is not better. It means that your calcium is being leached out of
your bones into your blood making your calcium reading higher.

My calcium level was high, and my Vitamin D level was very low. Doctors
will prescribe tests for calcium rates, but most often erroneously will not
prescribe D at the same time, but both these tests work together to give a
true picture.

I, naturally would not take my word as gospel as to what I have explained,
but it is opposite of what is normally thought -- and the impression I
had --

With your health and mine in mind.
Dee Dee

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"kilikini" wrote:

Cheese is a whole 'nuther subject being an art form and all. G

I have cheese daily and I haven't drank milk since I left my mom's house at
age 18. I actually have *too* much calcium in my system and that's mostly
due to cheese. Pretty good for someone with a lactose intolerance. :~)
Gas, pain, bloating, etc. I gotta have my cheese! Milk, I only use in
recipes like soups or sauces. If I'm needing milk, I tend to use cream or
half and half because, again, it's only going into something. It's not
going to be consumed as is.

The irony of the whole thing (ha, I said iron and I have too much of that in
my system as well), is what 40 year old woman's blood actually contains too
much calcium? I was told I needed to lower my intake. Yeah, okay!

kili

How much _water_ do you drink daily?
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On 2007-08-27, LynneA wrote:

Cause cereal with water is GROSS. ;^)

True dat! OJ or beer is even worse. Fortunately, I finally broke my
near life-long addiction to cold cereal. Cap'n Crunch free for 3 yrs.
Woo-hoo!

Mashed potatoes, cakes and icings on rare occasions, that sort
of thing. For me, anyway.

Thank goodness they still sell those little cartons of milk. Kinda
pricey, but better than dumping .92 gals of sour milk.

nb

I've never cared for milk, but since we are now buying a gallon a week, I
have compiled my own list for using it up. All things I really like and are
extremely hard on your arteries: bechamel, (paneer) cheese, cream of
potato/leek/sorrel, etc. soup, ice cream, rice puddings, ganache, macaroni
& cheese, hot cocoa, butter....

My blood sugar is OK, but my cholesterol is high so I have cut down on using
the cream -

All this I hope controls my osteo-penia (not osteo-porosis).

Dee Dee

Geez Dee Dee! If you need calcium, there is nothing wrong with pills!
Just be sure to take a balanced supplement, not calcium tabs. They work
better. The ones I take work great according to my blood levels.

"Now" brand "Full spectrum Minerals". They are not expensive either.
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The irony of the whole thing (ha, I said iron and I have too much of that
in
my system as well), is what 40 year old woman's blood actually contains
too
much calcium? I was told I needed to lower my intake. Yeah, okay!


As with hypercalcemia, too much iron in your blood can be dangerous. Google
hemochromatosis.

Kili has that.

She knows.
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Surprisingly, some green veggies have a decent amount of calcium. Not as
high as dairy but they are also high in fiber and other nutrients:

http://www.carrotcafe.com/f/calevel.html
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High calcium levels can be caused by Sarcoidosis also, which I have and not
necessarily diet. My doctors monitor my calcium levels along with other
tests to see how active it is. If your doctor is running blood tests you
could always ask for an ACE (Angiotensin Converting Enzyme). ACE is
primarily ordered to help diagnose and monitor sarcoidosis.

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"kilikini" wrote:

Omelet wrote:
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"kilikini" wrote:

Cheese is a whole 'nuther subject being an art form and all. G

I have cheese daily and I haven't drank milk since I left my mom's
house at age 18. I actually have *too* much calcium in my system
and that's mostly due to cheese. Pretty good for someone with a
lactose intolerance. :~) Gas, pain, bloating, etc. I gotta have my
cheese! Milk, I only use in recipes like soups or sauces. If I'm
needing milk, I tend to use cream or half and half because, again,
it's only going into something. It's not going to be consumed as is.

The irony of the whole thing (ha, I said iron and I have too much of
that in my system as well), is what 40 year old woman's blood
actually contains too much calcium? I was told I needed to lower my
intake. Yeah, okay!

kili

How much _water_ do you drink daily?

That's a good question because I never measure. My favorite glass probably
holds 22 oz of water and I fill it, probably, 6 to 8 times a day, I'd say?
I always drink 2 full glasses immediately when I get up and then I just have
it next to me here on the desk and fill it as needed, so that's why I don't
know. If it's half-full and I have to go into the kitchen, I top it off.
Oh, and I like water at room temp, too. I don't use ice. :~)

kili

Okay.

It's just that sometimes that can help.

Blood chemistries can sometimes be altered by dehydration. :-)

MANY people don't drink enough water. Looks like you do!
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On Aug 27, 2:48 am, wrote:
I am an 57 year old man. Recently I was told that men should not
drink soy milk because there is some sort of estrogen or something
like that in it which will cause men to grow breasts. I'm lactose
intolerant and cant drink regular cow milk. I missed the milk, and my
doctor said I was extremely low on calcium too, so I tried soy milk
and really liked it quite a lot. I had expected a bland tasteless
drink but was surprised how good the soy milk was. I have had quite a
few gallons of it over the last few years and never had any problems.
However now that I heard this thing about breasts I tend to wonder if
this could be true. Actually I thought it was a joke until I read the
container and it says "phytoesrogens help releive menopausal
symptoms". That does sound like there may be some truth to this. I
have not had any since I read that. What's the truth here?

Roy

Why not do some research of your own? Just because it purportedly
relieves menopausal symptoms (big discrepancy in the studies and
personal experiences), doesn't mean there's enough of the hormone to
make you grow breasts.

Sheesh.

N.

(P.S.: The commercials for Soy milk show a male bovine creature
drinking it.)

On Aug 27, 8:39 am, notbob wrote:
On 2007-08-27, wrote:

have not had any since I read that. What's the truth here?

The truth is you are too old to be drinking milk. But, if you don't
want soy or dairy milk, try rice milk. It's similar to soy milk and
should satisfy your craving with a little mental adjustment.

nb

You're never too old to drink milk. I, personally, will never stop.

N.

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"LynneA" wrote:

"Omelet" wrote in message
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Funny.

I've not consumed milk in years. Neither has dad.
I don't get why anyone not in the growth years would even want it.

But, that's just us.

We do consume some fermented dairy products, but not daily.
There are plenty of other calcium sources.

Cheese is a whole 'nuther subject being an art form and all. G
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Cause cereal with water is GROSS. ;^)

We don't eat cold cereal.
Hot cereal is better with cream or butter.
Not _quite_ the same as milk gallons.


And cause I like my iced coffee
lightened.

Tea. With a smidge of heavy cream.

No milk.

Mashed potatoes,

Cream. Butter. Cheese.

cakes and icings on rare occasions, that sort
of thing. For me, anyway.

Lynne A


But see, all of the above does not involve drinking GALLONS of milk.
You are using it as a recipe ingredient. Even with the cereal.

Not the same thing as using it as a beverage. :-)
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It's a beverage in my coffeeG I drink a LOT of iced coffee in the summer.
My darling daughter is now ovo-lacto, so milk is pretty prominent in her
diet. Which is ok, I guess, since she can drink a gallon a day by
herselfshudder

And I'm jealous of you. I really miss cream, butter, and cheese! And
yogurt. Man, do I miss yogurt.

Lynne A

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Or almond milk, my personal fav. It's a little expensive, but really
good.

Lynne A

Cannot you make yourself almond milk.. I'm not sure -- perhaps too gritty?
Dee Dee

No, you absolutely can, you filter it through cheesecloth. But almonds are
bloody expensive here too, and then there's the time involved in making it.
So I don't bother. If I could get almonds in bulk for a good price I would,
though.

Lynne A

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It's a beverage in my coffeeG I drink a LOT of iced coffee in the summer.
My darling daughter is now ovo-lacto, so milk is pretty prominent in her
diet. Which is ok, I guess, since she can drink a gallon a day by
herselfshudder

And I'm jealous of you. I really miss cream, butter, and cheese! And
yogurt. Man, do I miss yogurt.

Lynne A


There is less lactose in cream and butter than there is in Milk.

Why are you avoiding yogurt if you drink milk in your iced coffee?
Or am I mis-understanding something here?
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Or almond milk, my personal fav. It's a little expensive, but really
good.

Lynne A

Cannot you make yourself almond milk.. I'm not sure -- perhaps too gritty?
Dee Dee

No, you absolutely can, you filter it through cheesecloth. But almonds are
bloody expensive here too, and then there's the time involved in making it.
So I don't bother. If I could get almonds in bulk for a good price I would,
though.

Lynne A


http://www.nextag.com/bulk-almonds/search-html

;-)
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