"Arri London" wrote in message
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It's similar in Islam. The Ramadan fast (which is occurring now) can be
dispensed with by the elderly, the sick, the pregnant and travellers
(who might not be able to eat during the permitted hours) etc.

And women who are menstruating...except they are supposed to make it up at
their first opportunity. I would imagine it's the same with people who are
sick (with non-terminal illnesses), pregnant, and travellers but that's just
my guess.

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Sylvia wrote in message ...
Seventh-day Adventists are supposed to be vegetarians, aren't they?

Not to my understanding, but I'm not a SDA so I could well be wrong.

what other religions exclude *specific* foods, not classes of?

I don't know of any religions that exclude specific foods -- they ALL
exclude "classes." Kosher excludes shellfish, anything from an animal
with cloven hooves, etc.

You have this wrong, animals must have cleft hooves and chew their cud
in order to be kosher.

-bwg

Barry Grau wrote:

You have this wrong, animals must have cleft hooves and chew their cud
in order to be kosher.


No, they must have both or neither.




Brian Rodenborn

Default User wrote:

Barry Grau wrote:

You have this wrong, animals must have cleft hooves and chew their cud
in order to be kosher.

No, they must have both or neither.


To be more clear, what Barry wrote applies to mammals.



Brian Rodenborn

Rona Yuthasastrakosol wrote:

"Arri London" wrote in message
...

It's similar in Islam. The Ramadan fast (which is occurring now) can be
dispensed with by the elderly, the sick, the pregnant and travellers
(who might not be able to eat during the permitted hours) etc.

And women who are menstruating...except they are supposed to make it up at
their first opportunity. I would imagine it's the same with people who are
sick (with non-terminal illnesses), pregnant, and travellers but that's just
my guess.

rona


Yes that is the case. However, the first opportunity might not come
until the next Ramadan. It's not required to make up the fast out of
season if that is the next opportunity.

"Sylvia" wrote in message
...

Sure. Mormons aren't allowed caffeine. Seventh-day Adventists keep
kosher more-or-less. Muslims aren't allowed pork or alcohol. IIRC,
Buddhists are vegetarians because they're not allowed to kill. And
those are just the few that popped into my mind.


Also, Jains are vegetarians (vegans?) and even certain vegetables are not
allowed in their diet. They are not supposed to eat at night, either.

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My understanding of Mormonism's prohibitions are that they
specifically say hot drinks, mentioning coffee and tea, and alcohol.

Interesting. I thought the prohibition was to caffeine in general, as I
too have known Mormons who wouldn't drink caffeinated soft drinks, but
again I'm not a Mormon so could have misunderstood this.

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You have this wrong, animals must have cleft hooves and chew their cud
in order to be kosher.

No, they must have both or neither.

Oh sheesh, I'm too tired to read through Leviticus to check on this
right now ... shouldn't read newsgroups at this hour.

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I can't find the other poster's name, having come onto this late. Sorry.

My understanding of Mormonism's prohibitions are that they
specifically say hot drinks, mentioning coffee and tea, and alcohol.

Interesting. I thought the prohibition was to caffeine in general, as I
too have known Mormons who wouldn't drink caffeinated soft drinks, but
again I'm not a Mormon so could have misunderstood this.

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coffee, tea, or coke, but I've seen him have a Dr. Pepper's, which I think
contains caffeine. As far as I know, they have no proscriptions for chocolate.



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On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 15:48:37 GMT, april-g
spake:

|Sylvia wrote:
|
| You have this wrong, animals must have cleft hooves and chew their cud
| in order to be kosher.
|
| No, they must have both or neither.
|
| Oh sheesh, I'm too tired to read through Leviticus to check on this
| right now ... shouldn't read newsgroups at this hour.
|
|OK -- mammals: Cloven of hoof and chew their cud
|
|seafood: have fins and scales (though I've never seen a fish with scales that
|didn't have fins)
|
|insects: certain types of locusts are kosher. However, the classifications
|have been lost over the years, so people no longer eat them.
|
|birds: my understanding on this is a bit fuzzy. My grandmother told me they
|must be domesticated so that you know what they've eaten and how they've been
|raised.

Only those mentioned as kosher. Turkey, tho, was somehow added
to the list, altho there are some who won't eat it because it's
not mentioned in Leviticus.

|In addition to all this, mammals and birds must also have been slaughtered by
|a certified "shochet" who is aware of the way it must be done in order to
|keep the animal kosher.
|
|If anyone wants any detailed information: http://www.jewfaq.org/kashrut.htm
|
|April G.

maxine in ri

Sylvia wrote:

You have this wrong, animals must have cleft hooves and chew their cud
in order to be kosher.

No, they must have both or neither.

Oh sheesh, I'm too tired to read through Leviticus to check on this
right now ... shouldn't read newsgroups at this hour.

OK -- mammals: Cloven of hoof and chew their cud

seafood: have fins and scales (though I've never seen a fish with scales that
didn't have fins)

insects: certain types of locusts are kosher. However, the classifications
have been lost over the years, so people no longer eat them.

birds: my understanding on this is a bit fuzzy. My grandmother told me they
must be domesticated so that you know what they've eaten and how they've been
raised.

In addition to all this, mammals and birds must also have been slaughtered by
a certified "shochet" who is aware of the way it must be done in order to
keep the animal kosher.

If anyone wants any detailed information: http://www.jewfaq.org/kashrut.htm

April G.

Here is the pertinent text. Large animals are defined by attribute -
cloven hoof and cud regurgitating are OK, the rest are not. Fish by
attribute - scaled and finned are OK, the rest are not. Birds by
exclusion - a specific list is unclean, by implication the rest are OK.
Insects are excluded by attribute with specific exemptions. 11:29 and
11:41 basically forbid just about any small animal.

11:3 Among mammals, you may eat [any one] that has true hooves that
are cloven and that brings up its cud. However, among the
cud-chewing, hoofed animals, these are the ones that you may
not eat:
The camel shall be unclean to you although it brings up its cud,
since it does not have a true hoof.
11:5 The hyrax shall be unclean to you although it brings up its cud,
since it does not have a true hoof.
11:6 The hare shall be unclean to you although it brings up its cud,
since it does not have a true hoof.
11:7 The pig shall be unclean to you although it has a true hoof which
is cloven, since it does not chew its cud.
11:8 Do not eat the flesh of any of these animals. [At this time] do
not touch their carcasses, since they are unclean to you.

11:9 This is what you may eat of all that is in the water:
You may eat any creature that lives in the water, whether in
seas or rivers, as long as it has fins and scales.
11:10 All creatures in seas and rivers that do not have fins and scales,
whether they are small aquatic animals or other aquatic creatures,
must be avoided by you. They will [always] be something to be
shunned. You must avoid them by not eating their flesh. Every
aquatic creature without fins and scales must be shunned by you.

11:13 These are the flying animals that you must avoid. Since they are
to be avoided, do not eat any [of the following]:
The eagle, the ossifrage, the osprey, the kite, the vulture
family, the entire raven family, the ostrich, the owl, the gull,
the hawk family, the falcon, the cormorant, the ibis, the swan,
the pelican, the magpie, the stork, the heron family, the hoopoe,
and the bat.

11:20 Every flying insect that uses four legs for walking shall be
avoided by you.
11:21 The only flying insects with four walking legs that you may eat
are those which have knees extending above their feet, [using
these longer legs] to hop on the ground.
11:22 Among these, you may [only] eat members of the red locust family,
the yellow locust family, the spotted grey locust family, and the
white locust family.
11:23 All other flying insects with four feet [for walking] must be
avoided by you.

11:24 There are [also] animals that will defile you so that anyone
touching their carcasses will be unclean until evening.
11:25 Furthermore, anyone lifting their carcasses will have to immerse
[even] his clothing, and then remain unclean until evening.
11:26 Thus, every animal that has true hooves, but is not cloven-hoofed
and does not bring up its cud, is unclean to you, and anyone
touching [its flesh] shall become unclean. [Similarly], every
animal that walks on its paws among four-footed animals shall be
unclean to you, and anyone touching its carcass shall be unclean
until evening. [Furthermore], one who lifts its carcass must
immerse [even] his clothing and then remain unclean until evening.
They are unclean to you [in this respect].

11:29 These are the smaller animals that breed on land which are unclean
to you: the weasel, the mouse, the ferret, the hedgehog, the
chameleon, the lizard, the snail, and the mole. These are the
small animals that are unclean to you; whoever touches them when
they are dead shall remain unclean until evening.

11:32 If any of these dead animals falls on anything, such as wooden
vessels, clothing, leather goods, sacks, or any other article with
which work is done, then [that article] must be immersed in a
mikvah, and remain unclean until evening, whereupon it becomes
clean. If any of [these dead animals] falls on the inside of a
clay vessel, then anything inside it becomes unclean, and [the
vessel itself] shall be broken. Thus, any usual food that has
[once] been wet with water shall become unclean. Any usual
beverage in a vessel [likewise] becomes unclean. Thus, anything
upon which their dead bodies fall shall be unclean. In such a
case, even an oven or range is unclean, and must be broken down,
since it otherwise remains unclean to you.

11:36 The only thing that shall [always] remain ritually clean is a
mikvah of water, whether it is a [man-made] pit or a [natural]
spring. Any other [water] that comes in contact with the dead
bodies [of these animals] shall become unclean. If their dead
bodies fall on any edible seeds that are planted, [the seeds]
remain ritually clean. However, if water has [once] been placed
on [such unplanted] seeds, and then the dead body of [any of
these animals] falls on them, the [seeds] shall be unclean to you.
11:39 If any animal that you may eat dies, anyone touching its carcass
shall be unclean until evening. Anyone eating something from such
a carcass must immerse [even] his clothing, and then remain
unclean until evening. Similarly, one who lifts such a carcass
shall immerse [even] his clothing and then remain unclean until
evening.

11:41 Every small animal that breeds on land shall be avoided by you
and shall not be eaten. Thus, you may not eat any creature that
crawls on its belly, or any small animal with four or more feet
that breeds on land. They are [all] things that must be avoided.
11:43 Do not make yourselves disgusting [by eating] any small creature
that breeds. Do not defile yourselves with them, because it will
make you spiritually insensitive.

11:44 For I am God your Lord, and since I am holy, you must [also] make
yourselves holy and remain sanctified. Therefore, do not defile
your souls [by eating] any small animal that lives on the land.
11:45 I am God, and I brought you out of Egypt to be your God.
Therefore, since I am holy, you must [also] remain holy.
11:46 This then is the law concerning mammals, birds, aquatic creatures
and lower forms of terrestrial animals.
11:47 [With this law, you will be able] to distinguish between the
unclean and the clean, between edible animals and animals which
may not be eaten.

On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 02:04:28 GMT, Sylvia
spake:

|What's a hyrax?

It's a furry creature that hangs out in high places (no pun
intended). They have a couple at the zoo in Providence,
but they don't give much information about them, not even where
they come from.

maxine in ri

Maxine in RI writes:

Only those mentioned as kosher. Turkey, tho, was somehow added
to the list, altho there are some who won't eat it because it's
not mentioned in Leviticus.

Turkey is definitely considered kosher, and is the most often eaten meat in
Israel... Israel maintains turkey ranches tantamount to US cattle ranches...
not that Israel is any specail criteria, kosher turkey is prevalent world wide.
Btw, all foods were added to "the list"... all subjectively as there is no
logical reason for kosher, none whatsoever... just as there is no logical
reason for religion, none whatsoever, except as a system developed for herding
the brainless.


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