Steve Wertz wrote:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:02:35 -0400, Nancy Young
wrote:

Steve Wertz wrote:

Russian dressing is made with mayo, which would make the sandwich very
un-kosher.

How so?

I have no idea. I was thinking mayo was dairy. I *do* know better
than that; just a temporary brain fart. Heck - I make my own mayo all
the time... duh.

Nevermind.

(laughing) I was kidding you, I once had a horror that I ordered
mayo on a sandwich in a kosher deli, did I violate some dietary
law without realizing it? and someone said, no, mayonnaise is not
dairy.

nancy the evil person

Steve Wertz wrote:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:23:24 -0400, Nancy Young
wrote:

I didn't get your answer, I was curious why you said that.

I often forget to check back up on the threads I've posted to, so
don't panic.

This is one of those threads where I happened to check back, saw my
name and all the followups, and said to myself "Uh-oh. What did I say
*now*" :-)

I was just busting your chops, I do the same thing.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote in message ...
Sheryl Rosen wrote:

in article , Nancy Young at
wrote on 10/15/03 5:42 PM:

I got some kind of ham and swiss, a tarragon chicken and a Jewish
sloppy joe type of thing. All of them are much fancier than I make
them sound.

Nancy, this begs the question:
what is a "Jewish Sloppy Joe type of thing"?

I'm reaching into my memory bank and cannot come up with anything close.

Oh, I'm sorry, I should have explained. Dollars to donuts you will
recognize what I'm talking about. A Jewish sloppy joe has three
thin slices of rye bread. I *think* usually one layer is turkey,
the other is roast beef, but heaven forbid I say that is the
definitive sloppy joe. Russian dressing and coleslaw. Excellent
sandwich.

The reason I say my sandwich was a Jewish sloppy joe 'type' of
thing is it had corned beef and I didn't really notice what other
type of cold cut, plus only 2 slices of bread. Very much in the
mode of the sloppy joe, though.

nancy


Never heard of that being called a sloppy joe. that, to me, is just a
triple decker.
could be anything: turkey and roast beef. pastrami and corned beef.
chopped liver and corned beef. salami and....whatever. you get the
idea. cole slaw and russian dressing are not optional. they make these
at the stage deli, among other delis in nyc.

i'm not saying they aren't called sloppy joe in your neck of the
woods...i can understand the name, they are very sloppy to eat. (but
good).

SOOO when you said "jewish sloppy joe", i was thinking ground beef,
seasoned with tomato sauce type of things, or maybe...brisket,
shredded with some kind of gravy or pot roast sauce, that sort of
thing. variations on the Manwich theme. Meat in sauce on a bun.

the sandwich you described sounds wonderful. the name is what confused
me.
that's all.

Sheryl wrote:

Nancy Young wrote in message

The reason I say my sandwich was a Jewish sloppy joe 'type' of
thing is it had corned beef and I didn't really notice what other
type of cold cut, plus only 2 slices of bread. Very much in the
mode of the sloppy joe, though.

Never heard of that being called a sloppy joe. that, to me, is just a
triple decker.
could be anything: turkey and roast beef. pastrami and corned beef.
chopped liver and corned beef. salami and....whatever. you get the
idea. cole slaw and russian dressing are not optional. they make these
at the stage deli, among other delis in nyc.

I can tell you distinctly the first time I ever heard of Jewish sloppy
joes. I had a Jewish co-worker who wanted to go get takeout
sandwiches from a kosher deli in Vaux Hall, NJ, somewhat of a ride
from Summit, where we worked. I mean, for takeout. Fine, what on
earth is a Jewish sloppy joe? Never had heard of that, so you can
imagine I was thinking ... ground beef in tomato whatever?

At any rate, I have no idea why they are called Jewish sloppy joes,
but around here, they are. Don't forget, the rye bread must be
thin! (smile) So when I saw sloppy joe on the sandwich menu, that's
what I wanted. I was trying to get an assortment of sandwiches for
everyone, but half of that baby was mine all mine.

the sandwich you described sounds wonderful. the name is what confused
me.
that's all.

I didn't mean to be cryptic. Not at all.

This same girl, she knew her way around food, I was not from the area.
She also introduced me to Italian hotdogs. I gather they were
invented in that area surrounding or in Newark, NJ. Two hotdogs,
sauteed peppers and potatoes, geez I'm really forgetting something,
all on one nice bun. Yum. Mee.

nancy

Nancy Young writes:

Sheryl wrote:
Nancy Young wrote in message

The reason I say my sandwich was a Jewish sloppy joe 'type' of
thing is it had corned beef and I didn't really notice what other
type of cold cut, plus only 2 slices of bread. Very much in the
mode of the sloppy joe, though.

Never heard of that being called a sloppy joe. that, to me, is just a
triple decker.
could be anything: turkey and roast beef. pastrami and corned beef.
chopped liver and corned beef. salami and....whatever. you get the
idea. cole slaw and russian dressing are not optional. they make these
at the stage deli, among other delis in nyc.

I can tell you distinctly the first time I ever heard of Jewish sloppy
joes.

In Brooklyn the correct Jewish term is 'sloppy seconds'. hehe


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not stewing a lamb in it's mother's milk

Actually, it's not cooking a kid (young goat) in its mother's milk.
Refers to a pagan ceremony which of course the Israelites were not
supposed to participate in. But the Talmud (fifteen centuries or so of
rabbinical commentary) expanded that prohibition to no meat products at
the same meal as milk products or vice versa, so those who keep kosher
(not all Jews by any means) would not be able to eat a milk-containing
mayonnaise on a meat sandwich.

OTOH, basic mayo just contains egg, lemon juice, salt, and oil, and I
don't remember whether egg is meat, dairy, or pareve (can be eaten with
either milk or meat).

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Nancy Young wrote:

I didn't mean to be cryptic. Not at all.

maybe it's your style of writing ?
it always sounds nasty to me.

no offense, of course.


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"Sylvia" wrote in message
OTOH, basic mayo just contains egg, lemon juice, salt, and oil, and I
don't remember whether egg is meat, dairy, or pareve (can be eaten with
either milk or meat).

--
Sylvia Steiger RN, homeschooling mom since Nov 1995

From the Kosher Food FAQ:


PAREVE (neutral) Food:

Fish, eggs, vegetables, fruits and grains may be eaten with either milk or
meat dishes.

NOTE: Some communities do not permit fish and meat to be cooked together,
and some do not permit fish and dairy to be cooked together. They may,
however, be served at the same meal on
separate dishes and with separate utensils. It is not the place of this FAQ
to get into the details or reasons for these practices.

Pareve (neutral) cooking oils such as vegetable oils and shortenings may be
used with both milk and meat dishes.

Flour, without dairy additives, is pareve.

maybe it's your style of writing ?
it always sounds nasty to me.

no offense, of course.


I always find Nancys style to be funny.. different strokes , I guess.
Rosie

Rosie Miller wrote:


maybe it's your style of writing ?
it always sounds nasty to me.

no offense, of course.


I always find Nancys style to be funny.. different strokes , I guess.
Rosie

No kidding Rosie. I've never read anything "nasty" from Nancy.
Intelligent, witty, knowledgeable, these things I've read from her.
Nasty..no. Lea on the other hand...?
Goomba

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 03:14:34 GMT, Sylvia
wrote:

not stewing a lamb in it's mother's milk

Actually, it's not cooking a kid (young goat) in its mother's milk.
Refers to a pagan ceremony which of course the Israelites were not
supposed to participate in. But the Talmud (fifteen centuries or so of
rabbinical commentary) expanded that prohibition to no meat products at
the same meal as milk products or vice versa, so those who keep kosher
(not all Jews by any means) would not be able to eat a milk-containing
mayonnaise on a meat sandwich.

OTOH, basic mayo just contains egg, lemon juice, salt, and oil, and I
don't remember whether egg is meat, dairy, or pareve (can be eaten with
either milk or meat).

Hmm, in theory it should be OK to serve chicken and milk together
since chickens aren't mammals... but it's not. OTOH, a chicken salad
sandwich with mayonnaise (or other egg-chicken combos) should be
forbidden... but it isn't :

Sue(tm)
Lead me not into temptation... I can find it myself!

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 13:35:27 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:

"Sylvia" wrote in message
OTOH, basic mayo just contains egg, lemon juice, salt, and oil, and I
don't remember whether egg is meat, dairy, or pareve (can be eaten with
either milk or meat).

From the Kosher Food FAQ:

PAREVE (neutral) Food:

Fish, eggs, vegetables, fruits and grains may be eaten with either milk or
meat dishes.

Interesting. Do you know of any reference (web site) that explains the
reasons behind kosher food directives? I've always thought they must
be based on ritualizing good sanitary practices, and boiling a kid in
its mother's milk seems kind of mean, but if you can eat milk and
meat, but only on separate dishes, what purpose (other than ritual)
does that serve?

"Nancy Young" wrote in message
...
maxine in ri wrote:

Mayo wouldn't make it unkosher. It's eggs and oil--no dairy stuff
in it.

I confess, I order mayo on pastrami in kosher delis. I'll wait a
minute until you get over that thought. (laugh)

My question is, do you know what I mean by Jewish sloppy joe, or at
any rate before I described it? Just curious.


Although you weren't speaking to me, I do not know what you meant by Jewish
sloppy joe, could you please elaborate?

wrote in message ...
Nancy Young wrote:
Nancy, this begs the question:
what is a "Jewish Sloppy Joe type of thing"?

Oh, I'm sorry, I should have explained. Dollars to donuts you will
recognize what I'm talking about. A Jewish sloppy joe has three
thin slices of rye bread. I *think* usually one layer is turkey,
the other is roast beef, but heaven forbid I say that is the
definitive sloppy joe. Russian dressing and coleslaw. Excellent
sandwich.

You seem to be describing what I would call a Dagwood, not
anything close to a sloppy Joe.

I was thinking the same thing. To me, a sloppy joe is browned crumbled
hamburger, seasoned and served on a roll. Interesting.

"Steve Wertz" wrote in message
...
On 17 Oct 2003 19:58:43 GMT, (PENMART01) wrote:



In Brooklyn the correct Jewish term is 'sloppy seconds'. hehe

Is that how you were conceived?

A fair guess, I'd say!