"zxcvbob" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"l, not -l" wrote in message
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On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

Then, the dictionary is wrong.
Based upon your past history of posts here, I figured you'd say that.


The dictionary's explanation violates the rules of English pronunciation.
If you disagree, explain why, in detail. If you believe the word we're
discussing is an exception, explain why.

So... *all* the dictionaries are wrong, and you are right?

Clue: Look up the etymology of a word to get an idea why it's pronounced
weird. ("crappie" was borrowed from French "crapet" I thought it was
gonna be something German with an umlaut)

Best regards,
Bob

OK. That makes sense.

"l, not -l" wrote in message
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On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

The dictionary's explanation violates the rules of English pronunciation.
If
you disagree, explain why, in detail. If you believe the word we're
discussing is an exception, explain why.

This is what I believe:
The American Heritage Dictionary and The Merriam-Webster Dictionary are
more
authoritative sources than a self-appointed, newsgroup English teacher.
If
you have credentials that substantiate you being a better lexicographer
than
those that edited the above referenced dictionaries, please present them.

--
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Are you questioning the rules of pronunciation? I hope not.

As far as the specific word we're discussing, read zxcvbob's explanation,
which makes sense, to an extent.

On Aug 9, 1:06?pm, zxcvbob wrote:

Clue: Look up the etymology of a word to get an idea
why it's pronounced weird. ("crappie" was borrowed from
French "crapet" I thought it was gonna be something
German with an umlaut)

Just out of curiosity, I looked in a Shorter Oxford O.E.D.
I found this entry for "crappie" - U.S. 1861. A species of
sunfish, pomoxys annularis, found in the Mississippi.
It shows the "a" pronounced as in "man".

The next entry is "crappit-head" - the head of a haddock
stuffed with the roe, oatmeal, suet and spices.

Not only that, this editor/reviser is C. T. Onions.

"KevinS" wrote in message
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On Aug 9, 1:06?pm, zxcvbob wrote:

Clue: Look up the etymology of a word to get an idea
why it's pronounced weird. ("crappie" was borrowed from
French "crapet" I thought it was gonna be something
German with an umlaut)

Just out of curiosity, I looked in a Shorter Oxford O.E.D.
I found this entry for "crappie" - U.S. 1861. A species of
sunfish, pomoxys annularis, found in the Mississippi.
It shows the "a" pronounced as in "man".

The next entry is "crappit-head" - the head of a haddock
stuffed with the roe, oatmeal, suet and spices.

Not only that, this editor/reviser is C. T. Onions.


In certain parts of Western NY, they avoid the issue entirely, calling the
fish a papermouth.

On Aug 8, 11:49 pm, Blinky the Shark wrote:
zxcvbob wrote:
I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like
Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old

Bob, are you from the USan south/southeast? Nothing pejorative
intended; just a question, as I'm curious about the demographics of
Miracle Whip preference.

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Hey, Blinky, I like MW and I grew up in the Midwest. We had home-made
boiled salad dressing during my entire growing-up years (my family
farmed, and my mom didn't buy that kinda stuff at a store). I don't
know why I like it better, I just do. Bite me. ;-)

N.

On Aug 9, 9:00 am, Melba's Jammin' wrote:
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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they
pronounce this fish:

crappie

Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will bring sin
and destruction upon their houses?

No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce it. "-)
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pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

Us, too, down here in Iowa. ;-) I've never heard anyone NOT say
"croppie."

N.

On Aug 9, 1:57 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Aug 9, 9:34 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"l, not -l" wrote in
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On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety.
[snip]

According to the M-W online dictionary, croppie is the correct
pronunciation. Click on the little speaker symbol to hear it
pronounced,
if you don't believe what you see. [snip]

Then, the dictionary is wrong.

No, you're wrong in this specific instance, but your point about
pronunciations being changed to avoid embarrasment is correct. Middle
school and high school teachers know all the words which elicit
adolescent giggles. I think it's the national tv producers who are
the culprits in using this as an excuse for fomenting
mispronunciations. My pet peeve in this line is "harass". It was
properly said, "ha-RASS" until the fear of giggles now makes it more
often heard, "HAIR-uss". -aem

I'm wrong? How do you come to that conclusion, considering the accepted
rules of pronunciation for English? Sure, there are exceptions, but
"crappie" isn't one of them, unless you want to take the easy way out and
call it a regional flaw.- Hide quoted text -


Every rule has exceptions.

N.0

zxcvbob said...

I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like
Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old
Miracle Whip that had soybean oil as the first ingredient instead of the
second. So what do I need to mix into homemade mayo to make homemade
Salad Dressing. Corn starch and water paste, paprika, and sugar?

Thanks,
Bob


Bob,

Late to the thread.

This doesn't apply to your question but it's worthy of your consideration at
least.

I see-saw between mayo and miracle whip depending on diet.

Currently in diet mode, I've found TJ's tub of garlic hummus to be a miracle
substitute nutritional and flavorwise.

It's substituted for ketchup, mustard and mayo with great results.

It's been great for tuna salad sandwiches, on chicken, etc., etc.

I have no problem with miracle-whip-free, except some of the artificialness
of it.

Sorry.

--
Andy
Three Stooges in One
CotD #2

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 22:59:43 -0500, zxcvbob
wrote:

I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like
Miracle Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old
Miracle Whip that had soybean oil as the first ingredient instead of the
second. So what do I need to mix into homemade mayo to make homemade
Salad Dressing. Corn starch and water paste, paprika, and sugar?

Thanks,
Bob

dear god.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 23:52:36 -0500, zxcvbob
wrote:

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"zxcvbob" wrote in message
...
I know how to make mayonnaise, but (except for in egg salad) I like Miracle
Whip better. (It's what I grew up with) Especially the old Miracle Whip
that had soybean oil as the first ingredient instead of the second. So
what do I need to mix into homemade mayo to make homemade Salad Dressing.
Corn starch and water paste, paprika, and sugar?

Thanks,
Bob


First you say you like Miracle Whip (branding yourself as a mutant), and
then you ask about salad dressing, which you had to reason to capitalize.
Are you asking how to make your mayo taste like Miracle Whip, or some other
thing?




I thought that was obvious. Yes, I want to make my own Miracle Whip
clone to use on sandwiches and in salads. I've made "boiled salad
dressing" before, but it isn't fatty enough. I'll continue to use real
mayo when I make egg salad or deviled eggs, which are the two legitimate
uses for it.

(You're afraid of dog shit, what does that make you?)

Bob

why not just buy it?

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:55:00 -0700, aem wrote:

On Aug 9, 9:34 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"l, not -l" wrote in ...
On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety. [snip]

According to the M-W online dictionary, croppie is the correct
pronunciation. Click on the little speaker symbol to hear it pronounced,
if you don't believe what you see. [snip]

Then, the dictionary is wrong.

No, you're wrong in this specific instance, but your point about
pronunciations being changed to avoid embarrasment is correct. Middle
school and high school teachers know all the words which elicit
adolescent giggles. I think it's the national tv producers who are
the culprits in using this as an excuse for fomenting
mispronunciations. My pet peeve in this line is "harass". It was
properly said, "ha-RASS" until the fear of giggles now makes it more
often heard, "HAIR-uss". -aem

i once went to a columbia football game. one of the crowd chants was:

harass them! harass them!
make them relinquish the ball!

as i recall, the pronunciation was 'ha-RASS.'

your pal,
blake

"l, not -l" wrote in message
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On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

Are you questioning the rules of pronunciation? I hope not.

As far as the specific word we're discussing, read zxcvbob's explanation,
which makes sense, to an extent.

Nice try. I never questioned the rules of pronunciation, only your
adamant
assertion that yours was the authoritative pronunciation of the word
crappie. You were mistaken.


And yet, Kevin found my pronunciation in another dictionary. That's
interesting, don't you think?

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:17:58 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"KW" keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet wrote in message
.. .

"Melba's Jammin'" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they
pronounce this fish:

crappie

Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will bring
sin
and destruction upon their houses?

No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce it. "-)

*backwoods voice mode on*

They ain't no O in Crappie :-)

*Mode off*

Heard it both ways throughout my life in many parts of the country, but
this
is the first time I've ever heard of sin & destruction tied to the "a"
version :-)


That's the only reason I can come up with for pronouncing it that way, other
than illiteracy. Fake decency examples are everywhere. People in newsgroups
type sh*t instead of shit. Are they kidding?


there is the story of the proper lady who said, '****! i stepped in
doggie doo-doo!'

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:57:40 GMT, (TammyM) wrote:

On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:07:17 -0700, Cindy Hamilton
wrote:

On Aug 9, 7:35 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

Do you say catsup, or ketchup?

There are people who say catsup? Huh. I say ketchup no matter how
it's spelled. Midwestern born and bred.

I'm a native Californicator. I say ketchup, I spell it catsup. In
all of my travels, domestic and international, I have never actually
heard anyone call it "catsup". ToMAHto sauce, yes, catsup, no.

TammyM

i think the only time i've heard 'catsup' was spoken by mr. burns on
'the simpsons.'

your pal,
blake

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
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On Aug 9, 7:35 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

Do you say catsup, or ketchup?

There are people who say catsup? Huh. I say ketchup no matter how
it's spelled. Midwestern born and bred.

Cindy Hamilton

Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they
pronounce this fish:

crappie

Midwestern raised, here, too.

Pronounce the tomato stuff as ketchup.

Crappie pronounced to be homophonic with crappy


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