On Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:07:17 -0700, Cindy Hamilton
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On Aug 9, 7:35 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

Do you say catsup, or ketchup?

There are people who say catsup? Huh. I say ketchup no matter how
it's spelled. Midwestern born and bred.

I'm a native Californicator. I say ketchup, I spell it catsup. In
all of my travels, domestic and international, I have never actually
heard anyone call it "catsup". ToMAHto sauce, yes, catsup, no.

TammyM

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do they
pronounce this fish:

crappie

Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will bring
sin
and destruction upon their houses?

No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce it.
"-)
--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ


Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety. If you
pronounced "map" like "mop", any good English teacher would beat you with
a
ruler, and be totally justified in doing so.




You didn't notice the wink, I guess.

--
Peter Aitken

I did, but I don't believe it.

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In article ,
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how do
they
pronounce this fish:

crappie

Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will
bring
sin
and destruction upon their houses?

No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce
it.
"-)

*backwoods voice mode on*

They ain't no O in Crappie :-)

*Mode off*

Heard it both ways throughout my life in many parts of the country,
but
this
is the first time I've ever heard of sin & destruction tied to the
"a"
version :-)


That's the only reason I can come up with for pronouncing it that way,
other
than illiteracy. Fake decency examples are everywhere. People in
newsgroups
type sh*t instead of shit. Are they kidding?



My deep south (Central Alabama) grandparents often fought over this
very
thing. Memaw claimed the long a variant (Croppie) and Papaw the short a
(Crappie). One time when I was ~16, Memaw was in a huff and pulled out
the
dictionary to prove her point and Papaw politely told her to kiss his
ass!
Never Surrender ! :-)


OK, but there's no long or short debate here. Both pronunciations are the
short version of the vowels involved. What a way to confuse kids and undo
what teachers are trying to achieve.

Illiteracy is often hereditary.



I find that statement to be true quite often and it applies equally to
inflated self-images.


I'm simply stating facts. I know they're often annoying and inconvenient,
but still, they are facts.

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In article ,
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how
do
they
pronounce this fish:

crappie

Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that will
bring
sin
and destruction upon their houses?

No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce
it.
"-)

*backwoods voice mode on*

They ain't no O in Crappie :-)

*Mode off*

Heard it both ways throughout my life in many parts of the
country,
but
this
is the first time I've ever heard of sin & destruction tied to the
"a"
version :-)


That's the only reason I can come up with for pronouncing it that
way,
other
than illiteracy. Fake decency examples are everywhere. People in
newsgroups
type sh*t instead of shit. Are they kidding?



My deep south (Central Alabama) grandparents often fought over this
very
thing. Memaw claimed the long a variant (Croppie) and Papaw the short
a
(Crappie). One time when I was ~16, Memaw was in a huff and pulled
out
the
dictionary to prove her point and Papaw politely told her to kiss his
ass!
Never Surrender ! :-)


OK, but there's no long or short debate here. Both pronunciations are
the
short version of the vowels involved. What a way to confuse kids and
undo
what teachers are trying to achieve.

Illiteracy is often hereditary.



I find that statement to be true quite often and it applies equally to
inflated self-images.


I'm simply stating facts. I know they're often annoying and inconvenient,
but still, they are facts.



As a point of clarification, I was simply re-affirming your point and adding
an observation in a similar vein. The second point wasn't directed at you.

If you took it that way, then perhaps it may apply after all.

In retrospect, I suppose you may have been directing the illiteracy comment
towards myself and my lineage....if that's the case then your allegations
are built on a very flimsy single thread of evidence and in truth you are
way off base.

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In article ,
"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

Any fisherpersons in your circle of acquaintances? If so, how
do
they
pronounce this fish:

crappie

Do they turn it into "croppie", to avoid the bad word that
will
bring
sin
and destruction upon their houses?

No, we say "croppie" because that's the correct way to pronounce
it.
"-)

*backwoods voice mode on*

They ain't no O in Crappie :-)

*Mode off*

Heard it both ways throughout my life in many parts of the
country,
but
this
is the first time I've ever heard of sin & destruction tied to
the
"a"
version :-)


That's the only reason I can come up with for pronouncing it that
way,
other
than illiteracy. Fake decency examples are everywhere. People in
newsgroups
type sh*t instead of shit. Are they kidding?



My deep south (Central Alabama) grandparents often fought over this
very
thing. Memaw claimed the long a variant (Croppie) and Papaw the
short
a
(Crappie). One time when I was ~16, Memaw was in a huff and pulled
out
the
dictionary to prove her point and Papaw politely told her to kiss
his
ass!
Never Surrender ! :-)


OK, but there's no long or short debate here. Both pronunciations are
the
short version of the vowels involved. What a way to confuse kids and
undo
what teachers are trying to achieve.

Illiteracy is often hereditary.



I find that statement to be true quite often and it applies equally to
inflated self-images.


I'm simply stating facts. I know they're often annoying and inconvenient,
but still, they are facts.



As a point of clarification, I was simply re-affirming your point and
adding
an observation in a similar vein. The second point wasn't directed at you.

If you took it that way, then perhaps it may apply after all.

In retrospect, I suppose you may have been directing the illiteracy
comment
towards myself and my lineage....if that's the case then your allegations
are built on a very flimsy single thread of evidence and in truth you are
way off base.



My comments were aimed at your parents' explanation of the two versions of
the word. You obviously rose above it all.

On Aug 8, 9:49 pm, Blinky the Shark wrote:
Bob, are you from the USan south/southeast? Nothing pejorative
intended; just a question, as I'm curious about the demographics of
Miracle Whip preference.

I am in California, but visit North Dakota every year in the summer.
In California, I never buy Miracle Whip but when in North Dakota,
Miracle Whip is a MUST. For some reason, I use it on ham sandwiches or
in macaroni salad while in ND, but just use mayo in California. It's
weird, isn't it?, and my whole family does it, too.

Karen

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On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety. If you
pronounced "map" like "mop", any good English teacher would beat you with
a
ruler, and be totally justified in doing so.
According to the M-W online dictionary, croppie is the correct
pronunciation. Click on the little speaker symbol to hear it pronounced,
if
you don't believe what you see.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?crappie

They don't even offer "crappy" as a correct alternative pronunciation.


Then, the dictionary is wrong.

KW wrote:

My deep south (Central Alabama) grandparents often fought over this very
thing. Memaw claimed the long a variant (Croppie) and Papaw the short a
(Crappie). One time when I was ~16, Memaw was in a huff and pulled out the
dictionary to prove her point and Papaw politely told her to kiss his ass!
Never Surrender ! :-)

LOL Two of my elderly aunts were visiting. The fight started when Aunt
Reba shook the Bible at Aunt Ruby, and said there was nothing in that
book but a bunch of hogwash. I thought Aunt Ruby would have a stroke.
Then, Aunt Reba jumped in the car and backed out of the garage.
Unfortunately, she forgot to open the garage door, first. Ah, family. g

Becca

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"KW" keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet wrote:

My deep south (Central Alabama) grandparents often fought over this very
thing. Memaw claimed the long a variant (Croppie)

Errr, long a? Wouldn't that make it a CRAY-pee?

and Papaw the short a (Crappie). One time when I was ~16, Memaw was
in a huff and pulled out the dictionary to prove her point and Papaw
politely told her to kiss his ass! Never Surrender ! :-)


Was it a nice Dead Spread?
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-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - story and
pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

On Aug 9, 9:34 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"l, not -l" wrote in ...
On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety. [snip]

According to the M-W online dictionary, croppie is the correct
pronunciation. Click on the little speaker symbol to hear it pronounced,
if you don't believe what you see. [snip]

Then, the dictionary is wrong.

No, you're wrong in this specific instance, but your point about
pronunciations being changed to avoid embarrasment is correct. Middle
school and high school teachers know all the words which elicit
adolescent giggles. I think it's the national tv producers who are
the culprits in using this as an excuse for fomenting
mispronunciations. My pet peeve in this line is "harass". It was
properly said, "ha-RASS" until the fear of giggles now makes it more
often heard, "HAIR-uss". -aem

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On Aug 9, 9:34 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"l, not -l" wrote in
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On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

Absurd. You say it that way out of some fake sense of propriety.
[snip]

According to the M-W online dictionary, croppie is the correct
pronunciation. Click on the little speaker symbol to hear it
pronounced,
if you don't believe what you see. [snip]

Then, the dictionary is wrong.

No, you're wrong in this specific instance, but your point about
pronunciations being changed to avoid embarrasment is correct. Middle
school and high school teachers know all the words which elicit
adolescent giggles. I think it's the national tv producers who are
the culprits in using this as an excuse for fomenting
mispronunciations. My pet peeve in this line is "harass". It was
properly said, "ha-RASS" until the fear of giggles now makes it more
often heard, "HAIR-uss". -aem



I'm wrong? How do you come to that conclusion, considering the accepted
rules of pronunciation for English? Sure, there are exceptions, but
"crappie" isn't one of them, unless you want to take the easy way out and
call it a regional flaw.

"Melba's Jammin'" wrote in message
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"KW" keith_warrennospamatallteldotnet wrote:

My deep south (Central Alabama) grandparents often fought over this very
thing. Memaw claimed the long a variant (Croppie)

Errr, long a? Wouldn't that make it a CRAY-pee?

Correctimundo! As in we caught a mess of Cray-pee! Your trip to the House of
George wasn't a total waste I see as you caught the subtle nuances of the
Deep South Drawl.
..

and Papaw the short a (Crappie). One time when I was ~16, Memaw was
in a huff and pulled out the dictionary to prove her point and Papaw
politely told her to kiss his ass! Never Surrender ! :-)


Was it a nice Dead Spread?

Not that particular time, but I do recall Papaw sporting a certain crimson
blush to just one cheek after that comment G

Actually she went first, but yes they were both very nice as far as Dead
Spreads go. Can't have a funeral without one down here!

--
-Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
http://www.jamlady.eboard.com - story and
pics of Ronald McDonald House dinner posted 6-24-2007

Ward Abbott wrote:

I tried the Kraft Mayo and will NEVER buy anything but Kraft mayo
again. It is just like homemade. Smooth and creamy....very nice.

The last time I had Kraft Mayo in the house I thought it had a somewhat
gelatin like consistency? I've always preferred the taste of Hellmann's
and buy that, but occasionally have purchased Kraft. Miracle Whip has
never been found in my home. Duke's isn't anything special to me?

"l, not -l" wrote in message
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On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

Then, the dictionary is wrong.

Based upon your past history of posts here, I figured you'd say that.


The dictionary's explanation violates the rules of English pronunciation. If
you disagree, explain why, in detail. If you believe the word we're
discussing is an exception, explain why.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"l, not -l" wrote in message
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On 9-Aug-2007, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:

Then, the dictionary is wrong.
Based upon your past history of posts here, I figured you'd say that.


The dictionary's explanation violates the rules of English pronunciation. If
you disagree, explain why, in detail. If you believe the word we're
discussing is an exception, explain why.


So... *all* the dictionaries are wrong, and you are right?

Clue: Look up the etymology of a word to get an idea why it's
pronounced weird. ("crappie" was borrowed from French "crapet" I
thought it was gonna be something German with an umlaut)

Best regards,
Bob