Dee Dee wrote:
"George" wrote in message
. ..
Marketing is a powerful thing. Many people have been convinced that big
box places are better than sex.

You can well-get screwed over some little greedy guy running his own shop,
just as well. Some with good reputations, too.
Although I won't disagree with you on your statement above.
Dee Dee



Extremely less chance of that happening because small places can't
afford to buy mind share like the big box places. If a little guy screws
someone the word gets around.

sf wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:29:30 +0100, "Ophelia" wrote:

George wrote:
A family member got new glasses from a big box place (low prices
everyday) and she couldn't see well with them. They gave her the usual
song and dance that she had to get used to them. On my insistence she
asked to have them tested and they told her the lenses were perfect
and told her again that she needed to "adjust" to them. I asked that
they give her the lab report but they wouldn't do that (can't get
that if you put them in the drawer for a week and just give the
"tested" glasses back to the customer).
Our opticians are required by law to provide the patient with a copy of the
prescription.

They may then take that prescription anywhere they want to have it filled!

That's the prescription, O. George is talking about the finished
glasses being wrong. Too bad we all don't have friends in the
business.

But we shouldn't have too. Its just plain wrong to train your staff to
explicitly lie to customers. Especially when the big box places
advertise how competent they are.



I had that experience with Sight for Sore Eyes. I had
their optician do the eye exam even though I can get it for free at
Kaiser (it was one less place for me to visit). It wasn't very
expensive, maybe $25 at the time. Anyway, I told the optician that I
wanted my eyes corrected to 20-20, which she did. I got progressives
with computer monitor distance in the middle. The glasses arrived and
the prescription was just plain wrong. I could tell as soon as I put
them on. I told the fitter and he immediately gave me a standard line
about how most eyes can only be corrected to 20-30. I called him on
it, he got the prescription out and by golly the optometrist *had*
corrected them to 20-20! I think he was kinda ****ed that he had to
send them back to be redone and it sure soured me on that place.

That kind of practice is completely underhanded and when you're
shelling out hundred of dollars per pair of glasses (some frames cost
$400-500), it should be illegal too.

It is illegal. But most people trust the big box places because of all
that warm fuzzy advertising they do. You have to wonder how many people
are walking around with crappy vision simply because they believed the
"experts" in the big box store.

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:35:47 -0400, Dave Smith
wrote:

blake murphy wrote:



Marketing is a powerful thing. Many people have been convinced that big
box places are better than sex.

sex in a big box is never very good.


One day you may come to realize that size is relative, and all boxes seem
big when you don't have enough to fill them :-)

that's what kegel exercises are for.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:57:25 -0500, Omelet
wrote:

In article ,
blake murphy wrote:

On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:49:55 -0500, Omelet
wrote:

In article ,
Dave Smith wrote:

That is why I never went back to Lenscrafters. While the distance
correction was fine, I had a hell of a time reading with them. When I went
back to complain about them the gave me a song and dance about how you have
to learn to hold books, newspapers etc. and look down through them. It was
like wearing half glass reading glasses. Even when doing as instructed I
had a hard time. I could not scan a page, I had to move my head back and
forth and up and down. The next pair I got was from a local optician. I had
to wait a week for them, but when they came they were infinitely better
than the glasses I had from Lenscrafter. I discussed the situation with
the optician. She said that when you get the one hour glasses you sacrifice
quality workmanship and materials and assured me that I would be happier
with their glasses. I was. I have no problem with everyday reading. I
find it hard to believe that it was just me. I had had the old pair for 2
1/2 years and still hard trouble holding things just right to read them
because I had no problem at all with the new pair.

I'll be waiting a week to 10 days, mainly because they are glass, not
plastic lenses. I've always worn glass.

my lenses aren't so thick that i worry about the weight, so i get
glass, too. plus i tend to toss my specs around, so i'd worry about
scratches. but even the glass scratches some.

Yes, but not as bad as the "scratch resistant plastic". After 6 years, I
only have a couple of minor scratches on these and that's only because I
knocked them off the bathroom counter a couple of times.


my vision isn't too bad, but i had a girlfriend once who couldn't see
a lick. she said the best thing about contacts was being able to see
her feet in the shower again.

your pal,
blake

Contacts scare me. I'm not sure I could stand to put something in my eye.

i would worry about losing them. (i did once find one gal's contact
on the floor of a new york city subway station in the middle of the
night once. she was mightily amazed.)

another pal of mine used to gross everyone out by popping his contacts
into his mouth and then into his eyes. none of this store-bought
nonsense for him.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 13:49:52 -0400, "Dee Dee"
wrote:


But, we are talking a switch to bifocals this time.

I expect there to be an adjustment period. The Dr. told me to give them
2 weeks.
--
Peace, Om

DH has never made an adjustment to bifocals. He has had three pair and just
will not wear them. Same with his dad who has probably been prescribed and
filled at least 10 pairs.

They both go out and buy OTC ones right after getting a prescription,
thinking that will work. Seems like a crazy waste of time and money to me.

I hope if they do not work for you after an adjustment period, that you will
go back. They should work. That's what I keep telling DH & f-i-l. They
pay me never-no-mind.
Dee Dee


the reason i'm leery of the big-box approach is fitting the frames to
your face. an optometrist i used to go to was a genius at that. i
keep my specs long enough that i'm bound to sit on them or something
and require a re-fit. i'm not sure how the one-hour places are with
that.

on the other hand, i did pay a boatload of money for the glasses.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:33:10 -0700, Dan Abel wrote:

In article ,
Omelet wrote:

In article ,
blake murphy wrote:

On Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:09:50 -0500, Omelet
wrote:

I'm getting old. :-(


one of my favorite words is 'presbyopia':

Main Entry: pres·by·o·pia
Pronunciation: "prez-bE-'O-pE-&, "pres-
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin, from Greek presbys old man + New Latin -opia
: a visual condition which becomes apparent especially in middle age and in
: which loss of elasticity of the lens of the eye causes defective
: accommodation and inability to focus sharply for near vision

...essentially, 'old man eyes.'

your pal,
methuselah

Sweet.

I love you too... ;-/

I can still take my glasses OFF and read just fine.
A gift of being near-sighted.

I understand as you get older, you tend to get far sighted.
Maybe if I get lucky, I can do away with glasses eventually. G

Nice try, but no dice. Because of presbyopia, if you can see distance
without glasses, that just means that you will need glasses to see close.

And presbyopia doesn't reverse.

Life's a bitch, and then you die.

....but at least by that point you can't see what's happening to you.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 14:13:10 -0500, Omelet
wrote:

In article ,
enigma wrote:

Omelet wrote in
news
Sounds risky.
Did you go to an OD or an MD?

my eye guy is an OD. it's only recently occured to me that the
whacked vision issues coincided with things like stuffy
sinuses. i think it's time to see if i can find an MD or
allergist that can deal with the ongoing sinus thing (it's
been over 20 years).
lee

It's time...

The MD I see also has experience with otolaryngotomy.

While I do suffer from seasonal allergies, it does not generally affect
my eyesight unless it gets really bad, then I can't see well at all.
Rinsing with saline using an eye cup helps a LOT until the
antihistimines kick in. I only take those when I really get bad.

Ibuprofen controls them most of the time. It IS an anti-inflammatory,
and allergies are an inflammatory process.

Many people do not associate Ibuprofen with being good for mild allergy
relief.

i never thought of that. i take a lot of ibuprofen for pain relief.

your pal,
blake

"George" wrote in message
...
sf wrote:
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:29:30 +0100, "Ophelia" wrote:

George wrote:
A family member got new glasses from a big box place (low prices
everyday) and she couldn't see well with them. They gave her the usual
song and dance that she had to get used to them. On my insistence she
asked to have them tested and they told her the lenses were perfect
and told her again that she needed to "adjust" to them. I asked that
they give her the lab report but they wouldn't do that (can't get
that if you put them in the drawer for a week and just give the
"tested" glasses back to the customer).
Our opticians are required by law to provide the patient with a copy of
the prescription.

They may then take that prescription anywhere they want to have it
filled!
That's the prescription, O. George is talking about the finished
glasses being wrong. Too bad we all don't have friends in the
business.

ahh yes. We have rip off merchants too

I went to a chain of opticians for years. I had a cataract in one eye and
kept having to change the prescription very few months. It cost me a
fortune. When my left eye began to show signs of catarct I decided to buy
cheap specs until it was bad enough to have fixed. As I left the optician's
office with my prescription, as usual, the assistant began to show me specs.
All the most expensive designer ones. I told her I wanted to by a cheap
pair and explained why. That damned woman went and checked with the
optician that my story was true, and reluctantly showed me the cheaper
frames.

I have never been back. I went to small optician and as the eye
deteriorated, they changed the lens and didn't make me buy new specs each
time!!

I have implants in both eyes now and I still use the smaller optician and am
very happy with them!

About getting used to new lenses like that, we are given a week to get used
to them and if we are still unhappy they will give you a pair for distance
and a pair for reading.

In article ,
blake murphy wrote:

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:35:47 -0400, Dave Smith
wrote:

blake murphy wrote:



Marketing is a powerful thing. Many people have been convinced that big
box places are better than sex.

sex in a big box is never very good.


One day you may come to realize that size is relative, and all boxes seem
big when you don't have enough to fill them :-)

that's what kegel exercises are for.

your pal,
blake

For BOTH parties... ;-)
Both the box and it's filling can benefit from those.
--
Peace, Om

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In article ,
blake murphy wrote:

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:57:25 -0500, Omelet
wrote:

Contacts scare me. I'm not sure I could stand to put something in my eye.

Most people don't have a problem. Some do. Generally the doctor won't
write you a prescription until you've tried one on (they have samples in
the office for this purpose). They won't let you take them home until
they've watched you put them in and take them out by yourself.


i would worry about losing them. (i did once find one gal's contact
on the floor of a new york city subway station in the middle of the
night once. she was mightily amazed.)


They aren't that easy to lose, if they fit right. There are many
options also. Some cost as little as US$.50, the kind you throw out
every day. If you are willing to clean and care for them, you can get
ones that last a month for about US$3.00. Other contacts cost a lot
more.


another pal of mine used to gross everyone out by popping his contacts
into his mouth and then into his eyes. none of this store-bought
nonsense for him.


I've seen that also, and think it is gross. Still, people do other
things, like kissing. And other stuff.

blake murphy wrote in
:



another pal of mine used to gross everyone out by popping his contacts
into his mouth and then into his eyes. none of this store-bought
nonsense for him.



Ewww. That's really dangerous.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...9-2722,00.html

K

In article ,
"Pete C." wrote:

Omelet wrote:

In article ,
"Pete C." wrote:

I'm not to that point (yet), just modest nearsightedness that contacts
work well for, but absolutely for safety, keep your old prescription in
the car. I haven't used my glasses in the four or five years since I
went to contacts, but I do keep them stored in the truck so they're
available should I need them. I can drive ok without glasses or contacts
anyway, just difficult if I need to look for street signs.

Pete C.

I never have worn contacts... and am pretty near sighted.


I find contacts are vastly superior to glasses. No fogging, no rain
drops, no scratches, full peripheral vision, a buffer from dust and
smoke, nothing pressing on your nose (gives me headaches), no fuss with
prescription safety glasses or trying to stack safety glasses over
prescription ones, probably other advantages too.

-1.50 / -1.00

Pete C.

I know mom always loved hers, and she wore hard lenses. (glass).

I recently watched Ben trying to put his in. He was having a helluva
time, said they kept feeling gritty. Well, he was HANDLING the hell out
of them, and drying them out!

I got him to rinse them using the saline we keep on hand for eye rinsing
and he tried putting them in wet for the first time.

It was a breeze for him and he was grateful for teaching him that.

Even tho' I don't and never have worn contacts, I watched mom put hers
in for years. She NEVER put them in dry!

Poor kid. Suffering all this time...
--
Peace, Om

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In article
,
Dan Abel wrote:

one of my favorite words is 'presbyopia':

Main Entry: pres·by·o·pia
Pronunciation: "prez-bE-'O-pE-&, "pres-
Function: noun
Etymology: New Latin, from Greek presbys old man + New Latin -opia
: a visual condition which becomes apparent especially in middle age and
: in
: which loss of elasticity of the lens of the eye causes defective
: accommodation and inability to focus sharply for near vision

...essentially, 'old man eyes.'

your pal,
methuselah

Sweet.

I love you too... ;-/

I can still take my glasses OFF and read just fine.
A gift of being near-sighted.

I understand as you get older, you tend to get far sighted.
Maybe if I get lucky, I can do away with glasses eventually. G

Nice try, but no dice. Because of presbyopia, if you can see distance
without glasses, that just means that you will need glasses to see close.

And presbyopia doesn't reverse.

Life's a bitch, and then you die.

The doc told me that Presbyopia tends to stabilize around age 55 or so.

In the meantime, I can look forward to the expense of new glasses more
frequently for awhile. Last pair lasted me 6 years, and the pair before
that lasted me 22 years. The change in the prescription between the last
two pairs was insignificant according to the Dr., as it was this time
with the exception of the need for bifocals.
--
Peace, Om

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"Dee Dee" wrote:

"Pete C." wrote in message
...

I find contacts are vastly superior to glasses. No fogging, no rain
drops, no scratches, full peripheral vision, a buffer from dust and
smoke, nothing pressing on your nose (gives me headaches), no fuss with
prescription safety glasses or trying to stack safety glasses over
prescription ones, probably other advantages too.


Pete C.

Take your Vit C and pray your eyes don't change.
No-blinks, Dee Dee

Vitamin B-2
--
Peace, Om

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I concur!!!

With what?
--
Peace, Om

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