On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 06:46:39 -0700, BOBOBOnoBO®
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Walgreen's does use milk as a loss leader.

Maybe farmers aren't subsidized like they used to be. In any case,
all food prices are creaping up, not just milk and it's probably due
to the increase in fuel prices.


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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:18:38 -0500, "Ms P"
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I have a choice of Walmart and Dillon's for full grocery stores and the
Target here has a limited grocery section. I find that using a combination
of Target and Dillon's I can always beat Walmart.

You don't have any "real" grocery stores? What a shame.

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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 06:46:39 -0700, BOBOBOnoBO®
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Walgreen's does use milk as a loss leader.

Maybe farmers aren't subsidized like they used to be. In any case,
all food prices are creaping up, not just milk and it's probably due
to the increase in fuel prices.

Exactly.

Everything needs to arrive at it's destination by truck.

The oil barons are destroying the entire economy...

and they don't care.
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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 06:46:39 -0700, BOBOBOnoBO®
wrote:

Walgreen's does use milk as a loss leader.

Maybe farmers aren't subsidized like they used to be. In
any case, all food prices are creaping up, not just milk
and it's probably due to the increase in fuel prices.

ethanol.
in the US, ethinol is made from corn (which is *highly*
subsidized). ethanol is also highly subsidized at 51 cents
per gallon. it costs *way* more to produce ethanol, especially
from corn, than it's market value.
since corn is now pushing $4/bushel for ethanol production,
all dry lot meat producers are paying almost triple the feed
prices from a year ago. that raises the prices on beef, pork,
chicken, milk & eggs substantially even before adding in
shipping cost increases.
the corn shortage is also raising the prices of all those
foods that use HFCS, as well as corn meal, corn tortillas (a
big problem in Mexaco, as they prefer to sell their corn to
the US rather than feed the starving poor, which causes an
even larger illegal immigration issue...), etc.
it is driving more farmers into corn production, leaving
fewer acres in soybean or food production.
it's ok. Bush's answer is to import more food from China...
lee

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On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:18:38 -0500, "Ms P"
wrote:

I have a choice of Walmart and Dillon's for full grocery stores and the
Target here has a limited grocery section. I find that using a
combination
of Target and Dillon's I can always beat Walmart.

You don't have any "real" grocery stores? What a shame.


What do you mean by "real" grocery stores? Dillon's is a Kroger sub. It's
as real as it gets in these parts. In the smaller surrounding towns they
usually only have an A/G, if they have a store at all.


Ms P

On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:14:14 +0000 (UTC), enigma
wrote:

sf wrote in :

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 06:46:39 -0700, BOBOBOnoBO®
wrote:

Walgreen's does use milk as a loss leader.

Maybe farmers aren't subsidized like they used to be. In
any case, all food prices are creaping up, not just milk
and it's probably due to the increase in fuel prices.

ethanol.
in the US, ethinol is made from corn (which is *highly*
subsidized). ethanol is also highly subsidized at 51 cents
per gallon. it costs *way* more to produce ethanol, especially
from corn, than it's market value.
snip

I didn't know ethanol production was subsidized, but it stands to
reason since we still do farm subsidies. Have you read that sugar
cane yields 2-3 times more ethanol per acre and eight times more
ethanol per pound than corn?
http://www.earth-policy.org/Updates/2005/Update49.htm
http://www.justsugar.com/ethanol.htm

We need to get into sugar cane production! Unfortunately, we don't
have many areas that can grow it. I wonder what ethanol yield we
could get from beets? We already have beet sugar, so surely beets can
produce ethanol.

it's ok. Bush's answer is to import more food from China...

He's not a deep thinker.

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On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:31:52 -0500, "Ms P"
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"sf" wrote in message ...
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:18:38 -0500, "Ms P"
wrote:

I have a choice of Walmart and Dillon's for full grocery stores and the
Target here has a limited grocery section. I find that using a
combination
of Target and Dillon's I can always beat Walmart.

You don't have any "real" grocery stores? What a shame.


What do you mean by "real" grocery stores? Dillon's is a Kroger sub. It's
as real as it gets in these parts. In the smaller surrounding towns they
usually only have an A/G, if they have a store at all.

Never heard of Dillon's. It was lumped in with Target and Walmart,
which are not real grocery stores... I have no idea what A/G means.

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sf wrote:
On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:14:14 +0000 (UTC), enigma
wrote:

sf wrote in :

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 06:46:39 -0700, BOBOBOnoBO®
wrote:

Walgreen's does use milk as a loss leader.

Maybe farmers aren't subsidized like they used to be. In
any case, all food prices are creaping up, not just milk
and it's probably due to the increase in fuel prices.

ethanol.
in the US, ethinol is made from corn (which is *highly*
subsidized). ethanol is also highly subsidized at 51 cents
per gallon. it costs *way* more to produce ethanol, especially
from corn, than it's market value.
snip

I didn't know ethanol production was subsidized, but it stands to
reason since we still do farm subsidies. Have you read that sugar
cane yields 2-3 times more ethanol per acre and eight times more
ethanol per pound than corn?
http://www.earth-policy.org/Updates/2005/Update49.htm
http://www.justsugar.com/ethanol.htm

We need to get into sugar cane production! Unfortunately, we don't
have many areas that can grow it. I wonder what ethanol yield we
could get from beets? We already have beet sugar, so surely beets can
produce ethanol.

I just wrote this for another group; it's also relevant here.

q myself over in alt.fan.cecil-adams

A list from the current Time, on things "whose price may rise as more
corn is turned into ethanol":

Critters that eat corn:

chicken, hamburger, milk, bacon, egg

Stuff for which corn is used in its making:

diapers, paint, toothpaste, soap, crayon

Because of switching planting to corn:

fruits, vegetables, tofu, bread, clothing, paper

Stuff that contains corn or corn sweetener:

cake, soda, candy bar, lollipop, cereal

[Yes, I know that practically every prepared food product contains corn
sweetener.]

/q


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On 18 Jun 2007 03:17:19 GMT, Blinky the Shark
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Wow! I'm impressed. Don't tell me that list was just off the top of
your head.

[Yes, I know that practically every prepared food product contains corn
sweetener.]

Let's say: fructose, which isn't necessarily corn based.

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On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 18:31:52 -0500, "Ms P"
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"sf" wrote in message ...
On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:18:38 -0500, "Ms P"
wrote:

I have a choice of Walmart and Dillon's for full grocery stores and the
Target here has a limited grocery section. I find that using a
combination
of Target and Dillon's I can always beat Walmart.

You don't have any "real" grocery stores? What a shame.


What do you mean by "real" grocery stores? Dillon's is a Kroger sub.
It's
as real as it gets in these parts. In the smaller surrounding towns they
usually only have an A/G, if they have a store at all.

Never heard of Dillon's. It was lumped in with Target and Walmart,
which are not real grocery stores... I have no idea what A/G means.


An A/G is an Associated Grocer and their store brand is Shurfine. It's
usually the lowest grade product. The Walmart here has a full grocery
selection. It's not an urban area, there's no competition. We had two
other grocery stores before Walmart opened the super center.


Ms P

sf wrote:
On 18 Jun 2007 03:17:19 GMT, Blinky the Shark
wrote:

Wow! I'm impressed. Don't tell me that list was just off the top of
your head.

[Yes, I know that practically every prepared food product contains corn
sweetener.]

Let's say: fructose, which isn't necessarily corn based.

Sure, why not? I'm used to seeing "high fructose corn [syrup?], so I
think it's commonly corn based.


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On 18 Jun 2007 05:25:39 GMT, Blinky the Shark
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sf wrote:
On 18 Jun 2007 03:17:19 GMT, Blinky the Shark
wrote:

Wow! I'm impressed. Don't tell me that list was just off the top of
your head.

[Yes, I know that practically every prepared food product contains corn
sweetener.]

Let's say: fructose, which isn't necessarily corn based.

Sure, why not? I'm used to seeing "high fructose corn [syrup?], so I
think it's commonly corn based.

Ah... well, I don't usually see corn used as a modifier. Maybe it's a
regional thing. When it's corn syrup, they say so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructose
http://tinyurl.com/2xkcxg
http://tinyurl.com/37vkd8


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sf wrote:
On 18 Jun 2007 05:25:39 GMT, Blinky the Shark
wrote:

sf wrote:
On 18 Jun 2007 03:17:19 GMT, Blinky the Shark
wrote:

Wow! I'm impressed. Don't tell me that list was just off the top
of your head.

[Yes, I know that practically every prepared food product contains
corn sweetener.]

Let's say: fructose, which isn't necessarily corn based.

Sure, why not? I'm used to seeing "high fructose corn [syrup?], so I
think it's commonly corn based.

Ah... well, I don't usually see corn used as a modifier. Maybe it's a
regional thing. When it's corn syrup, they say so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructose http://tinyurl.com/2xkcxg
http://tinyurl.com/37vkd8

I just pulled three containers out of the fridge. The first one says
"high fructose corn syrup". The second one says, "corn syrup" *and*
"high fructose corn syrup'. The second one says, "high fructose corn
syrup" *and* "corn syrup".

I guess I just buy bizarre stuff. Like tonic water, marmalade and
barbecue sauce (the examples above).


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On 2007-06-18, Blinky the Shark wrote:

I just pulled three containers out of the fridge. The first one says
"high fructose corn syrup". The second one says, "corn syrup" *and*
"high fructose corn syrup'. The second one says, "high fructose corn
syrup" *and* "corn syrup".

Now I'm curious: how much higher-fructose is the HFCS and the plain
CS?


I guess I just buy bizarre stuff. Like tonic water, marmalade and
barbecue sauce (the examples above).

Outrageous!


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On 2007-06-18, Blinky the Shark wrote:

[Yes, I know that practically every prepared food product contains corn
sweetener.]

Let's say: fructose, which isn't necessarily corn based.

Sure, why not? I'm used to seeing "high fructose corn [syrup?], so I
think it's commonly corn based.

I think fructose is the most common sugar found naturally in fruit.
But when manufacturers put fruit in a product, they generally brag
about the fruit content.


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