Scott wrote:

Do you think if they legalize prostitution ( I don't mean street/corner
prostitution) it will cut down on the number of rapes?

IMO, it would not change the situation. Having sex with someone is
different than rape & murder, they are two different things. This man
did not want consensual sex with anyone, many rapists are married men.
This man wanted to dominate her, humilate her and have complete power
and control. Rape is an act of violence. This man did not want a willing
participant.

What a terrible thing to happen to such a young girl. My thoughts are
with her family.

Becca

Scott wrote:

Do you think if they legalize prostitution ( I don't mean street/corner
prostitution) it will cut down on the number of rapes?


No. Rape isn't about sex, it's about power, control, anger, and
domination.

gloria p

Scott wrote:
Do you think if they legalize prostitution ( I don't mean
street/corner prostitution) it will cut down on the number of rapes?

No. Rape is not about sex. First and foremost it's about forced
power and control over another person. Degradation and humiliation
go right along with it, hence the number of rapes that still go
unreported.


That is definitely true but don't you think there are some cases where
just wanting to get some is the motivating factor?

No, I don't think so, except in the case of date rape. In those situations
I'd say a lot of the time the guy expects to "get some" because he paid for
dinner or maybe sprang for the large buttered popcorn at the movies. And
that is truly sad.

If someone just wants to "get some", legal or not, there are prostitutes all
over the place. So pay your $50 or $500 or whatever and get some. Leave
that poor unwilling woman alone.

Jill

Scott wrote:
This young girl could not have been nearly so popular as the media
portrays or she'd not have been out to a mall all on her own.

With today's independently-mined women they're going to travel alone
more.

I travel alone all the time. I hop on a plane, change planes if there's a
connecting flight and manage to get off said plane and arrive at my
destination unscathed. I don't need a chaperone.

I don't take someone with me to the grocery store, either. I have pepper
spray on my keychain. A rule of thumb is *never* leave the store still
fumbling to put your wallet away; I don't care how ****ed off the people
behind you in the checkout line may get. I step out of the way (as best as
possible) and put away my wallet and securely close my purse, but hey, if
they want my purse they can have it! *Always* have your keys in your hand
as you walk out to the car. Keep your eyes open, scan the area for people
who look like they are just hanging out. Don't park next to vans (hard to
do if they pull in after you arrive) or other large vehicles that may
conceal someone hiding (I drive a small car). Always park in well lit
areas.

The thing is, this was a teenager. And sadly, her parents didn't teach her
these basic rules. Mine did. I feel for the family.

Jill

j

No, I don't think so, except in the case of date rape. In those situations
I'd say a lot of the time the guy expects to "get some" because he paid for
dinner or maybe sprang for the large buttered popcorn at the movies. And
that is truly sad.

If someone just wants to "get some", legal or not, there are prostitutes all
over the place. So pay your $50 or $500 or whatever and get some. Leave
that poor unwilling woman alone.

Jill



Legalizing prostitution was just a thought. I always believe in trying
to get to the root of the problem. It seems that nothing else is
working. Also in this case it looks like it was a matter of forced power
and control.

Sheldon wrote:


These kind of preditor crimes are so senseless, and are so TOTALLY
preventable. Do parents these days have so much lower IQs than in the
past? WTF happened to the buddy system??? When I was a kid parents
just did not permit children to be outdoors alone, never!

When I was a kid were were always out, often alone. My mother had no idea
what we were up to most of the time. I remember riding my bike, alone, to
the public pool in the next town, about 8 miles one way, when I was 11.


Even when I
was in the military the Buddy System was drummed into our heads
relentlessly... no one went anywhere off the ship alone... even to
dump garbage cans on a military pier you went as as team of two,
preferably four.. they wouldn't let you off the quarterdeck alone.

Sailors tend to get into trouble when they get ashore. They have a habit
of getting drunk and disorderly and getting into fights. The docks tend to
be the hangout for the lowlifes who like to pick fights with sailors.
There could also be concerns about intelligence being slipped to the wrong
people, so they send someone along to keep tabs on you.

jmcquown wrote:
Scott wrote:
This young girl could not have been nearly so popular as the media
portrays or she'd not have been out to a mall all on her own.
With today's independently-mined women they're going to travel alone
more.

I travel alone all the time. I hop on a plane, change planes if there's a
connecting flight and manage to get off said plane and arrive at my
destination unscathed. I don't need a chaperone.

I don't take someone with me to the grocery store, either. I have pepper
spray on my keychain. A rule of thumb is *never* leave the store still
fumbling to put your wallet away; I don't care how ****ed off the people
behind you in the checkout line may get. I step out of the way (as best as
possible) and put away my wallet and securely close my purse, but hey, if
they want my purse they can have it! *Always* have your keys in your hand
as you walk out to the car. Keep your eyes open, scan the area for people
who look like they are just hanging out. Don't park next to vans (hard to
do if they pull in after you arrive) or other large vehicles that may
conceal someone hiding (I drive a small car). Always park in well lit
areas.

The thing is, this was a teenager. And sadly, her parents didn't teach her
these basic rules. Mine did. I feel for the family.

Jill


Maybe they ought to teach that in schools. Can't depend on the parents.

jmcquown wrote:


The thing is, this was a teenager. And sadly, her parents didn't
teach her these basic rules. Mine did. I feel for the family.

Jill

Jill, I am glad you are cautious, this is probably why you have been
safe. This girl's father was in law enforcement for 16 years, so I have
a hard time believing that her father did not teach her to be careful.
Parents teach kids a lot; do not take drugs, do not drink, do not smoke,
wear your seatbelt, etc., but teenagers have a mind of their own.

Becca

"Becca" wrote

Jill, I am glad you are cautious, this is probably why you have been safe.
This girl's father was in law enforcement for 16 years, so I have a hard
time believing that her father did not teach her to be careful. Parents
teach kids a lot; do not take drugs, do not drink, do not smoke, wear your
seatbelt, etc., but teenagers have a mind of their own.

I don't know how much you can do about some guy following
you out of a store. You can try to be safe, do all the right things,
and some murderer can get to you. It's a shame there are people
like him in the world and no punishment is good enough for them.

nancy

Scott wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
Scott wrote:
This young girl could not have been nearly so popular as the media
portrays or she'd not have been out to a mall all on her own.
With today's independently-mined women they're going to travel alone
more.

I don't take someone with me to the grocery store, either. I have
pepper spray on my keychain. A rule of thumb is *never* leave the
store still fumbling to put your wallet away; I don't care how
****ed off the people behind you in the checkout line may get. I
step out of the way (as best as possible) and put away my wallet and
securely close my purse, but hey, if they want my purse they can
have it! *Always* have your keys in your hand as you walk out to
the car. Keep your eyes open, scan the area for people who look
like they are just hanging out. Don't park next to vans (hard to do
if they pull in after you arrive) or other large vehicles that may
conceal someone hiding (I drive a small car). Always park in well
lit areas.

The thing is, this was a teenager. And sadly, her parents didn't
teach her these basic rules. Mine did. I feel for the family.

Jill


Maybe they ought to teach that in schools. Can't depend on the
parents.

I don't think it should be up to the schools. Teachers are already
underpaid and under-appreciated. They have classrooms with more kids than
any I was ever in. But then again, being sent to the principal's office
used to actually put some fear into them. And they could paddle a kid for
acting like an idiot. Teachers have enough on their hands without having to
play parents, too. Just my 2 cents.

Jill

jmcquown wrote:

I don't think it should be up to the schools. Teachers are already
underpaid and under-appreciated. They have classrooms with more kids
than any I was ever in. But then again, being sent to the
principal's office used to actually put some fear into them. And
they could paddle a kid for acting like an idiot. Teachers have
enough on their hands without having to play parents, too. Just my 2
cents.

Jill

School teachers have their hands full, you are right.

Teaching public awareness could be done by volunteers during an
assembly. The Humane Society has been educating children in schools,
because it is a good idea to start when they are young. Unfortunately,
children learn a lot of ways to hurt animals, such as using kerosene to
treat mange, etc.

Becca

On Jun 7, 10:44 am, PeterL wrote:


You have a population of some 250*MILLION* people.

There's bound to be some deadshit dumbpricks in amongst that lot.

--
Peter Lucas
Brisbane
Australia

Higher. More deadshit dumbpricks than you though.
http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html

"Nancy Young" wrote in message
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"Becca" wrote

Jill, I am glad you are cautious, this is probably why you have been
safe. This girl's father was in law enforcement for 16 years, so I have a
hard time believing that her father did not teach her to be careful.
Parents teach kids a lot; do not take drugs, do not drink, do not smoke,
wear your seatbelt, etc., but teenagers have a mind of their own.

I don't know how much you can do about some guy following
you out of a store. You can try to be safe, do all the right things,
and some murderer can get to you. It's a shame there are people
like him in the world and no punishment is good enough for them.

nancy

I agree. There are always going to be wicked people in this world. And
trying to outsmart someone who you don't know is wanting to harm you is very
difficult because they have the edge. My goddaughter was murdered and raped
when she was 11 years old. She was street saavy and wiser than her years.
Her abductor was 30 odd and had a plan.

elaine

Becca wrote:
jmcquown wrote:


The thing is, this was a teenager. And sadly, her parents didn't
teach her these basic rules. Mine did. I feel for the family.

Jill

Jill, I am glad you are cautious, this is probably why you have been
safe. This girl's father was in law enforcement for 16 years, so I
have a hard time believing that her father did not teach her to be
careful. Parents teach kids a lot; do not take drugs, do not drink,
do not smoke, wear your seatbelt, etc., but teenagers have a mind of
their own.
Becca

I'm having a hard time with this young girl's death today. She had
just graduated, was bright and pretty and her life has been wrenched
away. At the same time, we have the news reporters concentrating on
spoiled Paris Hilton and her having served five days of her original 45
days in prison "but will wear an ankle bracelet and be under house
arrest". Things seem on tilt, somehow.

Dora

"elaine" wrote

"Nancy Young" wrote

I don't know how much you can do about some guy following
you out of a store. You can try to be safe, do all the right things,
and some murderer can get to you. It's a shame there are people
like him in the world and no punishment is good enough for them.

I agree. There are always going to be wicked people in this world. And
trying to outsmart someone who you don't know is wanting to harm you is
very difficult because they have the edge. My goddaughter was murdered
and raped when she was 11 years old. She was street saavy and wiser than
her years. Her abductor was 30 odd and had a plan.

What a heartbreaker, elaine. I'm very sorry that happened.

Somewhat coincidentally, I'm watching an episode of Notorious and
this one is about Scott Peterson. There are monsters walking around
and you don't always see them coming.

nancy