"Jack Schidt®" wrote:

'Everyday' drug addicts don't have national radio shows where they pass
judgement on other drug addicts. The moral of the story is that he set
himself up as 'holier than thou' and now he's been shown to be fallible just
like anyone else. He had it coming. And yes, he is a hypocrite and so is
anyone who supports both him and the current drug policy this nation has.
You can't have it both ways.

That was my original point, he harbored such ill will towards people
it's only fair he swallow his own medicine. Having said that, I
don't wish addiction or pain on anyone, and it's too bad he's hurting
that much. However, just because it's your housekeeper or whatever
procuring your drugs, you still have a drug dealer.

nancy

"Nancy Young" wrote in message
...
"Jack Schidt®" wrote:

'Everyday' drug addicts don't have national radio shows where they pass
judgement on other drug addicts. The moral of the story is that he set
himself up as 'holier than thou' and now he's been shown to be fallible
just
like anyone else. He had it coming. And yes, he is a hypocrite and so
is
anyone who supports both him and the current drug policy this nation
has.
You can't have it both ways.

That was my original point, he harbored such ill will towards people
it's only fair he swallow his own medicine. Having said that, I
don't wish addiction or pain on anyone, and it's too bad he's hurting
that much. However, just because it's your housekeeper or whatever
procuring your drugs, you still have a drug dealer.

nancy

Ditto (ouch, huh?). I don't wish addiction of any kind on anyone, but there
is a poetic justice about this one.

Jack Schadenfreude

The Wolf wrote:

On 10/14/03 10:06 PM, in article
, "alzelt"
opined:



The Wolf wrote:


On 10/14/03 12:57 PM, in article ,
" opined:



The Wolf wrote:



Funny thing nobody beats up on Al Franken, who IS a liar and recovering
coke
addict.

Two sets of standards, demos get a pass on everything.

Not really. Going by Rush's (and the Republicans') own standards,
Rush should be in jail now.


What about Frankin? He is an admitted recovering coke addict.

Seems like he has the spine to get it done. Limberger is on his third
attempt.


Really, and you know this how?

Because I can truly read, what Limberger himself said, that he has been
in rehab twice.
--
Alan

"If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion, and
avoid the people, you might better stay home."
--James Michener

Jack Schidt® wrote:

"Pan Ohco" wrote in message
...

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:12:25 GMT, "Jack Schidt®"
wrote:



Greg

hypocrisy, from M-W online.

"1 : a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not;
especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion
2 : an act or instance of hypocrisy


I would propose that if Rush is truly not a hypocrite, he will turn

himself

over to the authorities to accept punishment that he himself has

recommended

for others. I think buying prescription drugs illegally carries a nickel

at

the joint (bad jokes there).

Jack (Bull)schidt


I'm sure that Rush, as most prescription drug abusers I met, felt that
he was not an addict, but that he just needed his medicine.


Drugs are drugs. Addiction is addiction. Illegal drug purchases are
illegal drug purchases. There's no magic there. Cocaine and heroin addicts
also feel that 'they just need their medicine". Anyone who really knows
anything about addicts and their addictions knows this.


And the problem is not with the user but with the medical profession,
in that he wasn't given a enough of a prescription.


Nah, sorry, it's time folks take responsibility for their own actions. He's
an adult professional, it's no one's fault but his own. And it's not the
medical profession's fault that he purchased them illegally. He broke the
law. He knew he was breaking the law.


And I bet to this day that Rush still be lives that he is not an
addict. That realization will come a little further down the line in
his rehab.



He said on his show that he's addicted.


So I don't believe that Rush would in this case be a hypocrite, just
your every day addict.



'Everyday' drug addicts don't have national radio shows where they pass
judgement on other drug addicts. The moral of the story is that he set
himself up as 'holier than thou' and now he's been shown to be fallible just
like anyone else. He had it coming. And yes, he is a hypocrite and so is
anyone who supports both him and the current drug policy this nation has.
You can't have it both ways.

Jack Limbaugher

PS Your side set up the most ridiculous 'punish the addict' system in the
western world and now that one of your own got pinched you want to change
the rules.



Jack,

I think the word you were seeking is: schadenfreude \SHAHD-n-froy-duh\,
noun:
A malicious satisfaction in the misfortunes of others.
--
Alan

"If you reject the food, ignore the customs, fear the religion, and
avoid the people, you might better stay home."
--James Michener

On 10/15/03 10:03 PM, in article
, "alzelt"
opined:


What about Frankin? He is an admitted recovering coke addict.

Seems like he has the spine to get it done. Limberger is on his third
attempt.


Really, and you know this how?

Because I can truly read, what Limberger himself said, that he has been
in rehab twice.

I hadn't heard that.

Unlike you I don't hang on every word Shamu utters.
--
================================================== =================
"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
================================================== =================

"Jack Schidt®" wrote in message . com...

hypocrisy, from M-W online.

"1 : a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not;
especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion

Of course, Rush has never feigned not being a drug addict, and he's
probably never stopped believing being a drug addict is wrong and
stupid. However:

I would propose that if Rush is truly not a hypocrite, he will turn himself
over to the authorities to accept punishment that he himself has recommended
for others.

On this point you are 80% correct. So we get to find out, in 30 or so
days, if he is a hypocrite.

The 20% dodge is this; unless he has specifically said that drug
addicts should turn themselves in, he's not a hypocrite for not
turning himself in. If charges are brought he should of course submit
to the legal process with full cooperation. And he will probably have
to modify any statements he has made about drug addicts.

Greg Zywicki

I think buying prescription drugs illegally carries a nickel at
the joint (bad jokes there).

Jack (Bull)schidt

wrote:

This reminds me of my dad. My dad has a similar problem with his back as
Rush does. Two or three of my father's lower disks are disintegrating.
Until recently, my dad also had a bad hip. My dad had replacement surgery
six months ago and he told me recently that he may need surgery, yet he is
not addicted to pain killers.

Alot of people with chronic pain aren't "addicted to" their pain killers.

My father refuses to take oral pain killers
because they might be addictive. When I visited my dad in the hospital
after his hip replacement surgery, I saw him with my own two eyes decline
any oral pain killers after the IV pain killer was ended.


This unfortunate attitude, which is very common, means that lots of little old
ladies, without a speck of "addictive personality" in them, *do nothing* rather
than take some meds and be active. Having managed more acute and chronic pain
than I can recount I promise you that if iv meds are "okay" because the person
didn't get addicted, the pills that followed up during the recovery phase okay,
too.. OTOH, every doc has dealt with the people who uses every possible excuse
to get a prescription, and who loves to be sedated beyond reason, and litfs
their heavy eye lids to mutter "I need a shot" but falls asleep in the middle
of the sentence.
I certainly don't mean to bash you, Stan, but I hope, when you are old and
frail, you are less afraid of seeking relief.
blacksalt
who doesn't even think Rush believes anything his says...its just attention and
money.

The Wolf wrote:

Frankin does. Have you ever seen him promote his book? I guess since he
calls it "satire" it's ok.

Yes, and obviously you do not understand what satire is.

As I said earlier I am not a fan or Rush. BUT, he is a welcome alternate to
the pinko lib editorial pages of the NY Times, LA Times, etc. I give him
credit for Clinton's impeachment.

To bad Rush can't be credited with being honest and completely factual.

Everybody's tolerance is different. I am glad your dad didn't succumb to
addiction.

True and I am certainly glad too.

IF what Rush did under Florida law is punishable by prison time, he should
go to prison. I don't know the particulars of Florida law. BUT, don't most
people get probation for a "first" offense.

Innocent until proven guilty right?

Exactly, that is why I clearly said "IF what Rush did under Florida law is punishable by
prison time, he should go to prison." I believe Rush should have a hearing by an impartial
judge and jury if he is charged with any wrong-doing.

The Wolf wrote:

Who was a dope smoking draft dodger who had oral sex with a fat little kid
in the Oval Office. Is that who we're talking about?

No, we're talking about the "dope using draft dodger who got caught drunk
driving and who's serving in the White House right now." I can see how you
would be confused between the two though.

On 10/17/03 2:52 AM, in article ,
" opined:

The Wolf wrote:

Frankin does. Have you ever seen him promote his book? I guess since he
calls it "satire" it's ok.

Yes, and obviously you do not understand what satire is.

I know what satire is. Lib Demos don't they take Frankin at face value. And
Frankin is lucky he still has his teeth after that chicken shit stunt he
pulled on O'Reilly.

As I said earlier I am not a fan or Rush. BUT, he is a welcome alternate to
the pinko lib editorial pages of the NY Times, LA Times, etc. I give him
credit for Clinton's impeachment.

To bad Rush can't be credited with being honest and completely factual.

He does put his spin on things. But, so do the editorial pages of the NY
Times and LA Times.


Everybody's tolerance is different. I am glad your dad didn't succumb to
addiction.

True and I am certainly glad too.

IF what Rush did under Florida law is punishable by prison time, he should
go to prison. I don't know the particulars of Florida law. BUT, don't most
people get probation for a "first" offense.

Innocent until proven guilty right?

Exactly, that is why I clearly said "IF what Rush did under Florida law is
punishable by
prison time, he should go to prison." I believe Rush should have a hearing by
an impartial
judge and jury if he is charged with any wrong-doing.

According to his lawyer Roy Black Rush won't be charged with anything.


--
================================================== =================
"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
================================================== =================

On 10/17/03 2:54 AM, in article ,
" opined:

The Wolf wrote:

Who was a dope smoking draft dodger who had oral sex with a fat little kid
in the Oval Office. Is that who we're talking about?

No, we're talking about the "dope using draft dodger who got caught drunk
driving and who's serving in the White House right now." I can see how you
would be confused between the two though.

See there you go again. One president served honorably in the guard and the
other dodged the draft and badmouthed Uncle Sam in the communist Soviet
Union.

Which one are you talking about? Enquiring minds want to know.
--
================================================== =================
"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
================================================== =================

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:51:01 GMT, "Jack Schidt®"
wrote:


"Pan Ohco" wrote in message
.. .

I'm sure that Rush, as most prescription drug abusers I met, felt that
he was not an addict, but that he just needed his medicine.

Drugs are drugs. Addiction is addiction. Illegal drug purchases are
illegal drug purchases. There's no magic there. Cocaine and heroin addicts
also feel that 'they just need their medicine". Anyone who really knows
anything about addicts and their addictions knows this.

No Jack I found that prescription drug abusers are more likely to say
that they have a medical condition that requires their continued use.
Cocaine and Heroin addict feel that they can handle their addition.

And the problem is not with the user but with the medical profession,
in that he wasn't given a enough of a prescription.

Nah, sorry, it's time folks take responsibility for their own actions. He's
an adult professional, it's no one's fault but his own. And it's not the
medical profession's fault that he purchased them illegally. He broke the
law. He knew he was breaking the law.

Again Jack I was relating what Med abusers told me.
Was he in fact responsible, Yes, I agree with you.


And I bet to this day that Rush still be lives that he is not an
addict. That realization will come a little further down the line in
his rehab.


He said on his show that he's addicted.
Yes addicts may say that to get into a treatment program, But most
really don't believe it. Most will only try to get into a treatment
program when they think it will get them out of legal trouble.

So I don't believe that Rush would in this case be a hypocrite, just
your every day addict.


'Everyday' drug addicts don't have national radio shows where they pass
judgement on other drug addicts.

Jack there are many well known personalities that are addicted to
drugs and some (gasp) are liberals.


Jack Limbaugher

PS Your side set up the most ridiculous 'punish the addict' system in the
western world and now that one of your own got pinched you want to change
the rules.

Jack I don't know what my side is that set up a "punish the addict"
system.

It has been my experience that most users are sent to Rehab. It is the
sellers, and his helpers that go to a penitentiary.

Pan Ohco

The Wolf wrote:

I know what satire is. Lib Demos don't they take Frankin at face value. And
Frankin is lucky he still has his teeth after that chicken shit stunt he
pulled on O'Reilly.

Wrong, but you have a habit of that, don't you?

He does put his spin on things. But, so do the editorial pages of the NY
Times and LA Times.

Of course, but unlike the NYT editors, Rush has made millions in part
by telling people how evil drug abuse is, esp. when it is done illegally.

According to his lawyer Roy Black Rush won't be charged with anything.

That doesn't mean he's innocent; only that he has a good lawyer.

The Wolf wrote:

See there you go again. One president served honorably in the guard and the
other dodged the draft and badmouthed Uncle Sam in the communist Soviet
Union.

Yawn. If Bush the younger served honorably in the military than
I will eat my hat. He's as much a draft dodger as Clinton. Bush
never bad mouthed the United States in his youth because he
was too busy getting drunk.

The Wolf wrote:

Who was a dope smoking draft dodger who had oral sex with a fat little kid
in the Oval Office. Is that who we're talking about?

Dope is fine. Draft dodging is good. Oral sex is good. You got a problem
with fat people?