The Wolf wrote:



use
of drugs was ever a secret. Limburger has ranted and raved about how drug use
is ruining the fabric of the country and has called for stiffer penalties.
Then
it turns out that he is a drug abuser himself.


How the **** do you even know who Frankin is?

Unlike yourself, I am not completely ignorant.



Btw, I am not a big fan of Rush basically he is a pompous blowhard.

That's surprising. I had assumed that he was your role model.

Dave Smith wrote in message ...
The Wolf wrote:


Funny thing nobody beats up on Al Franken, who IS a liar and recovering coke
addict.

Two sets of standards, demos get a pass on everything.


Well gee whiz.... could it be about hypocrisy? I don't think that Franken's use
of drugs was ever a secret. Limburger has ranted and raved about how drug use
is ruining the fabric of the country and has called for stiffer penalties. Then
it turns out that he is a drug abuser himself.

People just love to scream that word. Wrongly, most of the time.

Drug use is ruining the fabric of the country. Not only is it true,
Rush believes it. Did he say those things while suffering under
physical addiction?
Yes. Does that make him a hypocrite, or does that make him someone
who is engaging in something he finds morrally and ethically
reprehensible against his will? The latter, of course.

Now if he has said drug users deserve X, and now goes on to say,
"well, except for me of course," that will be hypocrisy. If he says,
"Well, I believed X but now that I've confronted the issue myself I
now believe Y," that won't be hypocrisy - that will be learning.

But never mind reason and sense. Go on hating people because of their
ideology.

Greg Zywicki

"Greg Zywicki" wrote in message
om...
Dave Smith wrote in message
...
The Wolf wrote:


Funny thing nobody beats up on Al Franken, who IS a liar and
recovering coke
addict.

Two sets of standards, demos get a pass on everything.


Well gee whiz.... could it be about hypocrisy? I don't think that
Franken's use
of drugs was ever a secret. Limburger has ranted and raved about how
drug use
is ruining the fabric of the country and has called for stiffer
penalties. Then
it turns out that he is a drug abuser himself.

People just love to scream that word. Wrongly, most of the time.

Drug use is ruining the fabric of the country. Not only is it true,
Rush believes it. Did he say those things while suffering under
physical addiction?
Yes. Does that make him a hypocrite, or does that make him someone
who is engaging in something he finds morrally and ethically
reprehensible against his will? The latter, of course.

Now if he has said drug users deserve X, and now goes on to say,
"well, except for me of course," that will be hypocrisy. If he says,
"Well, I believed X but now that I've confronted the issue myself I
now believe Y," that won't be hypocrisy - that will be learning.

But never mind reason and sense. Go on hating people because of their
ideology.

Greg

hypocrisy, from M-W online.

"1 : a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not;
especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion
2 : an act or instance of hypocrisy


I would propose that if Rush is truly not a hypocrite, he will turn himself
over to the authorities to accept punishment that he himself has recommended
for others. I think buying prescription drugs illegally carries a nickel at
the joint (bad jokes there).

Jack (Bull)schidt

On 10/14/03 10:06 PM, in article
, "alzelt"
opined:



The Wolf wrote:

On 10/14/03 12:57 PM, in article ,
" opined:


The Wolf wrote:


Funny thing nobody beats up on Al Franken, who IS a liar and recovering
coke
addict.

Two sets of standards, demos get a pass on everything.

Not really. Going by Rush's (and the Republicans') own standards,
Rush should be in jail now.


What about Frankin? He is an admitted recovering coke addict.
Seems like he has the spine to get it done. Limberger is on his third
attempt.

Really, and you know this how?
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================================================== =================
"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
================================================== =================

On 10/15/03 3:30 AM, in article , "Dave Smith"
opined:

The Wolf wrote:



use
of drugs was ever a secret. Limburger has ranted and raved about how drug
use
is ruining the fabric of the country and has called for stiffer penalties.
Then
it turns out that he is a drug abuser himself.


How the **** do you even know who Frankin is?

Unlike yourself, I am not completely ignorant.



Btw, I am not a big fan of Rush basically he is a pompous blowhard.

That's surprising. I had assumed that he was your role model.


Why do you edit my posts? I asked you legitimate questions.

Why are you obsessed with American culture and politics?

I wouldn't even know who the prime minister of canada IS if Bill O'reilly
didn't call him a eunuch at least once a day.
--
================================================== =================
"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
================================================== =================

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:12:25 GMT, "Jack Schidt®"
wrote:


Greg

hypocrisy, from M-W online.

"1 : a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not;
especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion
2 : an act or instance of hypocrisy


I would propose that if Rush is truly not a hypocrite, he will turn himself
over to the authorities to accept punishment that he himself has recommended
for others. I think buying prescription drugs illegally carries a nickel at
the joint (bad jokes there).

Jack (Bull)schidt

I'm sure that Rush, as most prescription drug abusers I met, felt that
he was not an addict, but that he just needed his medicine.

And the problem is not with the user but with the medical profession,
in that he wasn't given a enough of a prescription.

And I bet to this day that Rush still be lives that he is not an
addict. That realization will come a little further down the line in
his rehab.

So I don't believe that Rush would in this case be a hypocrite, just
your every day addict.

Pan Ohco

The Wolf wrote:

What about Frankin? He is an admitted recovering coke addict.

Going by Rush's standards (and the Republicans') he should also be in jail
now. Frankly though, I think the laws that criminalize drug use are bogus,
but we're talking about Rush's standards, not mine.

To the best of my knowledge, Dems do not get on the airwaves and posture
themselves as holier than thou. Rush did, as have some other prominant
Republicans such as Wiliam Bennet. Rush made millions telling people that
they need to live by a higher standard (in his eyes) and take
responsibility for their actions. Rush created his own unrealistic standard
of behavior, which does not account for human frailty. As a result, Rush
had better be prepared to suffer the same consequences he would demand of
anyone else who abused prescription drugs, or he will endure a huge loss of
credibility.

This reminds me of my dad. My dad has a similar problem with his back as
Rush does. Two or three of my father's lower disks are disintegrating.
Until recently, my dad also had a bad hip. My dad had replacement surgery
six months ago and he told me recently that he may need surgery, yet he is
not addicted to pain killers. My father refuses to take oral pain killers
because they might be addictive. When I visited my dad in the hospital
after his hip replacement surgery, I saw him with my own two eyes decline
any oral pain killers after the IV pain killer was ended.

So I can say from personal experience that Rush is an absolute wuss. My dad
has more courage and integrity in his little finger than Rush has in his
entire body. I do not want to single out my dad because I suspect most
other people manage to get through life's problems without becoming drug
addicts and breaking the law.

On 10/15/03 12:46 PM, in article ,
" opined:

The Wolf wrote:

What about Frankin? He is an admitted recovering coke addict.

Going by Rush's standards (and the Republicans') he should also be in jail
now. Frankly though, I think the laws that criminalize drug use are bogus,
but we're talking about Rush's standards, not mine.

To the best of my knowledge, Dems do not get on the airwaves and posture
themselves as holier than thou.

Frankin does. Have you ever seen him promote his book? I guess since he
calls it "satire" it's ok.



Rush did, as have some other prominant
Republicans such as Wiliam Bennet. Rush made millions telling people that
they need to live by a higher standard (in his eyes) and take
responsibility for their actions. Rush created his own unrealistic standard
of behavior, which does not account for human frailty. As a result, Rush
had better be prepared to suffer the same consequences he would demand of
anyone else who abused prescription drugs, or he will endure a huge loss of
credibility.

As I said earlier I am not a fan or Rush. BUT, he is a welcome alternate to
the pinko lib editorial pages of the NY Times, LA Times, etc. I give him
credit for Clinton's impeachment.

This reminds me of my dad. My dad has a similar problem with his back as
Rush does. Two or three of my father's lower disks are disintegrating.
Until recently, my dad also had a bad hip. My dad had replacement surgery
six months ago and he told me recently that he may need surgery, yet he is
not addicted to pain killers. My father refuses to take oral pain killers
because they might be addictive. When I visited my dad in the hospital
after his hip replacement surgery, I saw him with my own two eyes decline
any oral pain killers after the IV pain killer was ended.

So I can say from personal experience that Rush is an absolute wuss. My dad
has more courage and integrity in his little finger than Rush has in his
entire body. I do not want to single out my dad because I suspect most
other people manage to get through life's problems without becoming drug
addicts and breaking the law.


Everybody's tolerance is different. I am glad your dad didn't succumb to
addiction.

IF what Rush did under Florida law is punishable by prison time, he should
go to prison. I don't know the particulars of Florida law. BUT, don't most
people get probation for a "first" offense.

Innocent until proven guilty right?

--
================================================== =================
"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
================================================== =================

"Pan Ohco" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:12:25 GMT, "Jack Schidt®"
wrote:


Greg

hypocrisy, from M-W online.

"1 : a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not;
especially : the false assumption of an appearance of virtue or religion
2 : an act or instance of hypocrisy


I would propose that if Rush is truly not a hypocrite, he will turn
himself
over to the authorities to accept punishment that he himself has
recommended
for others. I think buying prescription drugs illegally carries a nickel
at
the joint (bad jokes there).

Jack (Bull)schidt

I'm sure that Rush, as most prescription drug abusers I met, felt that
he was not an addict, but that he just needed his medicine.

Drugs are drugs. Addiction is addiction. Illegal drug purchases are
illegal drug purchases. There's no magic there. Cocaine and heroin addicts
also feel that 'they just need their medicine". Anyone who really knows
anything about addicts and their addictions knows this.


And the problem is not with the user but with the medical profession,
in that he wasn't given a enough of a prescription.

Nah, sorry, it's time folks take responsibility for their own actions. He's
an adult professional, it's no one's fault but his own. And it's not the
medical profession's fault that he purchased them illegally. He broke the
law. He knew he was breaking the law.


And I bet to this day that Rush still be lives that he is not an
addict. That realization will come a little further down the line in
his rehab.


He said on his show that he's addicted.

So I don't believe that Rush would in this case be a hypocrite, just
your every day addict.


'Everyday' drug addicts don't have national radio shows where they pass
judgement on other drug addicts. The moral of the story is that he set
himself up as 'holier than thou' and now he's been shown to be fallible just
like anyone else. He had it coming. And yes, he is a hypocrite and so is
anyone who supports both him and the current drug policy this nation has.
You can't have it both ways.

Jack Limbaugher

PS Your side set up the most ridiculous 'punish the addict' system in the
western world and now that one of your own got pinched you want to change
the rules.

The Wolf wrote:


Btw, I am not a big fan of Rush basically he is a pompous blowhard.

That's surprising. I had assumed that he was your role model.


Why do you edit my posts? I asked you legitimate questions.

I do not edit your posts. I edit out some of your comments in my responses. Most
of them are too stupid to bother to respond to.


Why are you obsessed with American culture and politics?

I am not. But that question is a prime example of things usually too stupid to
bother with.

I wouldn't even know who the prime minister of canada IS if Bill O'reilly
didn't call him a eunuch at least once a day.

That doesn't surprise me.

wrote in message ...
The Wolf wrote:

What about Frankin? He is an admitted recovering coke addict.

Going by Rush's standards (and the Republicans') he should also be in jail
now. Frankly though, I think the laws that criminalize drug use are bogus,
but we're talking about Rush's standards, not mine.

To the best of my knowledge, Dems do not get on the airwaves and posture
themselves as holier than thou. Rush did, as have some other prominant
Republicans such as Wiliam Bennet. Rush made millions telling people that
they need to live by a higher standard (in his eyes) and take
responsibility for their actions. Rush created his own unrealistic
standard
of behavior, which does not account for human frailty. As a result, Rush
had better be prepared to suffer the same consequences he would demand of
anyone else who abused prescription drugs, or he will endure a huge loss
of
credibility.

What credibility? Rush has no credibility with anyone who has even vague
pretensions to intelligence. Even so I would give him a pass on the drug
thing. This happens to people - good people, bad people, smart people,
stupid people. The idea that succumbing to an addiction of this sort is a
moral failure has been thoroughly discredited. In any case his moral
bankrupcy has been long established by his lies, hatred, bigotry, and
distortions.

Remember also that some members of the right are have a very convenient
tunnel vision when it comes to moral lapses. If a democratic presidential
candidate had used cocaine and been AWOL from national guard duty they would
have gone blue in the face with apoplexy, but when their boy the shrubster
does it somehow it is not important anymore.


--
Peter Aitken

Remove the crap from my email address before using.

On 10/15/03 1:51 PM, in article
, "Jack Schidt®"
opined:

Jack Dumbass wrote:

Just saw Rushs' lawyer Roy Black on the tube. There will be no criminal
charges, period.

Kind of hard to send someone to prison when they haven't been charged with
anything.

So **** off.


Jack Limbaugher

PS Your side set up the most ridiculous 'punish the addict' system in the
western world and now that one of your own got pinched you want to change
the rules.




--
================================================== =================
"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
================================================== =================

On 10/15/03 2:08 PM, in article , "Dave Smith"
opined:

The Wolf wrote:


Btw, I am not a big fan of Rush basically he is a pompous blowhard.

That's surprising. I had assumed that he was your role model.


Why do you edit my posts? I asked you legitimate questions.

I do not edit your posts. I edit out some of your comments in my responses.
Most
of them are too stupid to bother to respond to.


Why are you obsessed with American culture and politics?

You are too.

I am not. But that question is a prime example of things usually too stupid to
bother with.

I wouldn't even know who the prime minister of canada IS if Bill O'reilly
didn't call him a eunuch at least once a day.

That doesn't surprise me.

It shouldn't.




--
================================================== =================
"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
================================================== =================

On 10/15/03 2:49 PM, in article
, "Peter Aitken"
opined:

wrote in message ...
The Wolf wrote:

What about Frankin? He is an admitted recovering coke addict.

Going by Rush's standards (and the Republicans') he should also be in jail
now. Frankly though, I think the laws that criminalize drug use are bogus,
but we're talking about Rush's standards, not mine.

To the best of my knowledge, Dems do not get on the airwaves and posture
themselves as holier than thou. Rush did, as have some other prominant
Republicans such as Wiliam Bennet. Rush made millions telling people that
they need to live by a higher standard (in his eyes) and take
responsibility for their actions. Rush created his own unrealistic
standard
of behavior, which does not account for human frailty. As a result, Rush
had better be prepared to suffer the same consequences he would demand of
anyone else who abused prescription drugs, or he will endure a huge loss
of
credibility.

What credibility? Rush has no credibility with anyone who has even vague
pretensions to intelligence. Even so I would give him a pass on the drug
thing. This happens to people - good people, bad people, smart people,
stupid people. The idea that succumbing to an addiction of this sort is a
moral failure has been thoroughly discredited. In any case his moral
bankrupcy has been long established by his lies, hatred, bigotry, and
distortions.

Remember also that some members of the right are have a very convenient
tunnel vision when it comes to moral lapses. If a democratic presidential

Who was a dope smoking draft dodger who had oral sex with a fat little kid
in the Oval Office. Is that who we're talking about?

candidate had used cocaine and been AWOL from national guard duty they would
have gone blue in the face with apoplexy, but when their boy the shrubster
does it somehow it is not important anymore.


--
================================================== =================
"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
================================================== =================

In article , "Peter
Aitken" wrote:

wrote in message ...


To the best of my knowledge, Dems do not get on the airwaves and posture
themselves as holier than thou.


If they are a politician, then it doesn't matter whether they are
Republican or Democratic, they will get up on their soapbox and posture.



What credibility? Rush has no credibility with anyone who has even vague
pretensions to intelligence. Even so I would give him a pass on the drug
thing.


Give him a pass as in don't put him in jail, or don't point out his
hypocracy? I think that if *he* thinks that users of illegal drugs should
be thrown in jail, then it's fair to point out that *he* belongs in jail
under his own rules.


I used to have a co-worker who was always saying, "throw them in jail and
throw away the key". This was for pretty much any crime. I wouldn't be
surprised if she was a Rush fan. Then she's got this story about a friend
who got divorced and then the ex started stalking her. It was pretty
disturbing. She got a restraining order, and he just ignored it. In
short order he got thrown in jail three times. The first two his mother
bailed him out, but by the third time they raised the bail too much for
her to afford. So the guy's in jail for a while, then goes to trial and
gets two years in jail. My co-worker was horrified. How could they put
this guy in jail? I told her I thought that was where he belonged. My
co-worker's response was, "but I know him!".

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS