On 15 Apr 2007 22:38:54 -0700, "
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I think it's a bad idea. It would force the price of real chocolate
to go through the roof. Chocolate manufacturers would be able to
charge whatever they wanted to for real chocolate because they know
real chocolate connoisseurs will seek out only the real thing.

I think the chocolate people need to get smart and start marketing
high end chocolate like coffee. I think it was Food Network where I
saw a show about the distinct qualitites of chocolate from various
countries/areas.

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On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:36:00 -0400, Kate Connally
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Horrors! I sure hope they aren't allowed to call it chocolate.

Hopefully it will be labeled "chocolatish".



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On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:38:53 -0400, Kate Connally
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PS: I lost the Coke challenge. I chose Pepsi, thinking it was Coke.


Coke uses natural orange flavoring.
Pepsi uses natural lime flavoring.

Andy

sf wrote:

On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:38:53 -0400, Kate Connally
wrote:

It's infinitely
better than Pepsi (spawn of the evil empire).

LOL! I like Pepsi, but I like Dr. Pepper better than both.
PS: I lost the Coke challenge. I chose Pepsi, thinking it was Coke.

For most people it is a matter of image. Don't forget the New Coke fiasco
?. Coca Cola was trying to improve its market share by improving its
product, a novel concept. It did a some blind taste tests and determined
that most people preferred Pepsi over Coke. They tinkered with their
formula to make a product that tasted more like Pepsi, and when they
conducted taste tests they found that people preferred the New Coke to both
the old Coke and Pepsi.


Public reaction to the New Coke was a rude surprise to the company. People
went nuts and rejected the new product. New Coke was a flop. However, they
were able to turn the whole think around. The public reaction generated a
lot of free press. Coke went back to the old formula and renamed it Coke
Classic and sales increased.

On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:53:04 -0500, "kilikini"
wrote:

Serene-y the Meanie wrote:
kilikini wrote:
cybercat wrote:
"Charlene Charette" wrote
In reference to fake crab, the problem is you're thinking of it as
"fake crab". Surimi is an ingredient in its own right and has its
uses. I don't use it as a crab substitute.

True. Even though I am from Maryland, I use surimi in some pasta
salads I make. When I want crab I buy crab.

Another good reason for making a distinction between surimi and
crab is for those who want to limit carbohydrates. The surimi I have
used has been full of potato starch, whereas crab has no carbs.

That's exactly true. I had no idea how much sugar was in surimi
until I really looked at the label. I still eat it, though, and I
like it for stuffed fish and on it's own as a "crab" salad sandwich.
I don't think it tastes anything like crab, but I like it; I buy it.

I like it, too. I sometimes dip it in melted butter, or warm it
with butter and eat it that way.

kili ------ putting on her flame retardant suit

Eh. Everyone has something trashy they like. :-) My Japanese friend
calls surimi "the hot dog of the fish world" and our response around
here is "yeah, but hot dogs are good".

Serene

LOL. I've never had it with butter; when I use it, it's usually an
enhancement ingredient. I'll try it your way sometime! Around here though,
almost every buffet has it as a "crab" salad with celery, mayo and onion and
I put it on my plate only because it's not deep fried or cooked to death
like everything else is down here. :~)

kili


refresh my memory, kili - whereat is down here?

your pal,
blake

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 04:03:21 -0500, Andy q wrote:

said...

On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:38:53 -0400, Kate Connally
wrote:

PS: I lost the Coke challenge. I chose Pepsi, thinking it was Coke.


Coke uses natural orange flavoring.
Pepsi uses natural lime flavoring.

Andy

i don't know what it is, but i've known two women who liked diet coke
more than i like beer. and that's saying something.

your pal,
blake

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 08:37:24 -0400, Dave Smith
wrote:

sf wrote:

On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 12:38:53 -0400, Kate Connally
wrote:

It's infinitely
better than Pepsi (spawn of the evil empire).

LOL! I like Pepsi, but I like Dr. Pepper better than both.
PS: I lost the Coke challenge. I chose Pepsi, thinking it was Coke.

For most people it is a matter of image. Don't forget the New Coke fiasco
?. Coca Cola was trying to improve its market share by improving its
product, a novel concept. It did a some blind taste tests and determined
that most people preferred Pepsi over Coke. They tinkered with their
formula to make a product that tasted more like Pepsi, and when they
conducted taste tests they found that people preferred the New Coke to both
the old Coke and Pepsi.


Public reaction to the New Coke was a rude surprise to the company. People
went nuts and rejected the new product. New Coke was a flop. However, they
were able to turn the whole think around. The public reaction generated a
lot of free press. Coke went back to the old formula and renamed it Coke
Classic and sales increased.

seriously. everyone should be lucky enough to 'blunder' in such a
fashion.

your pal,
george

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:18:56 GMT, blake murphy
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:53:04 -0500, "kilikini"
Around here though,
almost every buffet has it as a "crab" salad with celery, mayo and onion and
I put it on my plate only because it's not deep fried or cooked to death
like everything else is down here. :~)

kili


refresh my memory, kili - whereat is down here?

Florida

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blake murphy wrote:


Public reaction to the New Coke was a rude surprise to the company. People
went nuts and rejected the new product. New Coke was a flop. However, they
were able to turn the whole think around. The public reaction generated a
lot of free press. Coke went back to the old formula and renamed it Coke
Classic and sales increased.

seriously. everyone should be lucky enough to 'blunder' in such a
fashion.

No kidding, eh. They came up with a formula that its customers preferred.
The public, consisting of a lot of very foolish people, rebelled and
demanded the return of their old favourite, even though they did not like
it as much. They declared their brand loyalty and flocked to the old
formula, now affectionately called Coke Classic. A marketing disaster
turned into an outstanding success.

Dave Smith wrote:

Coke went back to the old formula and renamed it Coke
Classic and sales increased.

Except that they didn't go back to the old formula.
The old version was based on sucrose. All of the
new versions made in the U.S. (including Coke Classic)
are based on high-fructose corn syrup. I haven't
compared them, but some people say there's a noticable
difference between the two.

You can get sucrose-based Coke at many Mexican food
stores, who import it from Mexico. According to
the label on those bottles, it can be made from
either sucrose or HFCS, but I doubt it would make
any sense to use HFCS in Coke made in Mexico.
Mexico is a major producer of cane sugar, and does
not have the powerful sugar lobby that keeps prices
high in the U.S.

Mark Thorson wrote:

You can get sucrose-based Coke at many Mexican food
stores, who import it from Mexico. According to
the label on those bottles, it can be made from
either sucrose or HFCS, but I doubt it would make
any sense to use HFCS in Coke made in Mexico.

If you want to be sure, find some Coke that is
labeled "Kosher for Passover." They can't have
any corn derived products in that, so it has pure
can sugar.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

Mark Thorson wrote:

Except that they didn't go back to the old formula.
The old version was based on sucrose. All of the
new versions made in the U.S. (including Coke Classic)
are based on high-fructose corn syrup. I haven't

I'm pretty sure they were using HFCS before the New Coke
debacle. Not everywhere, but in some parts of the country.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:35:36 -0700, sf wrote:

On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:18:56 GMT, blake murphy
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 15:53:04 -0500, "kilikini"
Around here though,
almost every buffet has it as a "crab" salad with celery, mayo and onion and
I put it on my plate only because it's not deep fried or cooked to death
like everything else is down here. :~)

kili


refresh my memory, kili - whereat is down here?

Florida

okey-dokey. maryland, home of the blue crab, here.

your pal,
blake

I agree that it was a sin to change from sugar to
corn syrup, nevertheless, Coke is still the best cola
out there and I won't dring anything else. It's infinitely
better than Pepsi (spawn of the evil empire).

Are there really only two options for most of the country? I don't
drink soda, but my husband prefers RC cola.

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In article ,
Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:

The LA Times today had an article on the front page called "The
Courage of Their Confections" which tells of the Grocery Manufactuers
of America, a trade group, campaign to let chocolate makers replace
cocoa butter with vegetable oils and milk (for milk chocolate) with
"milk protein concentrates." This is just *wrong*, IMHO. Sees and
Guittard Chocolate Co., two of California's oldest chocolatiers, are
having fits about this. The trade group, which says it has the support
of the Chocolate Manufacturers of America says it's "just thinking
outside the old chocolate box." It wouldn't prevent Sees and Guittard
from using cocoa butter and milk, of course, but there ought to be a
label on the vegetable oil and "milk protein concentrates" candy that
precludes the word "chocolate" or "milk chocolate," much as those
chemistry experiments at the fast food joints don't call their
products "milk shakes."

Class is open for discussion.

This is the perfect example of an issue where the marketplace can decide
just fine. As long as this is clearly labeled, I have no problem with
using vegetable oils and milk instead of real cocoa butter because, if
enough people dislike the product, they will simply not buy it and opt
for more expensive premium chocolate.