Someone said to grind the coffee finer, you can get a stronger flavor without
using more coffee. I did this the last time I bought coffee. I'm wondering if
once the grounds get wet that the water won't filter through them like it would
through the courser ground coffee. You know, drill a hole in the bottom of a
bucket and feel it with gravel. Pour water in the top and the water will go
through the gravel and out the hole. Replace the gravel with sand. The same
amount of water won't go through the sand as it did the gravel, it will
overflow.
Could this be the reason it's overflowing???

c (TOM KAN PA) wrote in
:

Someone said to grind the coffee finer, you can get a stronger flavor
without using more coffee. I did this the last time I bought coffee.
I'm wondering if once the grounds get wet that the water won't filter
through them like it would through the courser ground coffee. You
know, drill a hole in the bottom of a bucket and feel it with gravel.
Pour water in the top and the water will go through the gravel and out
the hole. Replace the gravel with sand. The same amount of water won't
go through the sand as it did the gravel, it will overflow.
Could this be the reason it's overflowing???




Yep, that's the reason. Add too much ground cinnamon to the coffee grounds
will cause the same thing. Best to use crushed sticks in that case. Hope
you didn't grind all the coffee that fine.

Wayne

TOM KAN PA wrote:

Someone said to grind the coffee finer, you can get a stronger flavor without
using more coffee. I did this the last time I bought coffee. I'm wondering if
once the grounds get wet that the water won't filter through them like it would
through the courser ground coffee. You know, drill a hole in the bottom of a
bucket and feel it with gravel. Pour water in the top and the water will go
through the gravel and out the hole. Replace the gravel with sand. The same
amount of water won't go through the sand as it did the gravel, it will
overflow.
Could this be the reason it's overflowing???

Exactly. It takes a much wider filter area to equal the same flow that courser
ground coffee takes. I don't know what the solution to that is.

Gary




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TOM KAN PA wrote:

Someone said to grind the coffee finer, you can get a stronger flavor
without
using more coffee. I did this the last time I bought coffee. I'm wondering
if
once the grounds get wet that the water won't filter through them like it
would
through the courser ground coffee. You know, drill a hole in the bottom of
a
bucket and feel it with gravel. Pour water in the top and the water will go
through the gravel and out the hole. Replace the gravel with sand. The same
amount of water won't go through the sand as it did the gravel, it will
overflow.
Could this be the reason it's overflowing???

Exactly. It takes a much wider filter area to equal the same flow that
courser
ground coffee takes. I don't know what the solution to that is.

Get an ADP coffeemaker costing more than $19.95. The machines with more bells
and whistles generally have a flow rate feature, each with some kinda
fancy-schmancy name. With my Krups I can set the flow rate at four different
levels (with the "Pro-Aroma" feature), set at either of the two lowest flow
rates I have no overflow problems with fine grind coffees. Also, not all paper
filters are created equal... the Melita filters permit greater perk rates and
are more uniform than el-cheapo stupidmarket filters... and the cone shaped
filters produce a more complete extraction than the basket type filters.


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"TOM KAN PA" wrote in message
...
Someone said to grind the coffee finer, you can get a stronger flavor
without
using more coffee. I did this the last time I bought coffee. I'm wondering
if
once the grounds get wet that the water won't filter through them like it
would
through the courser ground coffee. You know, drill a hole in the bottom of
a
bucket and feel it with gravel. Pour water in the top and the water will
go
through the gravel and out the hole. Replace the gravel with sand. The
same
amount of water won't go through the sand as it did the gravel, it will
overflow.
Could this be the reason it's overflowing???



Very likely. Espresso grind will make mud, essentially, in a regular coffee
machine. How fine did you grind it? Do you have a basket filter? Or a cone?
I suspect a basket, as cones work better with finer grinds. There's a few
stages in between regular grind and espresso grind. Espresso has steam
pressure forcing through it; there is no pressure in the regular drip coffee
makers.
You don't, however, have to waste that coffee, even if you don't have an
espresso machine. Mix it, roughly 1/2 and 1/2, with regular grind. That will
give you a better flow, and still have the stronger flavor.

kimberly

On 08 Oct 2003 13:24:54 GMT, c (TOM KAN PA) wrote:

Someone said to grind the coffee finer, you can get a stronger flavor without
using more coffee. I did this the last time I bought coffee. I'm wondering if
once the grounds get wet that the water won't filter through them like it would
through the courser ground coffee. You know, drill a hole in the bottom of a
bucket and feel it with gravel. Pour water in the top and the water will go
through the gravel and out the hole. Replace the gravel with sand. The same
amount of water won't go through the sand as it did the gravel, it will
overflow.
Could this be the reason it's overflowing???

All the coffeemakers I've had include a pot with a maximum fill mark
painted/incised. The difference in the amount of water absorbed by
fine/coarse ground coffee can't be more than an ounce. And it sure
doesn't produce extra water -- if the water fits in the pot before
brewing, it'll fit afterward.

Gary wrote in message ...
TOM KAN PA wrote:

Someone said to grind the coffee finer, you can get a stronger flavor without
using more coffee. I did this the last time I bought coffee. I'm wondering if
once the grounds get wet that the water won't filter through them like it would
through the courser ground coffee. You know, drill a hole in the bottom of a
bucket and feel it with gravel. Pour water in the top and the water will go
through the gravel and out the hole. Replace the gravel with sand. The same
amount of water won't go through the sand as it did the gravel, it will
overflow.
Could this be the reason it's overflowing???

Exactly. It takes a much wider filter area to equal the same flow that courser
ground coffee takes. I don't know what the solution to that is.

Gary



They might want to try one of those metal screen filters?

Not sure.....

C.

"Frogleg" wrote in message
...

All the coffeemakers I've had include a pot with a maximum fill mark
painted/incised. The difference in the amount of water absorbed by
fine/coarse ground coffee can't be more than an ounce. And it sure
doesn't produce extra water -- if the water fits in the pot before
brewing, it'll fit afterward.

Frog,

The OP's problem was overflow at the filter, not the pot. A direct result
of the finer grind (which can pack tighter together) preventing the water
from exiting the filter at a rate equal to or greater than the rate at which
it's coming into the filter.

Jason

Frogleg wrote:

All the coffeemakers I've had include a pot with a maximum fill mark
painted/incised. The difference in the amount of water absorbed by
fine/coarse ground coffee can't be more than an ounce. And it sure
doesn't produce extra water -- if the water fits in the pot before
brewing, it'll fit afterward.

I believe it was overflowing the filter, not the pot.



Brian Rodenborn

In article , Frogleg
wrote:

On 08 Oct 2003 13:24:54 GMT, c (TOM KAN PA) wrote:

Someone said to grind the coffee finer, you can get a stronger flavor without
using more coffee. I did this the last time I bought coffee. I'm wondering if


All the coffeemakers I've had include a pot with a maximum fill mark
painted/incised. The difference in the amount of water absorbed by
fine/coarse ground coffee can't be more than an ounce. And it sure
doesn't produce extra water -- if the water fits in the pot before
brewing, it'll fit afterward.


It's not overflowing the pot, it's overflowing the filter basket. The hot
water is coming into the filter basket faster than the brewed coffee can
get through the filter.

The only solution I can suggest using your present coffee is to brew less
coffee at a time.

I grind my coffee finer than ADP, but just one notch finer.

--
Dan Abel
Sonoma State University
AIS

Gary wrote in message ...
TOM KAN PA wrote:
Exactly. It takes a much wider filter area to equal the same flow that courser
ground coffee takes. I don't know what the solution to that is.

Perhaps, make smaller pots of coffee?

Karen

In article ,
c (TOM KAN PA) wrote:

Someone said to grind the coffee finer, you can get a stronger flavor without
using more coffee. I did this the last time I bought coffee. I'm wondering if
once the grounds get wet that the water won't filter through them like it
would
through the courser ground coffee. You know, drill a hole in the bottom of a
bucket and feel it with gravel. Pour water in the top and the water will go
through the gravel and out the hole. Replace the gravel with sand. The same
amount of water won't go through the sand as it did the gravel, it will
overflow.
Could this be the reason it's overflowing???


Yes, and for no gain. Don't grind the coffee finer; the extraction time
is in direct proportion to the ground size--the smaller the grounds, the
shorter the extraction time. If you grind finer, you get coffee that's
more bitter, not stronger.

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"TOM KAN PA" wrote in message
...
Someone said to grind the coffee finer, you can get a stronger flavor
without
using more coffee. I did this the last time I bought coffee. I'm wondering
if
once the grounds get wet that the water won't filter through them like it
would
through the courser ground coffee. You know, drill a hole in the bottom of
a
bucket and feel it with gravel. Pour water in the top and the water will
go
through the gravel and out the hole. Replace the gravel with sand. The
same
amount of water won't go through the sand as it did the gravel, it will
overflow.
Could this be the reason it's overflowing???

That's 'zackly why. Drip grind is not a fine dust, but rather small
particles. Too fine a grind and you've made mud which won't allow water to
steep all that nice coffee. Espresso is a fine grind but that's a different
process. If you have a burr grinder, set it for about half way on the
coarse/fine scale, perhaps a touch toward fine.

Jack Arabica

"Frogleg" wrote in message
...
On 08 Oct 2003 13:24:54 GMT, c (TOM KAN PA) wrote:

Someone said to grind the coffee finer, you can get a stronger flavor
without
using more coffee. I did this the last time I bought coffee. I'm
wondering if
once the grounds get wet that the water won't filter through them like it
would
through the courser ground coffee. You know, drill a hole in the bottom
of a
bucket and feel it with gravel. Pour water in the top and the water will
go
through the gravel and out the hole. Replace the gravel with sand. The
same
amount of water won't go through the sand as it did the gravel, it will
overflow.
Could this be the reason it's overflowing???

All the coffeemakers I've had include a pot with a maximum fill mark
painted/incised. The difference in the amount of water absorbed by
fine/coarse ground coffee can't be more than an ounce. And it sure
doesn't produce extra water -- if the water fits in the pot before
brewing, it'll fit afterward.

Pot/Carafe, yes. Filter basket, no. That's where his overflow is
happening.

Jack Braun

In article ,
c (TOM KAN PA) wrote:

Could this be the reason it's overflowing???

You bet!
--
-Barb