On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:46:14 GMT, The Wolf
wrote:


He's a lisping

Let's hear it now for pointing and laughing about minor speech
impediments or regional accents!

little fag

And you're deducing sexual orientation from...what? The young man is
married with 2 kids and appears to enjoy plenty of female company.

who couldn¹t cook his way out of a wet paper bag.

Funny that he's been employed as a chef, supervises a couple of
restaurants, has had several enormously successful TV cooking shows,
written at least 3 best-selling cookbooks, and been promoted
commercially by many food companies on 3 continents.

His idea of spicy, a little black pepper.

?? He uses chile in every third dish, as well as garlic and ginger. He
adds a lot of Thai flavor (lemon grass, chile, fish sauce, lime) to
many dishes. And combos of fresh herbs to everything but chocolate
cake.

I want to throw a brick through my television every time a commercial for
his show comes on.

Please do.

"Craig Welch" ha scritto

Please keep in mind that Perry singlehandedly took Qantas' food
from
'up there with them' to the single biggest source of customer
complaints in the history of the airline.

Jey, what did they do? Put it all in the hands of this Perry?
I had a relative working at Qantas, I thougth he was responsible
for buying foods.
His name is Omero. My ubncle once went to Oz to meet him, and
when they came around dinner time, Omero raised the phone and had
some oysters shipped in two hours straigth home.
Wonder if someone knows him...

Vilco

"Frogleg" ha scritto

although he certainly appears to enjoy cooking for friends. It
*would*
be interesting if he could do one show without olive oil, but
c'est la
Italian training. :-)

Well, c'est la "his own damn" training.
If he puts some olive oil in lasagne, then change channel and
forget this man.
Italian cooking is not "olive oil everywhere". I think that he's
just trying to build
a character on himself by being the most "typical" he can be.

Someone putting olive oil everywhere is not doing typical italian
cooking, he's
just doing audience-making and oil wasting.

Vilco

[snip]

Funny that he's been employed as a chef, supervises a couple of
restaurants, has had several enormously successful TV cooking shows,
written at least 3 best-selling cookbooks, and been promoted
commercially by many food companies on 3 continents.

He might have had some successful TV shows, etc, but there was an article in
a British national newspaper a couple of years ago which said that his shows
were watched more for the entertainment value than for the cooking. IIRC,
it also said that people rarely cooked any of the recipes that he did on the
show, or from any other cooking shows on TV.


[snip]

On 10/7/03 1:35 PM, in article ,
"Frogleg" opined:

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:46:14 GMT, The Wolf
wrote:


He's a lisping

Let's hear it now for pointing and laughing about minor speech
impediments or regional accents!

I forgot his lips are bigger than Mick Jagger's

little fag

And you're deducing sexual orientation from...what? The young man is
married with 2 kids and appears to enjoy plenty of female company.


In America they are called "beards"

who couldn¹t cook his way out of a wet paper bag.

Funny that he's been employed as a chef, supervises a couple of
restaurants, has had several enormously successful TV cooking shows,
written at least 3 best-selling cookbooks, and been promoted
commercially by many food companies on 3 continents.

Which proves there are A LOT of stupid consumers on the planet.

His idea of spicy, a little black pepper.

?? He uses chile in every third dish, as well as garlic and ginger. He
adds a lot of Thai flavor (lemon grass, chile, fish sauce, lime) to
many dishes. And combos of fresh herbs to everything but chocolate
cake.

I want to throw a brick through my television every time a commercial for
his show comes on.

Please do.

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"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
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Craig Welch wrote:


Hint: He became famous *because* patrons at the restaurants at which
he cooked loved his food.

No he didn't. He became famous because some people making a documentary
about the River Cafe saw him explaining what he was cooking, thought
"this guy's a natural for TV" and offered him a show.

"woodsie" wrote in message
...
u must be naive to think that's all there is to it.

and consider him to be one of the better chefs on TV.

did u not see The Best (or whatever it was called) on the ABC not that
long ago?. Those 3 chef's could really cook.

Yeah, I saw "The Best", and I agree with you they are very good. I also
like quite a few other chefs in fact their are probably more TV chefs who's
style I admire than not, that hardly makes me naive. Television production
values aside "Oliver's Kitchen" continues to display Jamie Oliver's love of
food and cooking. At least he has brought energy, back to cooking shows and
that can't be a bad thing. God help us, if all we had was Geoff Janz and
Ian Parmenter.

Cheers
Craig L.

On 10/8/03 2:54 AM, in article ,
"Craig Welch" opined:

more than certainly any other
TV cook.

Emeril would chew little oliver up like the punk he is and spit him out.
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"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
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"Tim Vanhoof" wrote in message
...
Craig Welch wrote:


Hint: He became famous *because* patrons at the restaurants at which
he cooked loved his food.

No he didn't. He became famous because some people making a documentary
about the River Cafe saw him explaining what he was cooking, thought
"this guy's a natural for TV" and offered him a show.

So? I like him, and I like his food, though it is not especially healthy. I
have cooked a few of his recipes, and they always taste good. I love the way
he does roasts and just chucks everything in the same pan. Saves on washing
up.

On Tue, 7 Oct 2003 17:03:09 +0200, "Vilco \(out\)" wrote:

"Frogleg" ha scritto

although he certainly appears to enjoy cooking for friends. It
*would*
be interesting if he could do one show without olive oil, but
c'est la
Italian training. :-)

Well, c'est la "his own damn" training.
If he puts some olive oil in lasagne, then change channel and
forget this man.
Italian cooking is not "olive oil everywhere". I think that he's
just trying to build
a character on himself by being the most "typical" he can be.

Someone putting olive oil everywhere is not doing typical italian
cooking, he's
just doing audience-making and oil wasting.

Well, as I understand it, his first training/jobs were in Italian
restaurants. And I also believe that much Italian cooking makes use of
a fair amount of olive oil. You just *know* when Oliver uses OO in a
dish, he's going to dribble some over the finished product. I don't
mind. I don't think I've seen him make lasagne. He's also pretty free
with cream and chocolate, and uses a lot of rosemary, as well as other
fresh herbs. I don't think he's trying to push any particular style or
persona, just encourage people to try some relatively simple cooking.

On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 18:11:31 +1000, "Iggy"
wrote:

"Tim Vanhoof" wrote
Craig Welch wrote:

Hint: He became famous *because* patrons at the restaurants at which
he cooked loved his food.

No he didn't. He became famous because some people making a documentary
about the River Cafe saw him explaining what he was cooking, thought
"this guy's a natural for TV" and offered him a show.

So? I like him, and I like his food, though it is not especially healthy. I
have cooked a few of his recipes, and they always taste good. I love the way
he does roasts and just chucks everything in the same pan. Saves on washing
up.

I think the first show I saw featured salmon and green beans with
tomatoes and anchovies cooked in the same same pan (you have to blanch
the beans first). I tried it, and it was easy and very tasty. I
don't think much of the stuff he presents is unhealthy -- little of it
is diet food, to be sure. The firemen's dinner with a desert of
chocolate cake/brownie plus custard sauce plus chocolate sauce was a
little over the top for me, but then firemen expend a lot of energy
and I don't. :-)

Iggy wrote:

"Tim Vanhoof" wrote in message
...
Craig Welch wrote:


Hint: He became famous *because* patrons at the restaurants at which
he cooked loved his food.

No he didn't. He became famous because some people making a documentary
about the River Cafe saw him explaining what he was cooking, thought
"this guy's a natural for TV" and offered him a show.

So? I like him, and I like his food, though it is not especially healthy. I
have cooked a few of his recipes, and they always taste good. I love the way
he does roasts and just chucks everything in the same pan. Saves on washing
up.

That old trick! Learnt that from my granny!

I've made a few Jamie recipes in my time and had great success.

--
peeby

On 10/8/03 6:41 AM, in article ,
"Craig Welch" opined:

On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 04:20:45 GMT, The Wolf
wrote:

Jamie's "great variety of spices" McCormick's ground black pepper and
McCormick's ground black pepper.

So you're just admitting that you've not seen the show more than
once? He uses more chillie than many people like. Do you dispute
this?
I've not seen the show for more than five seconds! And that was enough!
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================================================== =================
"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
================================================== =================

On 10/8/03 6:43 AM, in article ,
"Craig Welch" opined:

On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 15:46:14 GMT, The Wolf
wrote:

He's a lisping little fag who couldn¹t cook his way out of a wet paper bag.
His idea of spicy, a little black pepper.

He does have a speech oddity, but he doesn't actually lisp. Your
powers of observation are not all they should be, old chap.

OK, I'll admit I know nothing about speech impediments, but we agree
something ain't quite right there?

He's not a 'fag', he's quite straight.

How do you know he's never "taken a walk on the wild side?" He sure seems
gay.

The many people who have eaten the food he's prepared consider him a
very good cook.

My point, I don't want to watch some clown doing a bad Austin Powers
impersonation cooking Italian food. I want to see an Italian cooking Italian
food. Comprende Amigo?

He uses far more spice than most TV chefs.

--
================================================== =================
"When a broad table is to be made, and the edges of planks do not fit, the
artist takes a little from both, and makes a good joint. In like manner
here, both sides must part with some of their demands," Benjamin Franklin
(1706-1790)
================================================== =================

The Wolf wrote:

My point, I don't want to watch some clown doing a bad Austin Powers
impersonation cooking Italian food. I want to see an Italian cooking
Italian food. Comprende Amigo?

To be quite honest, he is quite good at his Italian cooking. He also has a
love for the food which I think is lacking in a lot of the Italian chefs
that I see on TV here (Italy). I use his books as do many of my Italian
(born and raised here in Siena) friends and all are very happy with the
results.

It is too bad that you have only seen a few seconds of his show as you don't
have a clue to how good he really is. And his latest show, about opening a
restaurant with 15 young and unemployable people was a real eye opener for
many who like you were either jealous of his success or ignorant to good
cooking. I saw many minds changed after watching the full series!

Cristina