And you made no effort to see if *any of it* was accurate.

I wasn't that interested. I have debated this here in the past. I
don't keep a file on the case in which to pull out factiods. I don't
really care.


You started off by exclaiming how most people were sadly
ignorant of the facts of the case and proceeded to not know
details surrounding the case. I offered lots of details,
some that needed corroboration and some that were logical
deductions. You've dismissed everyone of them without
anything to counter any of it.

I simply don't have time, Bob.

Here are some sources that
took, oh, maybe 5 minutes of Googling.

http://www.coffeeresearch.org/coffee/brewing.htm
http://www.ineedcoffee.com/brewing/
http://www.boyds.com/coffee/brewingguide.html
http://www.virtualcoffee.com/may/seven.html

From a spec sheet of a factory-standard Bunn coffee maker
like most restaurants use:
"Brewing capacity: based upon incoming water temp of 60ºF
(140ºF rise) per 1/2 gallon brew time of 4 minutes." That
brings brewing temperature to 200F. These are the kinds of
units that McD, every other food service operation,
convenience store and fancy-ass dress shop use. Some have
more or fewer heater plates, but they're all operating the
same way.

Ok - where's your citation that the McD's where Stella bought her
coffee indeed has this unit?



Click on US specs.
http://www.bunn.com/pages/commercl/1coffee/automatic.html

Either way, it isn't a big deal to me. I agree with the
jury. shrug

You've dismissed anything that disputes/questions your
conclusion. You decided on incomplete and faulty
information, and nothing has affected any part of your
decision. New data that you didn't have didn't matter. Logic
and deductions didn't matter. No facts, no technical
information matters to your position.

No, I simply don't have time nor inclination to confirm the data *YOU*
posted - that's your job. If I had time to support what I had
written in the first place, I would have. It's simply not that
important to me. Apparently it is important to you - why - I don't
know.




Yes, I can be an asshole. Not exactly news to me or anyone
who's watched me over the years. But you can be intransigent
and stubborn in the face of good info that contradicts you.
It's one of your hallmarks

Cite one other instance where I have done this. The truth is I won't
substantiate *your* comments so your panties are in a bundle.



. A kind of belligerent refusal to
consider anything not yours. Our major flaws bump into each
other.

I've seen you develop arguments with an almost scientific
laying out of material. It's not what you've done with this one.

I don't care enough to spend the time to do it.


Even though you claim all coffee is made the same way, I
have had coffee that is *way* hotter than it should have been - way
hotter than most other coffees I have ever had. If it's all made the
*exact* same way, as you claim, how can that be? It can't.

Of course it can. Brewing temperature isn't serving
temperature. Thick ceramic mugs drop the temperature 20 or
30 degrees just because of their thermal mass. Heater plates
on coffee makers wear out and don't work to the factory-spec
temperature after a while. Servers walk around a restaurant
with a coffee pot for 5 minutes, pouring as they go. Coffee
in a pot on a home coffee machine warmer plate for 20
minutes - and the warmer plate only heats to 145F. You just
came in from the cold and took a sip of coffee. You picked
up a takeout coffee and drove for 7 miles before drinking
it. It's a very hot day and you just took a sip of coffee.
Your takeout was poured directly from a pot that finished
brewing 20 seconds ago and you want to drink it now. There
can be lots of reasons why it hits your mouth at variable
temperatures.

I'm talking about similar circumstance - one coffee at MC D's in a
paper cup vs. another at Joe's Joe House in another - similar - paper
cup. Two days apart. Coffee should be drinkable (cool enough to drink
without getting burned) in a reasonable amont of time.



As for what "it should have been," that's an individual
judgement, not some objective criterion.

Reasonable people expect to be able to drink their coffee after a few
minutes of cooling - not scald the skin off their lips.

As long as there
are no specific temperatures given, there can be no stable
conclusions.

And don't
tell me you want me to quote exact temperatures because you know damn
well people don't measure the temp of their coffee with a thermometer.

My point exactly. So the comparisons are all situational
judgements. You want it to be that we're machines with
unvarying responses, so that we can judge today's cup of
coffee with that one last month. Never happen. Humans are
like that.

In early September, a 65F day is chilly. In March, it's nice
and uncharacteristically warm. In the Northern Hemisphere.

Extremely too ****ing hot is extremely too ****ing hot.

Sorry. No. It isn't. That's an individual, situational
judgement, not some absolute. And the same individual will
see the same absolute temperatures in different ways at
different times and settings.

There is some point where all mentally stable people will agree that
the coffee is too ****ing hot. Don't think so? Let me throw some of
that shit on you, then.



And I'm not a hot coffee pussy. I like my java smokin'.

What a colorful expression. Apparently you like it so it's
not "extremely too ****ing hot" - whatever that means.
There's only so hot it can get. Coffee noticeably steams
above 185F. It's a grand total difference between that and
*maximum* brewing temp of 20 degrees F.

And after all we've meant to each other over the years...

No, seriously...

The problem is you can't argue without adding a personal attack. Did I
attack you personally - ever? No. Why? - because you usually don't
deserve it.

I believe that somebody said that I'm really an asshole
sometimes. sigh

That was after you started attacking me personally.
-L.

Wayne Boatwright wrote:

Oh pshaw, on Fri 01 Dec 2006 02:23:02p, TFM® meant to say...


wrote in message
roups.com...

I saw this printed on a package of mixed nuts at the grocery sto
"Handcrafted".
How do you handcraft a nut?


I've got one for you. At the Publix grocery stores here they sell
packaged, prepeeled boiled eggs in the deli section.

This is printed on the nutrition information section of the label,
"Allergen information : Contains eggs".


ROTF! DUH!

At exactly what point did the government decide we were all simpletons? :-)

Not *all*, just *enough*. Really. I've known for years.

Kate

--
Kate Connally
“If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.”
Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back,
Until you bite their heads off.”
What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about?

-L. wrote:

I wasn't that interested. I have debated this here in the past. I
don't keep a file on the case in which to pull out factiods. I don't
really care.

I simply don't have time, Bob.

Ok - where's your citation that the McD's where Stella bought her
coffee indeed has this unit?

No, I simply don't have time nor inclination to confirm
the data *YOU*
posted - that's your job. If I had time to support what I had
written in the first place, I would have. It's simply not that
important to me. Apparently it is important to you - why - I don't
know.

Cite one other instance where I have done this. The
truth is I won't
substantiate *your* comments so your panties are in a bundle.

I don't care enough to spend the time to do it.

I'm talking about similar circumstance - one coffee at
MC D's in a
paper cup vs. another at Joe's Joe House in another - similar - paper
cup. Two days apart. Coffee should be drinkable (cool enough to drink
without getting burned) in a reasonable amont of time.

Reasonable people expect to be able to drink their coffee after a few
minutes of cooling - not scald the skin off their lips.

There is some point where all mentally stable people will agree that
the coffee is too ****ing hot. Don't think so? Let me throw some of
that shit on you, then.

That was after you started attacking me personally.

And that, as they say, is that. She doesn't care and she
doesn't have time. And she doesn't really care 24 lines
worth. And no time to post it.

Last empty words to -L.

Pastorio

Bob (this one) wrote:
-L. wrote:

I wasn't that interested. I have debated this here in the past. I
don't keep a file on the case in which to pull out factiods. I don't
really care.

I simply don't have time, Bob.

Ok - where's your citation that the McD's where Stella bought her
coffee indeed has this unit?

No, I simply don't have time nor inclination to confirm
the data *YOU*
posted - that's your job. If I had time to support what I had
written in the first place, I would have. It's simply not that
important to me. Apparently it is important to you - why - I don't
know.

Cite one other instance where I have done this. The
truth is I won't
substantiate *your* comments so your panties are in a bundle.

I don't care enough to spend the time to do it.

I'm talking about similar circumstance - one coffee at
MC D's in a
paper cup vs. another at Joe's Joe House in another - similar - paper
cup. Two days apart. Coffee should be drinkable (cool enough to drink
without getting burned) in a reasonable amont of time.

Reasonable people expect to be able to drink their coffee after a few
minutes of cooling - not scald the skin off their lips.

There is some point where all mentally stable people will agree that
the coffee is too ****ing hot. Don't think so? Let me throw some of
that shit on you, then.

That was after you started attacking me personally.

And that, as they say, is that. She doesn't care and she
doesn't have time. And she doesn't really care 24 lines
worth. And no time to post it.

Last empty words to -L.

Pastorio

Yeah, BOB and that post took me about 3 minutes to write. I could
easily spend an hour or more looking up data to support or deny YOUR
claims. But why should I? So you can attack me personally some more?

-L.

-L. wrote:
Bob (this one) wrote:
-L. wrote:

I wasn't that interested. I have debated this here
in the past. I don't keep a file on the case in
which to pull out factiods. I don't really care.

I simply don't have time, Bob. Ok - where's your
citation that the McD's where Stella bought her
coffee indeed has this unit?

No, I simply don't have time nor inclination to
confirm the data *YOU* posted - that's your job.
If I had time to support what I had written in the
first place, I would have. It's simply not that
important to me. Apparently it is important to you -
why - I don't know.

Cite one other instance where I have done this. The
truth is I won't substantiate *your* comments so your
panties are in a bundle.

I don't care enough to spend the time to do it.

I'm talking about similar circumstance - one coffee
at MC D's in a paper cup vs. another at Joe's Joe
House in another - similar - paper cup. Two days
apart. Coffee should be drinkable (cool enough to
drink without getting burned) in a reasonable amont
of time.

Reasonable people expect to be able to drink their
coffee after a few minutes of cooling - not scald the
skin off their lips.

There is some point where all mentally stable people
will agree that the coffee is too ****ing hot. Don't
think so? Let me throw some of that shit on you,
then.

That was after you started attacking me personally.

And that, as they say, is that. She doesn't care and
she doesn't have time. And she doesn't really care 24
lines worth. And no time to post it.

Last empty words to -L.

Pastorio

Yeah, BOB and that post took me about 3 minutes to write.
I could easily spend an hour or more looking up data to
support or deny YOUR claims. But why should I? So you
can attack me personally some more?

Nah. So you can be honest.

Let me type this slowly so you can grasp the concept. If you
offer information - as you did about Stella and McD's - you
have an obligation to prove/defend it. That's how grownups
do it. These blithe dismissals mark you simply as a
hit-and-run sort who feels no compunction about splurting
the most spurious twaddle and expecting others to believe it
just because you posted it. And to perform these pirouettes
and evasions and diversions when questioned merely
spotlights a trivially superficial perspective. To try to
weasel out of the discourse when your faulty data is
demonstrated to be, well, faulty is purely ego-driven, as
though if anything you've posted is incorrect, somehow that
diminishes you, so you must - at all costs - insist on
everything but the veracity of your information. That
nothing posted even raises any questions for you
demonstrates the entire sincerity you brought to this
situation. Now whine some more about being personally
attacked instead of actually checking the information you
were presented because you asked for it.

Yes, you could look at the citations I offered - after you
asked for citations - and that would mean that you were
actually part of the exchange you claim not to have the time
or interest for, yet are still posting to. Had you spent 10
minutes looking at the URLs, the information would have been
very clear - it needn't have taken a precious hour of your
life. But you have a stake in either being absolutely
correct or not sufficiently interested or available to check
- which is a redundancy. So you'll hold on to the old
opinion, never mind anything else.

As for taking three minutes to write it, I wouldn't be so
proud of an empty post that only offers excuses, evasions
and whining, while asking for citations you'll never look
at. Why should you take time to check at least some of the
data? Because *you* raised the issues. *You* asked for
citations. *You* made demonstrably erroneous statements.
*You* were certainly interested and using time before
countering information was brought in.

Pastorio

marika wrote:
On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:48:47 -0500, Bob (this one) wrote:

cybercat wrote:
"-L." wrote

Bob (this one) wrote:
Maybe drink iced coffee from now on. I'm just trying to help...

No, seriously...

Pastorio

Ya know, you're really an asshole sometimes. It's not becoming.

I have noticed this.

And...? Noticed anything else?


yeserday I went to this party and the hosts had this cute little jack
russell terrier. i didn't think he looked anything like the one on
Fraser. I would not have guessed it was the same breeed.

The little guy I saw was more like a Caucasian dachshund, but a little
taller

so cute

--

"The bill would create a centralized and open facility for gene and
brain banking, which is essential for scientific progress in autism.
""--senator hayworth

Interesting 5 years after Hayworth says this, and 2 days after I post
this, now congress has according to Fox News, declared a war against
autism, what's now dubbed an epidemic

mk5000

"I'll always love my mama
She's my favorite girl.:00intruders

On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 02:10:24 -0500, -L. wrote:


Bob (this one) wrote:
-L. wrote:
Bob (this one) wrote:
Maybe drink iced coffee from now on. I'm just trying to help...

No, seriously...

Pastorio

Ya know, you're really an asshole sometimes. It's not becoming.

Translation: I was wrong and I appreciate the new information.

I don't know if the information is accurate or not - you supplied no
sources. Either way, it isn't a big deal to me. I agree with the
jury. shrug Even though you claim all coffee is made the same way, I
have had coffee that is *way* hotter than it should have been - way
hotter than most other coffees I have ever had. If it's all made the
*exact* same way, as you claim, how can that be? It can't. And don't
tell me you want me to quote exact temperatures because you know damn
well people don't measure the temp of their coffee with a thermometer.
Extremely too ****ing hot is extremely too ****ing hot. And I'm not a
hot coffee pussy. I like my java smokin'.

You mean with chicory?
Seems to me that every place in New Orleans French Quarter serves such
smoked coffee



And after all we've meant to each other over the years...

No, seriously...

The problem is you can't argue without adding a personal attack. Did I
attack you personally - ever? No. Why? - because you usually don't
deserve it.

-L.