In article ,
"TFM®" wrote:


I used to drink and drive. Coffee, that is.

Then I came to the conclusion I might as well pour a third of it on my
pecker to start with and avoid the surprise.

The worst incident ever was the time I was riding behind a school bus. The
bus was making stops at almost every house. I was idling in first gear with
a stick shift so I never really had to stop and I was maintaining a
respectable distance behind the bus.

The coffee was between my legs and the motor coughed. When that happened I
involuntarily stomped the gas pedal to the floor making things even worse.

Running wide open in agonizing pain toward the ass end of a school bus ain't
the best way to start your day.

My buddy riding with me was yelling, "What the Hell are you doing!?!?!"

Logic took over and I did the clutch and brake thing just as I threw that
Goddamned styrofoam cup out the window.

These days I always put enough ice in my coffee to bring it down a notch
from the hellish temps they deem neccessary at 7-11.

--
TFM®

I never have understood why coffee has to be at scalding frickin' temps.
It's not drinkable, so what's the damned point?

I think that is what won the McDonalds case.
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Peace, Om

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"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

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"ravenlynne" wrote:

barry in indy wrote:
"Yeff" wrote in message
...
On 1 Dec 2006 15:57:09 -0800, wrote:

"But there were no instructions telling me *not* to put the
gerbil into
my rectum! Who do I sue?"


You mean you're not supposed to DO that??????!!!!!!

--
barry in indy

And why did my curling iron's packaging say "For external use only?"
What happened that they needed to put that?

coughs

It's probably better that we _don't_ know!
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Peace, Om

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"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

Reminds me of the time in the dim and distant past, when my
cousin and I carefully opened a walnut, replaced the innards with
an actual metal hardware nut, and resealed the walnut. Someone
got an interesting surprise. Hopefully, they looked before they
ate (kind of hard not to).



In the mid 90's when we used to attend Electric Vehicle races in
Phoenix, some crazy Californians handed out "rubber nuts" there.

It was a walnut which looked perfectly intact, but if you dropped it on
a hard surface it would pop open and a condom would fly out. (It was
funny at the time.)

gloria p

Omelet wrote:
In article ,
"TFM�" wrote:

I used to drink and drive. Coffee, that is.

Then I came to the conclusion I might as well pour a third of it on my
pecker to start with and avoid the surprise.

The worst incident ever was the time I was riding behind a school bus. The
bus was making stops at almost every house. I was idling in first gear with
a stick shift so I never really had to stop and I was maintaining a
respectable distance behind the bus.

The coffee was between my legs and the motor coughed. When that happened I
involuntarily stomped the gas pedal to the floor making things even worse.

Running wide open in agonizing pain toward the ass end of a school bus ain't
the best way to start your day.

My buddy riding with me was yelling, "What the Hell are you doing!?!?!"

Logic took over and I did the clutch and brake thing just as I threw that
Goddamned styrofoam cup out the window.

These days I always put enough ice in my coffee to bring it down a notch
from the hellish temps they deem neccessary at 7-11.

--
TFM�

I never have understood why coffee has to be at scalding frickin' temps.
It's not drinkable, so what's the damned point?

It needs to be between 195 and 205 to extract what it is you
like about coffee. Lower temps than that and it comes out
weak and thin- tasting. *Every* electric brewer - home-use
or commercial - brews in that range. The reason it's served
in restaurants around 180F is so you can smell it. That
standard is from the coffee industry, arrived at after lots
of testing to see where the whole coffee-drinking experience
is optimum. Home coffee makers don't hold it that hot. It's
not because 180F isn't good, it's because a heater plate
that can hold that temperature would cost too much to keep
retail prices for the coffee makers low.

I think that is what won the McDonalds case.

Lawyers won the McD case. Certainly not facts. Their coffee
is no hotter than everybody else's. Like the 7-11 mentioned
above. It's either brewed and held at those temps or you
won't buy it because it tastes like somebody ran it through
a llama.

Pastorio

Bob (this one) wrote:
jmcquown wrote:
TFM? wrote:
"kilikini" wrote

Not at all. I totally agree!
I agree, too!!!!!!!! Come on, for gosh, sakes!

Who is this "Gosh" you speak of?

That should properly read, "Come on, for God's sake!".

I believe in Gosh

So you won't go to heck.

Pastorio

Exactly

Oh pshaw, on Sat 02 Dec 2006 01:34:26p, Puester meant to say...

Omelet wrote:


I never have understood why coffee has to be at scalding frickin' temps.
It's not drinkable, so what's the damned point?



Because there are consumers who will b*tch mightily that the coffee is
cold if it's not hot enough to scald all the way down their throats.

gloria p


My dad always drank black coffee straight out of the perculator in a thin-
walled porcelain cup (little heat absorbtion). I don't know how he did it.
It would have scalded me.

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
(Marshall McLuhan)

In article . com,
"-L." wrote:

Dan Abel wrote:
In article . com,
" wrote:

Peter wrote:

Well, you guys do have a lawsuit happy culture where you can sue for the
coffee being too hot for millions of dollars

Some people may think I'm a bad person for thinking this, I don't care,
but anyone who is stupid enough to hold hot coffee in their lap while
driving deserves to get burned. They need to stop awarding stupidity.

Speaking of stupidity. I really hate it when people just make stuff up.
Are you both referring to the suit against McDonald's?

She wasn't driving, her grandson was.

The car was stopped.

Nobody knows how much money she got. The final settlement was out of
court, and a condition was that nobody reveal the amount.

McDonald's had already been sued 700 times for this.

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

Most people are glaringly ignorant of the case. The woman deserved
the award - IIRC it has been reported to be around 300K which was a
pittance.


Funny thing is, she only asked for US$20,000 originally, which McDonalds
refused to pay. So she sued.

--
Dan Abel

Petaluma, California, USA

Omelet wrote:


I never have understood why coffee has to be at scalding frickin' temps.
It's not drinkable, so what's the damned point?



Because there are consumers who will b*tch mightily that the coffee is
cold if it's not hot enough to scald all the way down their throats.

gloria p

tofuqueen wrote:
wrote:
I saw this printed on a package of mixed nuts at the grocery sto
"Handcrafted".
How do you handcraft a nut?

Were the nuts carved into the shapes of the season or animals? :-)

They were Kettle brand nuts. The only thing different about them is
they have different seasonings on them. I still wouldn't call them
handcrafted though.

Bob (this one) wrote:


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But the overriding point is the sheer magnitude of the
universe in question versus the problems in it. I still
can't grasp the intelligence behind McD's having
responsibility after they no longer have control. You buy a
cup of coffee presumably knowing it's hot and spill it on
yourself. McD's served coffee exactly like every other place
that serves coffee, but they're responsible.

Their coffee was found to be significantly hotter than like places -
whether or not the research was done appropriately is moot, in light of
the case. I expect coffee to be hot. I don't expect it to be so hot
that I get 2nd degree burns from it. I bought some coffee the other
day which about took my skin off my mouth when I attempted to sip it
even after blowing on it awhile. It was *far* hotter than it should
have been - and I like my coffee hot. It ****ed me off and made me
think of this case.

I thought McD's did lower their temps as a result of this case. I
don't have time to find a citation, but I though that was one of the
outcomes.

-L.

-L. wrote:
Bob (this one) wrote:


snip

But the overriding point is the sheer magnitude of the
universe in question versus the problems in it. I still
can't grasp the intelligence behind McD's having
responsibility after they no longer have control. You buy a
cup of coffee presumably knowing it's hot and spill it on
yourself. McD's served coffee exactly like every other place
that serves coffee, but they're responsible.

Their coffee was found to be significantly hotter than like places -

No. It wasn't. The college student measured coffee temps in
"mugs and cups," not specifically take out containers. I
already said this. The testimony doesn't say anything about
"like places" and the list of places and their temperatures
isn't available. And, to reiterate, we don't know what kind
of thermometer he used or how rigorous he was. Let's just
focus on the fact that he was a college student and see what
the likelihoods are.

whether or not the research was done appropriately is moot, in light of
the case.

How stupid. The entire case rested on the issue. Whether the
readings were accurate is everything. Stella's lawyers said
McD's coffee was hotter than everybody else's. It wasn't and
still isn't. Not a thing has changed in the coffee industry
as a result of this case. And do note that *not one case*
like this has hit the news since. Except the one that was
laughed out of court with the judge saying pretty much that
"hot coffee is hot. Deal with it."

Stella was burned through her own stupidity. I feel sorry
for her having had to endure the pain and discomfort, but
she had full control of that cup of coffee and she spilled
it on herself. The coffee was at a standard service
temperature - it was most likely between 165 and 180F,
impossible to tell with any accuracy at this remove.

I expect coffee to be hot. I don't expect it to be so hot
that I get 2nd degree burns from it.

Then you know nothing about brewing coffee and nothing about
2nd degree burns. I gave the facts about coffee brewing -
both for home and commercially - and you seem not to have
noticed. Do go check what the coffee industry says about
coffee temperatures. Don't take my word. But do take the
words of people who actually know something about the
subject. You can get 2nd degree burns from hot tap water.

The simple fact is you have no idea what actual temperature
you want it to be. Just "not too hot." Your home coffee
maker brews coffee to the same temps as McD does. Stick a
calibrated thermometer into the stream coming down from the
brewing basket and check for yourself.

I bought some coffee the other
day which about took my skin off my mouth when I attempted to sip it
even after blowing on it awhile.

Practice blowing a bit more. "About took the skin off my
mouth..." I love it when you get all technical and medical.

Coffee is brewed within a fairly narrow range - 195 to 205F,
mostly. The warming plates under commercial coffee makers
are designed to hold at around 185F. If the coffee isn't
steaming, you can't smell it. If you can't smell it, you
won't buy it. The coffee was at the right temperature for
all those functions. And, even as hot as you imagine it was,
you still didn't get 2nd degree burns. Or first degree, for
that matter.

It was *far* hotter than it should
have been - and I like my coffee hot.

How hot was it? How hot should it have been? Numbers,
darling. The simple fact is that the coffee wasn't any
hotter than everybody else's, just that you were in a shitty
humor. *Far* hotter...? How much hotter?

All these vague references are wonderfully content-free.

My suggestion is to not buy coffee from those bastids that
tried to burn the skin off your mouth. The bastids.

It ****ed me off and made me think of this case.

I'm sure it did. A lot of things seem to do that.

And you were just as stupid as Stella. She perched a cup of
hot coffee between her thighs and took the lid off. I guess
she had never before had a cup of coffee, or had it in a
take-out container, or understood that it was hot. Cup
between thigh, lid off - guaranteed to spill because the cup
needs the lid for stability. You tried to drink it when it
was too hot for you. See the similarity? Blow on it for a
few seconds and guzzle, too late discovering you aren't very
good at blowing.

I thought McD's did lower their temps as a result of this case. I
don't have time to find a citation, but I though that was one of the
outcomes.

You thought wrong. McD uses standard, off-the-shelf coffee
makers, just like every 7-11, Dunkin Donuts, restaurant,
Burger King, and ammo and bait shop. The only change McD
made was to put "Contents are hot" or some such words on the
cup. For the morons who buy hot coffee and expect it not to
be hot or who just haven't grasped the concept of the two
words together - "hot+coffee."

Maybe drink iced coffee from now on. I'm just trying to help...

No, seriously...

Pastorio

"Bob (this one)" wrote in message
...

Lawyers won the McD case. Certainly not facts. Their coffee is
no hotter than everybody else's. Like the 7-11 mentioned above.
It's either brewed and held at those temps or you won't buy it
because it tastes like somebody ran it through a llama.

Have you ever tried coffee run through a llama?

--
barry in indy

barry in indy wrote:
"Bob (this one)" wrote

Lawyers won the McD case. Certainly not facts. Their coffee is
no hotter than everybody else's. Like the 7-11 mentioned above.
It's either brewed and held at those temps or you won't buy it
because it tastes like somebody ran it through a llama.

Have you ever tried coffee run through a llama?

I've had some in late night truckstops that certainly
conjured thoughts like that...

I think I prefer coffee that tastes like it was run through
herbivores. The predator coffee has a distant fishy/meaty
flavor note that I think overwhelms the fine bouquet and
piquant overtones of well-aged roadhouse java. Although it
was usually hard to actually tell much at those times, end
of the evening as they were.

No, seriously...

Pastorio

On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 08:05:20 -0500, "Bob (this one)"
wrote:

barry in indy wrote:
"Bob (this one)" wrote

Lawyers won the McD case. Certainly not facts. Their coffee is
no hotter than everybody else's. Like the 7-11 mentioned above.
It's either brewed and held at those temps or you won't buy it
because it tastes like somebody ran it through a llama.

Have you ever tried coffee run through a llama?

I've had some in late night truckstops that certainly
conjured thoughts like that...

I think I prefer coffee that tastes like it was run through
herbivores. The predator coffee has a distant fishy/meaty
flavor note that I think overwhelms the fine bouquet and
piquant overtones of well-aged roadhouse java. Although it
was usually hard to actually tell much at those times, end
of the evening as they were.

Damn, you're good! G

--
www.caringbridge.org/visit/kilikini/

Good grief! I aparently lost a majority of gray matter last night.
What's a "foam?"

A "foam" is a damn spill chucker error...
Meant to be "foaf"

F riend
O f
A
F riend

Sweet dreams...