On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:37:50 -0500, "Nancy Young"
wrote:


"Serene" wrote

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:03:55 -0500, "Nancy Young"
wrote:

Mine gets dishes really, really clean 99% of the time, and I never
ever rinse a single one of them first.

Nothing wrong with washing your dishes by hand if you prefer,
just don't do it because dishwashers don't work. They do.

None of the ones I've ever had have managed to get a whole load of
dishes clean, with no food left on, and no soapy schmutz, even the
brand-new one at Guy's house. Clearly, they don't work well enough
for my taste, and when I wash them with my own hands, I can see each
dish and know it's clean enough for me.

Just to say, I am quite fussy. I grew up being the family dishwasher,
under the oh so watchful eye of my stepmother. I don't want you to
think I'm okay with dirty, soapy dishes, myself.

Oh, I'm sorry -- I wasn't implying that. Just saying I've had bad
luck with dishwashers. I've tried plenty of them, and none of them
have worked for me. I'm a little envious of people who have had good
luck finding a dishwasher that does a good job. I was sure that would
be the case with the brand-new one Guy got when he remodeled his
kitchen, but no such luck. Oh, well.

Serene
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Sheldon wrote:
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I wish I had a dishwasher other than myself!

But I thought you are married.

Sheldon

Yeah, therein lies the problem; I'm married to a food hound. LOL

Time to cut him off.

Btw, I do food shopping, cooking, dishes, and laundry...

Sheldon

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On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:41:21 -0500, " BOB" wrote:

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Before anyone starts analyzing the results, Yes, I own one and Yes,
I'd buy one. Mine is dieing and will soon be replaced *because* I
find it to be one of the most useful appliances in the *house*

I don't own a dishwasher, and don't want one. I don't think they get
the dishes clean enough, and if I'm gonna rinse the dishes before
they
go in, I may as well just wash them and be done with it. Plus, I
don't
mind washing dishes.

Serene

What Nancy said. I *DON'T* even pre-rinse before I put the dishes in
the dishwasher. Scrape off any food scraps and/or sauces, yes, but I
don't wash.

BOB

Nancy Young typed:
"Serene" wrote

I don't own a dishwasher, and don't want one. I don't think they
get
the dishes clean enough, and if I'm gonna rinse the dishes before
they
go in, I may as well just wash them and be done with it.

Mine gets dishes really, really clean 99% of the time, and I never
ever rinse a single one of them first.

nancy

Me too!
;-)

Serene typed:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:37:50 -0500, "Nancy Young"

wrote:


"Serene" wrote

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 15:03:55 -0500, "Nancy Young"

wrote:

Mine gets dishes really, really clean 99% of the time, and I
never
ever rinse a single one of them first.

Nothing wrong with washing your dishes by hand if you prefer,
just don't do it because dishwashers don't work. They do.

None of the ones I've ever had have managed to get a whole load of
dishes clean, with no food left on, and no soapy schmutz, even the
brand-new one at Guy's house. Clearly, they don't work well
enough
for my taste, and when I wash them with my own hands, I can see
each
dish and know it's clean enough for me.

Just to say, I am quite fussy. I grew up being the family
dishwasher,
under the oh so watchful eye of my stepmother. I don't want you to
think I'm okay with dirty, soapy dishes, myself.

Oh, I'm sorry -- I wasn't implying that. Just saying I've had bad
luck with dishwashers. I've tried plenty of them, and none of them
have worked for me. I'm a little envious of people who have had good
luck finding a dishwasher that does a good job. I was sure that
would
be the case with the brand-new one Guy got when he remodeled his
kitchen, but no such luck. Oh, well.


The water temperature has a lot to do with it. Also, if you have
extra hard (or extra soft) water, you have to adjust the diswasher
detergent.

BOB

Serene wrote:
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:41:21 -0500, " BOB" wrote:

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Chatty Cathy typed:
http://www.recfoodcooking.com/

Vote now!

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Cheers
Chatty Cathy

Before anyone starts analyzing the results, Yes, I own one and Yes,
I'd buy one. Mine is dieing and will soon be replaced *because* I
find it to be one of the most useful appliances in the *house*

I don't own a dishwasher, and don't want one. I don't think they get
the dishes clean enough, and if I'm gonna rinse the dishes before they
go in, I may as well just wash them and be done with it. Plus, I don't
mind washing dishes.

Serene

On one of my last trips the hotel room had a small kitchen. There was a GE
Profile half-size dishwasher in the room but oddly, no garbage disposal. So
we scraped the plates but they weren't really clean or "rinsed". We figured
what the heck and put them in the dishwasher *the next morning* (talking
dried on by this time). We were utterly amazed; the dishes came out
spotless.

Jill

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:59:19 -0800, Serene
wrote:


I don't own a dishwasher, and don't want one. I don't think they get
the dishes clean enough, and if I'm gonna rinse the dishes before they
go in, I may as well just wash them and be done with it. Plus, I don't
mind washing dishes.

Serene

If I didn't know better, I'd say you need a job and you need to cook
more.... but you're just plain "different". I hate washing dishes. I
break more dishes when my dishwasher is on the blink and I have to
hand wash than during the entire time the dishwasher worked. That's a
good enough reason to me to use a dishwasher, but I think it gets
dishes a lot cleaner (and we stay healthier) than I do on my own.

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On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 22:07:42 -0800, sf wrote:

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:59:19 -0800, Serene
wrote:


I don't own a dishwasher, and don't want one. I don't think they get
the dishes clean enough, and if I'm gonna rinse the dishes before they
go in, I may as well just wash them and be done with it. Plus, I don't
mind washing dishes.

Serene

If I didn't know better, I'd say you need a job and you need to cook
more.... but you're just plain "different".

Heh. Usually, I have at least two jobs (I'm down to two right now),
and I cook three hot meals a day, almost every day. Right now, I've
got ginger cookies in the oven.

I hate washing dishes. I
break more dishes when my dishwasher is on the blink and I have to
hand wash than during the entire time the dishwasher worked. That's a
good enough reason to me to use a dishwasher, but I think it gets
dishes a lot cleaner (and we stay healthier) than I do on my own.

Yeah, I totally get everyone's reasons for liking them. They just
haven't worked out for me, and I find the actual task of washing
dishes to be almost meditative.

(Not that I'm gonna complain if someone does them FOR me, you
understand.)

Serene
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Serene wrote:

Heh. Usually, I have at least two jobs (I'm down to two right now),
and I cook three hot meals a day, almost every day. Right now, I've
got ginger cookies in the oven.

Heh.

The most jobs I ever held at one time was 4...

Mom was still alive back then tho' so she did most of the cooking etc.
She lived here with me until she died and I took care of _her_ the last
6 months of her life whens she became a total invalid. :-(
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Serene wrote:

Yeah, I totally get everyone's reasons for liking them. They just
haven't worked out for me, and I find the actual task of washing
dishes to be almost meditative.

Ditto here.
I wash dishes usually twice per day (or more as needed) and it takes me
all of 5 minutes tops. I often use it to kill time when pans etc. are
heating.

When I'm cooking, I clean pots and utensils as I go so the kitchen is
clean when I'm done except for the dishes being used to serve the meal.
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sf wrote:
Serene wrote:

I don't own a dishwasher, and don't want one. I don't think they get
the dishes clean enough, and if I'm gonna rinse the dishes before they
go in, I may as well just wash them and be done with it. Plus, I don't
mind washing dishes.

If I didn't know better, I'd say you need a job and you need to cook
more.... but you're just plain "different".

I think that's a bit harsh... what does having a job and cooking more
have to do with using a dishwasher?!?!?

I hate washing dishes.

Many find washing dishes by hand relaxing, I do... I find it a very
good way to unwind after dealing with the harriedness of preparing a
meal and serving guests... while washing dishes by hand I can treat
myself to a peaceful hour of mindless reverie while perusing the
outdoors through my window.

I
break more dishes when my dishwasher is on the blink and I have to
hand wash than during the entire time the dishwasher worked. That's a
good enough reason to me to use a dishwasher,

Well, obviously you're a klutz.

but I think it gets
dishes a lot cleaner (and we stay healthier) than I do on my own.

How clean is clean? No one I know has a sterile kitchen, and dishes
when put away are certainly not individally hermetically sealed direct
from the autoclave... do you really think those dishes in your cuboard
are clean, they're certainly not, they're laden with microbial
colonies... it's the schmutz you can't see that can hurt you. Your
belief that you're dishwasher contributes to better health is utter
nonsense, unless otherwise you wouldn't wash dishes at all between
meals. If you want to talk "clean" than use disposables, paper plates
are actually sterile until you handle them.

Whether or not to use a dishwasher I think depends on life style, which
typically dictates quantity and type of dishes used (dishwashers ruin
quality dinnerware, flatware, and especially glassware). For folks
with large families or those who entertain a lot (but use cheapo
tableware) then I'd agree that a dishwasher is almost a necessity. But
for folks who live alone or are just a couple, and don't do much
entertaining, then a dishwasher can actually become a breeding ground
for germs while one waits for it to become full.

For many years I owned a dishwaher but never used it (when I say never
I mean never, never even turned it on to see if it works), but now that
I have six cats I typically run the dishwasher every other day, they
use far more dishes than me. And I still wash all pots by hand, pots
just do not fit well into a dishwasher) and my habit is to clean as I
go - as my meal is set on the table my entire kitchen is spotless. One
thing a dishwasher does a great job cleaning is the porcelainized
grates and drip pans of my gas stove, but still I often find I need to
wash some areas by hand afterwards. but it does remove the bulk of
cooked on crud and loosen the rest so it's easy to wash off by hand.

And dishwashers are not safe to use on fine porcelain and glassware,
not safe to use on highly polished flatware either... in a short time
they all become clouded from etching, dishwasher soap is much too harsh
for those items, they really need to be washed by hand. So for cheapo
everyday dishes a dishwasher is fine, if you generate enough that
you're not saving up dirty dishes for more than three days... then your
kitchen will stink like, um backed up septic (yoose thought I was gonna
say someone else, hehe).

Sheldon

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:32:53 -0600, Omelet
wrote:

In article ,
Serene wrote:

Heh. Usually, I have at least two jobs (I'm down to two right now),
and I cook three hot meals a day, almost every day. Right now, I've
got ginger cookies in the oven.

Heh.

The most jobs I ever held at one time was 4...

:-) Me, too


Mom was still alive back then tho' so she did most of the cooking etc.
She lived here with me until she died and I took care of _her_ the last
6 months of her life whens she became a total invalid. :-(

That's such hard, draining work. You're a good person.

Serene
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http://serenejournal.livejournal.com

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:34:26 -0600, Omelet
wrote:

In article ,
Serene wrote:

Yeah, I totally get everyone's reasons for liking them. They just
haven't worked out for me, and I find the actual task of washing
dishes to be almost meditative.

Ditto here.
I wash dishes usually twice per day (or more as needed) and it takes me
all of 5 minutes tops. I often use it to kill time when pans etc. are
heating.

When I'm cooking, I clean pots and utensils as I go so the kitchen is
clean when I'm done except for the dishes being used to serve the meal.

On a good day, same here. When I just don't feel like it, they may
sit overnight. I try not to let that happen too often, but it does
happen.

And my partners are perfectly willing to wash dishes for me. One of
them does it without being asked, and the other will do them if asked.
Either way, it's not like I'm doing all the dishes in the house all
the time, but since I don't mind doing them, I tend to do most of
them.

Serene
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http://serenejournal.livejournal.com

In article ,
Serene wrote:

Mom was still alive back then tho' so she did most of the cooking etc.
She lived here with me until she died and I took care of _her_ the last
6 months of her life whens she became a total invalid. :-(

That's such hard, draining work. You're a good person.

Serene

I miss her.
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In article ,
Serene wrote:

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 09:34:26 -0600, Omelet
wrote:

In article ,
Serene wrote:

Yeah, I totally get everyone's reasons for liking them. They just
haven't worked out for me, and I find the actual task of washing
dishes to be almost meditative.

Ditto here.
I wash dishes usually twice per day (or more as needed) and it takes me
all of 5 minutes tops. I often use it to kill time when pans etc. are
heating.

When I'm cooking, I clean pots and utensils as I go so the kitchen is
clean when I'm done except for the dishes being used to serve the meal.

On a good day, same here. When I just don't feel like it, they may
sit overnight. I try not to let that happen too often, but it does
happen.

Well, sometimes an overnight soak is a good thing depending on what you
cooked. Water, the universal solvent!


And my partners are perfectly willing to wash dishes for me. One of
them does it without being asked, and the other will do them if asked.
Either way, it's not like I'm doing all the dishes in the house all
the time, but since I don't mind doing them, I tend to do most of
them.

Serene

I discourage dad from doing dishes. Sometimes he does not see so well so
I have to re-soak and do some over.

I'd rather do them myself in the first place! G
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