On Nov 13, 5:49 pm, Lou Decruss wrote:

I'm starting a pool - I'm taking bets on how many messages this thread will
contain before it's over. It's a dollar a square. You want in?LOL.. I'll bet there are more inaccurate posts than factual.

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Cast Iron is clearly the food item with the most mythology on the net.
I wonder what the most mythology, total, is? Vaccinations, probably.

As far as I'm concerned, "Seasoning" is black crud. The black crud
that won't come off pots and pans. To understand the care of
seasoning, apply hard-won knowledge of black crud.

Greg Zywicki

In article om,
says...
As far as I'm concerned, "Seasoning" is black crud. The black crud
that won't come off pots and pans. To understand the care of
seasoning, apply hard-won knowledge of black crud.



Seasoning on cast iron is not black crud. Well, maybe it is on your pans
but not anyone else's! It's a result of polymerization of the oils under
heat, causing the molecules to link together and to the iron.

--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths pages at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

"Zywicki" wrote in message
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On Nov 13, 5:49 pm, Lou Decruss wrote:

I'm starting a pool - I'm taking bets on how many messages this thread
will
contain before it's over. It's a dollar a square. You want in?LOL..
I'll bet there are more inaccurate posts than factual.

Lou- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -

Cast Iron is clearly the food item with the most mythology on the net.
I wonder what the most mythology, total, is? Vaccinations, probably.

As far as I'm concerned, "Seasoning" is black crud. The black crud
that won't come off pots and pans. To understand the care of
seasoning, apply hard-won knowledge of black crud.

Greg Zywicki

I grew up in a home with southern traditions ie we fried everything in cast
iron. At 15 I started work in a hospital kitchen after school and summers
till I went to college. I could never understand the administators
insistance that we use literally tons of abrasives and other chemicals every
year to make those pots and pans shiny. If you get sick to your stomach in
the hospital it's because all the dishes, pots and pans are literally
scrubbed and rinsed in what amounts to Clorox bleach with abrasives added.

"Melba's Jammin'" wrote in message
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In article . com,
"Terry" wrote:

Would it be bad to put an iron skillet in the dishwasher during the
wash and take it out before the dry cycle?

I know you are supposed to dry these things on the stove.

Don't put it in the dishwasher - you'll destroy the seasoning you work
so diligently to attain.

Dishwasher!?
That energy hog?
That totem to sloth?
What in hell is wrong with washing dishes by hand?
It was a social function in my home when I was growing up.
Dad and I took turns washing or drying - mom cooked.
It was a continuing lesson in responsibility, politics and quality control..
"Dirty - reject" - this from the dryer.
My dad and I bonded over this 'chore' while my appreciative mother put her
feet up.
I would give anything to be able to wash dishes one more time with my dad!

Yours in nostalgia.
Ken.

Ken Davey wrote:
"Melba's Jammin'" wrote in message
...
In article . com,
"Terry" wrote:

Would it be bad to put an iron skillet in the dishwasher during the
wash and take it out before the dry cycle?

I know you are supposed to dry these things on the stove.

Don't put it in the dishwasher - you'll destroy the seasoning you
work so diligently to attain.

Dishwasher!?
That energy hog?
That totem to sloth?
What in hell is wrong with washing dishes by hand?
It was a social function in my home when I was growing up.
Dad and I took turns washing or drying - mom cooked.
It was a continuing lesson in responsibility, politics and quality
control.. "Dirty - reject" - this from the dryer.
My dad and I bonded over this 'chore' while my appreciative mother
put her feet up.
I would give anything to be able to wash dishes one more time with my
dad!

Yours in nostalgia.
Ken.

You can always come over to my house and help me with mine. :~)

kili
--
http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/kilikini

"kilikini" wrote in message
. ..
Ken Davey wrote:
"Melba's Jammin'" wrote in message
...
In article . com,
"Terry" wrote:

Would it be bad to put an iron skillet in the dishwasher during the
wash and take it out before the dry cycle?

I know you are supposed to dry these things on the stove.

Don't put it in the dishwasher - you'll destroy the seasoning you
work so diligently to attain.

Dishwasher!?
That energy hog?
That totem to sloth?
What in hell is wrong with washing dishes by hand?
It was a social function in my home when I was growing up.
Dad and I took turns washing or drying - mom cooked.
It was a continuing lesson in responsibility, politics and quality
control.. "Dirty - reject" - this from the dryer.
My dad and I bonded over this 'chore' while my appreciative mother
put her feet up.
I would give anything to be able to wash dishes one more time with my
dad!

Yours in nostalgia.
Ken.

You can always come over to my house and help me with mine. :~)

kili
--
http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/kilikini

I would if I could love.
As it is I am in Honduras recovering as best as I can from cancer treatment.
Good medicine this place.
Keep your sense of humour and your positive attitude and you will be OK.

Ken.

On Nov 14, 11:03 am, Peter A wrote:
In article om,
says...

As far as I'm concerned, "Seasoning" is black crud. The black crud
that won't come off pots and pans. To understand the care of
seasoning, apply hard-won knowledge of black crud.Seasoning on cast iron is not black crud.

Well, it is black and...
Well, maybe it is on your pans
but not anyone else's! It's a result of polymerization of the oils under
heat, causing the molecules to link together and to the iron.

The difference between "Heat induced polymerization of sterol
hydrocarbons" and "crud" is a four year science/engineering degree.

The primary difference between the coating on a cast iron skillet and
the black bits that refuse to let go of a lasagna pan is intent. There
are, of course, secondary differnces since cheese is not lard.

Greg Zywicki

"Zywicki" wrote in message
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On Nov 14, 11:03 am, Peter A wrote:
In article om,
says...

As far as I'm concerned, "Seasoning" is black crud. The black crud
that won't come off pots and pans. To understand the care of
seasoning, apply hard-won knowledge of black crud.Seasoning on cast
iron is not black crud.

Well, it is black and...
Well, maybe it is on your pans
but not anyone else's! It's a result of polymerization of the oils under
heat, causing the molecules to link together and to the iron.

The difference between "Heat induced polymerization of sterol
hydrocarbons" and "crud" is a four year science/engineering degree.

The primary difference between the coating on a cast iron skillet and
the black bits that refuse to let go of a lasagna pan is intent. There
are, of course, secondary differnces since cheese is not lard.

Greg Zywicki


Why does it matter, anyway? Seasoning works. A seasoned pan can be cleaned
between uses. What else is there, as criteria for the usefulness of a cast
iron pan?

Ken Davey wrote:
"kilikini" wrote in message
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Ken Davey wrote:
"Melba's Jammin'" wrote in message
...
In article . com,
"Terry" wrote:

I would give anything to be able to wash dishes one more time with
my dad!

Yours in nostalgia.
Ken.

You can always come over to my house and help me with mine. :~)


I would if I could love.
As it is I am in Honduras recovering as best as I can from cancer
treatment. Good medicine this place.
Keep your sense of humour and your positive attitude and you will be
OK.

Ken.

Best of luck to you as well, then, Ken. I didn't know you were in a similar
predicament as I.

kili
--
http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/kilikini

"kilikini" wrote in message
.. .
Ken Davey wrote:
"kilikini" wrote in message
. ..
Ken Davey wrote:
"Melba's Jammin'" wrote in message
...
In article . com,
"Terry" wrote:

I would give anything to be able to wash dishes one more time with
my dad!

Yours in nostalgia.
Ken.

You can always come over to my house and help me with mine. :~)


I would if I could love.
As it is I am in Honduras recovering as best as I can from cancer
treatment. Good medicine this place.
Keep your sense of humour and your positive attitude and you will be
OK.

Ken.

Best of luck to you as well, then, Ken. I didn't know you were in a
similar
predicament as I.

kili
--
http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/kilikini

Similar - yes.
The difference is I am engaged in climbing out of the pit while you are
beginning your dsecent.
Have faith in yourself and your medical team.
Remember: You will not be around to hear the worst news possible so relax..
You are about to join a club (cancer survivors) and it is full of pragmatic
and generous folk.
You WILL be a survivor! To think otherwise is to think the unthinkable!
Your friends (and loved ones) will divide themselves into two groups; those
who say "If there is anything I can do just ask" and those who will run
away, unable to face the reality of your condition.
Trust me on this.
Do not be too hard on the latter group. They too will eventually come to
your aid. It just takes time for them to absorb the truth and calm their own
fears.
I am with you all the way.
If you are having doubts or a bad day give me a shout
and I will, at the least, try to calm your fears.
Go forth bravely!
And it is not a sin to be scared shitless - I know - I have been there.

Love of the finest kind.
Ken.

"Ken Davey" wrote in message
...

"kilikini" wrote in message
.. .
Ken Davey wrote:
"kilikini" wrote in message
. ..
Ken Davey wrote:
"Melba's Jammin'" wrote in message
...
In article . com,
"Terry" wrote:

I would give anything to be able to wash dishes one more time with
my dad!

Yours in nostalgia.
Ken.

You can always come over to my house and help me with mine. :~)


I would if I could love.
As it is I am in Honduras recovering as best as I can from cancer
treatment. Good medicine this place.
Keep your sense of humour and your positive attitude and you will be
OK.

Ken.

Best of luck to you as well, then, Ken. I didn't know you were in a
similar
predicament as I.

kili
--
http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/kilikini

Similar - yes.
The difference is I am engaged in climbing out of the pit while you are
beginning your dsecent.
Have faith in yourself and your medical team.
Remember: You will not be around to hear the worst news possible so
relax..
You are about to join a club (cancer survivors) and it is full of
pragmatic and generous folk.
You WILL be a survivor! To think otherwise is to think the unthinkable!
Your friends (and loved ones) will divide themselves into two groups;
those who say "If there is anything I can do just ask" and those who will
run away, unable to face the reality of your condition.
Trust me on this.
Do not be too hard on the latter group. They too will eventually come to
your aid. It just takes time for them to absorb the truth and calm their
own fears.
I am with you all the way.
If you are having doubts or a bad day give me a shout
and I will, at the least, try to calm your fears.
Go forth bravely!
And it is not a sin to be scared shitless - I know - I have been there.

Love of the finest kind.
Ken.

Just to let you know - you don't need a 'bad day' to reach out to me.

Ken.

Wayne Boatwright wayneboatwright_at_gmail.com wrote in
28.19:

Oh pshaw, on Mon 13 Nov 2006 11:36:10a, Terry meant to
say...

Would it be bad to put an iron skillet in the dishwasher
during the wash and take it out before the dry cycle?

I know you are supposed to dry these things on the stove.

Yes, it would be very bad. Don't do it.

it's an easy way to get them cleaned up to reseason when you
buy a good one at the antique store...
i bought 2 somewhat rusty & very cruddy Griswald skillets
($5). after a week of off & on work with steel wool and Coke,
i just gave up & put them in the dishwasher on 'pots & pans'.
worked great. they're now seasoned & in use. i do prefer the
old smooth surfaces to the crappy bumpy new cast iron.

also worked with a dutch oven that smelled like cat pee....
lee
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if
there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson

skyhooks wrote in
:

I quickly clean my 8" cast iron skillet by heating to very
hot until it practically smokes, then put it under running
hot water and quickly scrub it with a wire brush (YMWV*
with this method & WARNING - beware of steam). Simple and
fast as that - a whole lot quicker than waiting for a
dishwasher cycle.

how hot is your running water? sounds like a good way to get a
thermal crack...
lee
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if
there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson

"Ken Davey" wrote in
:


"Melba's Jammin'" wrote in
message
...
In article
. com,
"Terry" wrote:

Would it be bad to put an iron skillet in the dishwasher
during the wash and take it out before the dry cycle?

I know you are supposed to dry these things on the stove.

Don't put it in the dishwasher - you'll destroy the
seasoning you work so diligently to attain.

Dishwasher!?
That energy hog?
That totem to sloth?
What in hell is wrong with washing dishes by hand?

the modern dishwasher uses less water than hand washing. it
*is* an energy hog if you use the heated dry function, but if
you do, then you can't add humidity to the house by air drying
(i have a hard time getting indoor humidity over 20% in
winter. i get a lot of nosebleeds)

It was a social function in my home when I was growing up.

loading the dishwasher & putting the dishes away are still
social functions here.

Dad and I took turns washing or drying - mom cooked.

drying dishes with a towel is unsanitary. when i didn't have a
dishwasher, i still left everything to air dry.

I would give anything to be able to wash dishes one more
time with my dad!

well, i'm sure my son will be nostalgic about loading the
dishwasher with us...
lee
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if
there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson

On Nov 14, 4:01 pm, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
The primary difference between the coating on a cast iron skillet and
the black bits that refuse to let go of a lasagna pan is intent. There
are, of course, secondary differnces since cheese is not lard.

Greg Zywicki

Why does it matter, anyway? Seasoning works. A seasoned pan can be cleaned
between uses. What else is there, as criteria for the usefulness of a cast
iron pan?

The only reason it matters is that there's so much mythology built
around cast iron seasoning. "Don't keep it in the same kitchen as dish
detergeant. Don't use it when sun-spots are out. Etc. Etc."

Most of us have experience with trying to get black crud off a pan. A
quick wipe with soap won't do. A prolonged physical or chemical attack
will. So, if you're worried about your seasoning, just avoid scrubbing
it or soaking it with a caustic or a powerful degreaser.

Greg Zywicki