Dave Smith wrote:
tert in seattle wrote:


A legalized minimum wage is nothing less than a legalized slavery
compromise... it's like, okay, we shouldn't make dem folks woik fer
free so we gonna make dem woik for peanuts... perfoming no different
from a buncha circus/zoo animals. A minimun wage is a Democrat
solution for keeping the peons from growing spines and boot straps

Well I have to say I've never seen that "argument" before.

That's because sane few intelligent people would express that
opinion. Minimum wage affects the most disenfranchised workers,
usually working for the worst types of employers.

From what I understand the US federal minimum has not been raised
for more than 10 years. The Senate rejected an increase, but
since that time they have given themselves a dozen raises
amounting to $28,000 per year. I am sure that there is a
perfectly good explanation for giving themselves raises that
total almost three times the annual salary of a minimum wage
worker.

The problem with federal minimum wage legislation is it doesn't override
state enacted minimum wage laws. In fact, most federal legislation doesn't
override state laws except in very specific instances. So, if you don't
live in a state which has enacted a higher minimum wage (it can't be lower
than federal) the minimum wage defaults *down* to the federal level. For
example, the minimum wage in Tennessee is lower than that of Arkansas
because TN doesn't have a minimum wage on the books. Last time I checked,
Arkansas' minimum wage was a couple of dollars higher than that of
Tennessee.

Jill

writes:
Dave Smith wrote:
tert in seattle wrote:


A legalized minimum wage is nothing less than a legalized slavery
compromise... it's like, okay, we shouldn't make dem folks woik fer
free so we gonna make dem woik for peanuts... perfoming no different
from a buncha circus/zoo animals. A minimun wage is a Democrat
solution for keeping the peons from growing spines and boot straps

Well I have to say I've never seen that "argument" before.

That's because sane few intelligent people would express that
opinion. Minimum wage affects the most disenfranchised workers,
usually working for the worst types of employers.

From what I understand the US federal minimum has not been raised
for more than 10 years. The Senate rejected an increase, but
since that time they have given themselves a dozen raises
amounting to $28,000 per year. I am sure that there is a
perfectly good explanation for giving themselves raises that
total almost three times the annual salary of a minimum wage
worker.

The problem with federal minimum wage legislation is it doesn't override
state enacted minimum wage laws. In fact, most federal legislation doesn't
override state laws except in very specific instances. So, if you don't
live in a state which has enacted a higher minimum wage (it can't be lower
than federal) the minimum wage defaults *down* to the federal level. For
example, the minimum wage in Tennessee is lower than that of Arkansas
because TN doesn't have a minimum wage on the books. Last time I checked,
Arkansas' minimum wage was a couple of dollars higher than that of
Tennessee.

What do you suppose the lowest wages would be in Tennessee if there were
no federal law?

Peter A wrote:
It's been so many years since we had election results worth celebrating.
What are you doing?


Well, that song "Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead" has been running through
my head all day. I cleaned my shotgun today too but in preparation to
shoot a little trap with my Democrat state representative. Fortunately,
in WA state Dems are just as apt to be armed as the right wing nut jobs
and the Party figured out long ago that gun control is a non-starter.
Perhaps if the Religious Right arm of the GOP had figured out that
banning abortion and suppressing gay rights was likewise a non-starter
in a part of the world where even liberals value individual rights and
liberty they wouldn't have gotten their ass kicked so bad. I look
forward to churches (all of them regardless) engaging in political
advocacy losing their tax exempt status.

JD

Andy wrote:
Wayne Boatwright said...


Oh pshaw, on Wed 08 Nov 2006 09:35:23a, Peter A meant to say...


It's been so many years since we had election results worth
celebrating. What are you doing?


Staying out of the way.



I went to the local diner after voting (as usual) and had the mile-high
stack-o-pancakes and the bottomless cup of coffee. De-caf.

A lot of political faces have changed in Pennsylvania. Even I crossed
party lines for the first time in ages.

THEY'RE ALL BUMS!!!!!!

Andy

True, they're all bums; the difference lies in whether they're *our*
bums or in the pocket of special interests.

JD

Peter A wrote:
In article ,
says...

W is holding a press conference as we speak and he just stated he's not
getting rid of Rumsfeld or Chaney.




He can't get rid of Cheney - he was elected.


Nixon and Agnew were elected and both of them were pretty much coerced
into resigning.

JD

Sheldon wrote:

A legalized minimum wage is nothing less than a legalized slavery
compromise... it's like, okay, we shouldn't make dem folks woik fer
free so we gonna make dem woik for peanuts... perfoming no different
from a buncha circus/zoo animals. A minimun wage is a Democrat
solution for keeping the peons from growing spines and boot straps



It's obviously worked on the congress; with all the pay raises, health
bennies and retirement perks they give themselves, there isn't a spine
to be found in the entire 536 of them.

JD

tert in seattle wrote:
writes:
Dave Smith wrote:
tert in seattle wrote:


A legalized minimum wage is nothing less than a legalized slavery
From what I understand the US federal minimum has not been raised
for more than 10 years. The Senate rejected an increase

The problem with federal minimum wage legislation is it doesn't
override state enacted minimum wage laws. In fact, most federal
legislation doesn't override state laws except in very specific
instances. So, if you don't live in a state which has enacted a
higher minimum wage (it can't be lower than federal) the minimum
wage defaults *down* to the federal level. For example, the minimum
wage in Tennessee is lower than that of Arkansas because TN doesn't
have a minimum wage on the books. Last time I checked, Arkansas'
minimum wage was a couple of dollars higher than that of Tennessee.

What do you suppose the lowest wages would be in Tennessee if there
were no federal law?

Slavery, were it still legal on some of the state books. As of right now,
Tennessee minimum wage is $5.15 per hour. I was wrong about Arkansas, it's
also $5.15/hour. I can't remember which neighboring state had it at
$7.15/hour.

Jill

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 16:35:23 GMT, Peter A
rummaged among random neurons and opined:


It's been so many years since we had election results worth celebrating.
What are you doing?

Trying to figure out how to wipe the smirk off my face. OTOH, the
Republikans may have screwed up in reverse. If the Dems can't figure
out how to fix twelve years of Republikan malfeasance and misfeasance
before the next election cycle, they're going to look like toothless
tigers. Unfair, to be sure, but the American voting public is a fickle
brat.

OB: Dinner party Saturday night included the following appetizer,
which always gets recipe requests:

@@@@@ Now You're Cooking! Export Format

Creamy Crabbies

appetizers

2 loaves white bread; Pepperidge Farm
; Thin Sliced
1 cup butter or margarine; melted
1/4 cup flour
1 1/2 cups milk
1 cup cheddar cheese; shredded
1 7 1/2 oz can crabmeat; drained and flaked
1 tablespoon green onion; minced
1 teaspoon lemon rind; grated
1 tablespoon lemon juice
2 tablespoons parsley; minced
1 teaspoon Worcestershire sauce
1 teaspoon prepared mustard
1/2 teaspoon salt
dash tab

Preheat oven to 450F. Cut circles from bread, about 2 3/4" round.
Brush rounds on both sides with butter and press into tiny muffin-pan
cups. Bake for 5 mins. or until golden brown.

Melt butter in a medium-sized saucepan. Stir in flour and cook until
bubbly, about 1 min. Stir in milk and continue to cook, stirring
constantly until thickened and bubbly. Stir in cheese until melted.
Add crabmeat and remaining ingredients. Fill toast cups with 1
tablespoon of the mixture.

May be frozen at this point.

Bake frozen cups in hot oven (400F) for 15 mins. or until piping hot.

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Contributor: Anne Hughes

Yield: 30 servings

Terry Pulliam Burd

"Most vigitaryans I iver see looked enough like their food to be
classed as cannybals."

Finley Peter Dunne (1900)

To reply, replace "spaminator" with "cox"

Terry Pulliam Burd wrote:
On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 16:35:23 GMT, Peter A
rummaged among random neurons and opined:

It's been so many years since we had election results worth celebrating.
What are you doing?

Trying to figure out how to wipe the smirk off my face. OTOH, the
Republikans may have screwed up in reverse. If the Dems can't figure
out how to fix twelve years of Republikan malfeasance and misfeasance
before the next election cycle, they're going to look like toothless
tigers. Unfair, to be sure, but the American voting public is a fickle
brat.

OB: Dinner party Saturday night included the following appetizer,
which always gets recipe requests:

@@@@@ Now You're Cooking! Export Format

Creamy Crabbies

appetizers

2 loaves white bread; Pepperidge Farm
; Thin Sliced
1 cup butter or margarine; melted
1/4 cup flour
1 1/2 cups milk
1 cup cheddar cheese; shredded
1 7 1/2 oz can crabmeat; drained and flaked
1 tablespoon green onion; minced
1 teaspoon lemon rind; grated
1 tablespoon lemon juice
2 tablespoons parsley; minced
1 teaspoon Worcestershire sauce
1 teaspoon prepared mustard
1/2 teaspoon salt
dash tab

Preheat oven to 450F. Cut circles from bread, about 2 3/4" round.
Brush rounds on both sides with butter and press into tiny muffin-pan
cups. Bake for 5 mins. or until golden brown.

Melt butter in a medium-sized saucepan. Stir in flour and cook until
bubbly, about 1 min. Stir in milk and continue to cook, stirring
constantly until thickened and bubbly. Stir in cheese until melted.
Add crabmeat and remaining ingredients. Fill toast cups with 1
tablespoon of the mixture.

May be frozen at this point.

Bake frozen cups in hot oven (400F) for 15 mins. or until piping hot.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Contributor: Anne Hughes

Yield: 30 servings



Does this recipe work with surimi? (Krab) Some work, most don't. Thanks.

I'm not gonna ask about making it with Cheeze.

Bob

On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 16:35:23 GMT, Peter A
wrote:


It's been so many years since we had election results worth celebrating.
What are you doing?


Looked at the results, said "It's about time" and went to work.



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On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 11:19:02 -0600, zxcvbob
wrote:

but Madame Speaker Pelosi scares me.

You're a sucker for attack ads in that case.... she's a drop in
octave and harshly said *liberal*! LOL

According to some pundit on a show I watched this morning... cnn, cnbc
- (I never know what I'm watching) someone said there are no real
liberals left in the US anymore. She's from a rich area of the US
(true) and she will move to the *political* center to be an effective
speaker of the house. IMO: She knows how to play the game of politics
and she'll go further.

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Peter A wrote:
It's been so many years since we had election results worth celebrating.
What are you doing?


Waiting for the election, it's not for another three weeks yet - I live
in the state of Victoria, you understand. I doubt that I'll be
celebrating, whatever happens. You know what they say, doesn't matter
who you vote for, a politician gets elected. ;-)

Christine

tert in seattle wrote:
writes:

Peter A wrote:

It's been so many years since we had election results worth celebrating.
What are you doing?


Cleaning my guns, stockpiling gunpowder and primers, and keeping a
somewhat low profile. ;-)

Actually, I am pleased with the election results (lesser of two evils,
plus now maybe we'll get some investigations into Republican
foolishness) -- but Madame Speaker Pelosi scares me.


"Ms Pelosi has said that her priorities as speaker will include minimum
wage legislation, the promotion of stem cell research and a push to
enact the recommendations of the September 11 Congressional report."

utterly terrifying


What intrigues me is something I learned from The West Wing (a most
educational show). The Speaker is third in line after the President and
Vice President, even if they're not from the same political party. Weird!

Christine

Peter A wrote:
It's been so many years since we had election results worth celebrating.
What are you doing?

Went to the store at 8:30 and spent $215.00 on stuff for a chili
cook-off! I am now getting ready to make 8 qts of vegetarian chili,
tomorrow will be two pot-fulls with meat (one Texas-style and the other
Midwestern-style) and then 48 cornbread muffins and 48
cinnamon/cranberry/orange muffins.

-L.

On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:32:31 +1100, Old Mother Ashby
wrote:

tert in seattle wrote:
writes:

Peter A wrote:

It's been so many years since we had election results worth celebrating.
What are you doing?


Cleaning my guns, stockpiling gunpowder and primers, and keeping a
somewhat low profile. ;-)

Actually, I am pleased with the election results (lesser of two evils,
plus now maybe we'll get some investigations into Republican
foolishness) -- but Madame Speaker Pelosi scares me.


"Ms Pelosi has said that her priorities as speaker will include minimum
wage legislation, the promotion of stem cell research and a push to
enact the recommendations of the September 11 Congressional report."

utterly terrifying


What intrigues me is something I learned from The West Wing (a most
educational show). The Speaker is third in line after the President and
Vice President, even if they're not from the same political party. Weird!

Christine

The Speaker of the House is an elected official. The Vice President
is the head of the Senate and can vote there to break ties. I don't
think that we want an appointed official in direct line for the
Presidency.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974