FBG 80. Had 1/4 of a low carb bagel with cream cheese. Net carbs 5 gms.
One hour PP BG 84. Next time, 1/2 bagel!

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"Nick Cramer" wrote in message
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FBG 80. Had 1/4 of a low carb bagel with cream cheese. Net carbs 5 gms.
One hour PP BG 84. Next time, 1/2 bagel!

Dang. Here I thought you were going to tell us a horror story about eating
a big honking bagel! I just threw out a package. We go to the bread outlet
to get some gluten and soy free beef jerky for Angela and also some honey
mustard and other non-bread things. I rarely buy bread in there. But they
give you free stuff depending on how much you buy. The free stuff is always
bread stuff and I usually qualify for 4 or 5 free things. Last time I could
have gotten 4 freebies. There were mainly bagels but also some sourdough
rolls and I think maybe some sweet rolls.

I have a friend who could use these things, but she's in another city and
the cost of gas for me to get them to her would be prohibitive. Otherwise,
I don't know of anyone who would use them. I took two packs of bagels
giving one to my parents and taking the other home, hoping my husband might
eat them before he went out of town. He didn't. Instead, he hoovered my
flax seed bread, leaving none for me. I went to the store to get some more,
but they were out of it. Grrr... There are only a few stores around here
that sell it and I was feeling really sick at the time and didn't feel up to
going elsewhere. So I got a loaf of sourdough. It's what I was eating
before I found the flax.

"Julie Bove" wrote:
"Nick Cramer" wrote in message

FBG 80. Had 1/4 of a low carb bagel with cream cheese. Net carbs 5 gms.
One hour PP BG 84. Next time, 1/2 bagel!

Dang. Here I thought you were going to tell us a horror story about
eating a big honking bagel! [ . . . ]I got a loaf of sourdough.
It's what I was eating before I found the flax.

I stretched that 1/4 bagel to four bites. Boo hoo! Someone on
rec.food.sourdough mentioned that sourdough is lower carb than regular
bread. Also, that whole grain dough makes the lowest net carb bread. Since
I'm thinking of getting back into making sourdough bread, I found that
interesting. More research needed.

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are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
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"Nick Cramer" wrote in message
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"Julie Bove" wrote:
"Nick Cramer" wrote in message

FBG 80. Had 1/4 of a low carb bagel with cream cheese. Net carbs 5 gms.
One hour PP BG 84. Next time, 1/2 bagel!

Dang. Here I thought you were going to tell us a horror story about
eating a big honking bagel! [ . . . ]I got a loaf of sourdough.
It's what I was eating before I found the flax.

I stretched that 1/4 bagel to four bites. Boo hoo! Someone on
rec.food.sourdough mentioned that sourdough is lower carb than regular
bread. Also, that whole grain dough makes the lowest net carb bread. Since
I'm thinking of getting back into making sourdough bread, I found that
interesting. More research needed.

When Angela was a toddler, I used to buy her the mini bagels. I would eat
one of those on a rare occasion. Never was much of a bagel lover though.

"Julie Bove" wrote:
"Nick Cramer" wrote in message
"Julie Bove" wrote:
"Nick Cramer" wrote in message

FBG 80. Had 1/4 of a low carb bagel with cream cheese. Net carbs 5
gms. One hour PP BG 84. Next time, 1/2 bagel!

Dang. Here I thought you were going to tell us a horror story about
eating a big honking bagel! [ . . . ]I got a loaf of sourdough.
It's what I was eating before I found the flax.

I stretched that 1/4 bagel to four bites. Boo hoo! Someone on
rec.food.sourdough mentioned that sourdough is lower carb than regular
bread. Also, that whole grain dough makes the lowest net carb bread.
Since I'm thinking of getting back into making sourdough bread, I found
that interesting. More research needed.

When Angela was a toddler, I used to buy her the mini bagels. I would
eat one of those on a rare occasion. Never was much of a bagel lover
though.

The best bagels were in NYC. Don't remember where. I had 1/2 bagel with
cream cheese and a slice of red onion about an hour ago (no tomato or lox
on hand). FBG was 78, one hour PP BG was 117. I guess red onions are sweet.
;-/

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are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
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"Nick Cramer" wrote in message
...
"Julie Bove" wrote:
"Nick Cramer" wrote in message
"Julie Bove" wrote:
"Nick Cramer" wrote in message

FBG 80. Had 1/4 of a low carb bagel with cream cheese. Net carbs 5
gms. One hour PP BG 84. Next time, 1/2 bagel!

Dang. Here I thought you were going to tell us a horror story about
eating a big honking bagel! [ . . . ]I got a loaf of sourdough.
It's what I was eating before I found the flax.

I stretched that 1/4 bagel to four bites. Boo hoo! Someone on
rec.food.sourdough mentioned that sourdough is lower carb than regular
bread. Also, that whole grain dough makes the lowest net carb bread.
Since I'm thinking of getting back into making sourdough bread, I found
that interesting. More research needed.

When Angela was a toddler, I used to buy her the mini bagels. I would
eat one of those on a rare occasion. Never was much of a bagel lover
though.

The best bagels were in NYC. Don't remember where. I had 1/2 bagel with
cream cheese and a slice of red onion about an hour ago (no tomato or lox
on hand). FBG was 78, one hour PP BG was 117. I guess red onions are
sweet.
;-/

I never had any bagels when we lived in NYC. The knishes were wonderful
though!

Was one of these yesterday and the other today? I am trying to figure out
how you could have 4-5 hours between FBG's The extra bg with half a
bagel might be from the bagel itself not the onions. 1/4 may be your limit
for remaining fairly static.

"Nick Cramer" wrote in message
...
"Julie Bove" wrote:
"Nick Cramer" wrote in message
"Julie Bove" wrote:
"Nick Cramer" wrote in message

FBG 80. Had 1/4 of a low carb bagel with cream cheese. Net carbs 5
gms. One hour PP BG 84. Next time, 1/2 bagel!

Dang. Here I thought you were going to tell us a horror story about
eating a big honking bagel! [ . . . ]I got a loaf of sourdough.
It's what I was eating before I found the flax.

I stretched that 1/4 bagel to four bites. Boo hoo! Someone on
rec.food.sourdough mentioned that sourdough is lower carb than regular
bread. Also, that whole grain dough makes the lowest net carb bread.
Since I'm thinking of getting back into making sourdough bread, I found
that interesting. More research needed.

When Angela was a toddler, I used to buy her the mini bagels. I would
eat one of those on a rare occasion. Never was much of a bagel lover
though.

The best bagels were in NYC. Don't remember where. I had 1/2 bagel with
cream cheese and a slice of red onion about an hour ago (no tomato or lox
on hand). FBG was 78, one hour PP BG was 117. I guess red onions are
sweet.
;-/

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War.
They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~

"Ozgirl" wrote:
Was one of these yesterday and the other today? I am trying to figure out
how you could have 4-5 hours between FBG's The extra bg with half a
bagel might be from the bagel itself not the onions. 1/4 may be your
limit for remaining fairly static.

Both today (now yesterday). First at 5:40 PM. Second at 10:20 PM. Oh, how I
wanted tomato & lox on them!

--
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I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~

On 08 May 2008 09:32:58 GMT, Nick Cramer
wrote:

"Ozgirl" wrote:
Was one of these yesterday and the other today? I am trying to figure out
how you could have 4-5 hours between FBG's The extra bg with half a
bagel might be from the bagel itself not the onions. 1/4 may be your
limit for remaining fairly static.

Both today (now yesterday). First at 5:40 PM. Second at 10:20 PM. Oh, how I
wanted tomato & lox on them!

Uh, Nick - you only get one fasting blood glucose per day, you need
12-13 hours between them : )

And what is a knish?!

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

Nicky wrote:
On 08 May 2008 09:32:58 GMT, Nick Cramer
"Ozgirl" wrote:
Was one of these yesterday and the other today? I am trying to figure
out how you could have 4-5 hours between FBG's The extra bg with
half a bagel might be from the bagel itself not the onions. 1/4 may be
your limit for remaining fairly static.

Both today (now yesterday). First at 5:40 PM. Second at 10:20 PM. Oh,
how I wanted tomato & lox on them!

Uh, Nick - you only get one fasting blood glucose per day, you need
12-13 hours between them : )

And what is a knish?!

You can be sooo bossy! I guess I should've called the second one 'before
dinner' or 'before bedtime snack'. But I'm still not in bed!

Think of a knish as a Jewish calzone or empanada. Close enough for folk
music. "Havana Gila!" ;-D

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I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
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"Nicky" wrote in message
...
On 08 May 2008 09:32:58 GMT, Nick Cramer
wrote:

"Ozgirl" wrote:
Was one of these yesterday and the other today? I am trying to figure
out
how you could have 4-5 hours between FBG's The extra bg with half a
bagel might be from the bagel itself not the onions. 1/4 may be your
limit for remaining fairly static.

Both today (now yesterday). First at 5:40 PM. Second at 10:20 PM. Oh, how
I
wanted tomato & lox on them!

Uh, Nick - you only get one fasting blood glucose per day, you need
12-13 hours between them : )

And what is a knish?!

A knish is Jewish food. They are filled with various things. Some are flat
and some are ball-like. I had the flat ones and they were filled with
cheese and potato and maybe some onion. Had some sort of crust-like coating
on them. Not good for diabetics at all.

"Nick Cramer" wrote in message
...
Nicky wrote:
On 08 May 2008 09:32:58 GMT, Nick Cramer
"Ozgirl" wrote:
Was one of these yesterday and the other today? I am trying to figure
out how you could have 4-5 hours between FBG's The extra bg with
half a bagel might be from the bagel itself not the onions. 1/4 may be
your limit for remaining fairly static.

Both today (now yesterday). First at 5:40 PM. Second at 10:20 PM. Oh,
how I wanted tomato & lox on them!

Uh, Nick - you only get one fasting blood glucose per day, you need
12-13 hours between them : )

And what is a knish?!

You can be sooo bossy! I guess I should've called the second one 'before
dinner' or 'before bedtime snack'. But I'm still not in bed!

lol. Yeah as Nicky said. FBG is the first of the day and taken when you
first step out of bed.

"Nick Cramer" wrote in message
...
"Ozgirl" wrote:
Was one of these yesterday and the other today? I am trying to figure out
how you could have 4-5 hours between FBG's The extra bg with half a
bagel might be from the bagel itself not the onions. 1/4 may be your
limit for remaining fairly static.

Both today (now yesterday). First at 5:40 PM. Second at 10:20 PM. Oh, how
I
wanted tomato & lox on them!

Then try it with tomato and lox. I'd be experimenting with all combos.
Seeing you had the second one at 10.20 pm, you might be messing with your
natural rhythm. In the early hours your bg may be rising naturally to help
you in the morning. I know that DP often occurs not long before waking time
but if I stay up past midnight I see mine rising from then. Your late meals
might just be screwing with nature.

"Ozgirl" wrote:
"Nick Cramer" wrote in message
Nicky wrote:
On 08 May 2008 09:32:58 GMT, Nick Cramer
"Ozgirl" wrote:
[ . . . ]
lol. Yeah as Nicky said. FBG is the first of the day and taken when you
first step out of bed.

OK. I'll try to see if I can be that functional before my first cuppa.

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are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
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"Ozgirl" wrote:
"Nick Cramer" wrote in message
...
"Ozgirl" wrote:
Was one of these yesterday and the other today? I am trying to figure
out how you could have 4-5 hours between FBG's The extra bg with
half a bagel might be from the bagel itself not the onions. 1/4 may be
your limit for remaining fairly static.

Both today (now yesterday). First at 5:40 PM. Second at 10:20 PM. Oh,
how I wanted tomato & lox on them!

Then try it with tomato and lox. I'd be experimenting with all combos.
Seeing you had the second one at 10.20 pm, you might be messing with your
natural rhythm. In the early hours your bg may be rising naturally to
help you in the morning. I know that DP often occurs not long before
waking time but if I stay up past midnight I see mine rising from then.
Your late meals might just be screwing with nature.

We didn't have any lox and I couldn't find the tomatoes. My natural rhythm
is to stay up 'til 4 or 5 AM and get up between noon and 2 PM.

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I've known US vets who served as far back as the Spanish American War. They
are all my heroes! Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops. You are not
forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~