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In alt.support.diabetes Frank t2 wrote:
: "W. Baker" a ?crit ... : In alt.support.diabetes jeremy wrote: : : W. Baker wrote: : : I also make my own jams in the summer using special pectins and sweetening : them when I open the jar with either aspertame or Splenda. I do this : because these jams taste much better. I make sugared jams fo rmy husband, : but i buy him bitter marmelade because I cannot get the Seville oranges : and they are a pain to make anyway. I am a retired person adn have the : time to do this. Others may well not be able to or can't afford the : frequently high price of eh fresh fruit and berries. In that case, the : Smuckers no sugar added jams can work. My philosophy in this area is to : not deny the nice foods , but to find a way to have them while maintaining : a controlled carb way of life. : : Wendy : Wendy, : How do you do this? I have Splenda and PLENTY of fruit in my garden, : but I have never made jams for me, since the high content of fruit sugars : has put me off doing it. : If there is a secret, I would LOVE to know, as I miss jams on my toa- : dooooh! : I can't have toast either ... : Frank The jams are not no-carb by any means, but are ever so much better than than the regular jams adn I can have a spoonful on a Wasa cracker as a treat once or twice a week. I generlly make berry jams, as that is what I can get fresh grown (and sometimes cheaper) near my country home in the summer. I get the special pectin fo rno sugar aded jams and jellies (made from strained fruit juice, rather than whole fruit smashed up) Two companies make little single use boxes here in the US, Ball and Mrs. Wages. I don't know if these or simmilar products are available in France, but the Ball company of Muncie Indiana should have a web site and you might be able to find out more fro them. 1 packet works with aobut 2 dry quarts of berries(straw, rasp,blue, black are the ones I get and makes about 4-6 8 ounce jars of jam(sometimes I use a bit more than the 2 qts and add a little water). I simply follow the directions on the box. You can make either freezer jam or regular sterilized jam that can sit on the pantry shelf(what I do) Very important! once you open this jam and add your 4-5 packets of Splenda YOU MUST KEP THE JAR REFRIGERATED. It molds rather quickly as there is no added sugar to keep down the microbes. Also, try to use a jar up in les that 2 weeks. If you like you could make it in smaller (4 oz) jars so you can help with this problem. I hope this helps. Wendy |
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On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:00:10 +0000 (UTC), W. Baker posted:
In alt.support.diabetes Frank t2 wrote: : "W. Baker" a ?crit ... : In alt.support.diabetes jeremy wrote: : : W. Baker wrote: : : I also make my own jams in the summer using special pectins and sweetening : them when I open the jar with either aspertame or Splenda. I do this : because these jams taste much better. I make sugared jams fo rmy husband, : but i buy him bitter marmelade because I cannot get the Seville oranges : and they are a pain to make anyway. I am a retired person adn have the : time to do this. Others may well not be able to or can't afford the : frequently high price of eh fresh fruit and berries. In that case, the : Smuckers no sugar added jams can work. My philosophy in this area is to : not deny the nice foods , but to find a way to have them while maintaining : a controlled carb way of life. : : Wendy : Wendy, : How do you do this? I have Splenda and PLENTY of fruit in my garden, : but I have never made jams for me, since the high content of fruit sugars : has put me off doing it. : If there is a secret, I would LOVE to know, as I miss jams on my toa- : dooooh! : I can't have toast either ... : Frank The jams are not no-carb by any means, but are ever so much better than than the regular jams adn I can have a spoonful on a Wasa cracker as a treat once or twice a week. I generlly make berry jams, as that is what I can get fresh grown (and sometimes cheaper) near my country home in the summer. I get the special pectin fo rno sugar aded jams and jellies (made from strained fruit juice, rather than whole fruit smashed up) Two companies make little single use boxes here in the US, Ball and Mrs. Wages. I don't know if these or simmilar products are available in France, but the Ball company of Muncie Indiana should have a web site and you might be able to find out more fro them. 1 packet works with aobut 2 dry quarts of berries(straw, rasp,blue, black are the ones I get and makes about 4-6 8 ounce jars of jam(sometimes I use a bit more than the 2 qts and add a little water). I simply follow the directions on the box. You can make either freezer jam or regular sterilized jam that can sit on the pantry shelf(what I do) Very important! once you open this jam and add your 4-5 packets of Splenda YOU MUST KEP THE JAR REFRIGERATED. It molds rather quickly as there is no added sugar to keep down the microbes. Also, try to use a jar up in les that 2 weeks. If you like you could make it in smaller (4 oz) jars so you can help with this problem. I hope this helps. One of my favourite "jams" is cranberry sauce (homemade, from fresh or frozen cranberries). We had about 1 cup of it left over from Christmas, and it lasted me almost three weeks. Next batch I make will be with Splenda. I doubt the Splenda will act quite the same as sugar, in preserving the product, but if I make small enough batches, that won't be a problem. -- Larry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 |
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"W. Baker" a écrit ... In alt.support.diabetes Frank t2 wrote: : "W. Baker" a ?crit ... : In alt.support.diabetes jeremy wrote: : : W. Baker wrote: : : I also make my own jams in the summer using special pectins and sweetening : them when I open the jar with either aspertame or Splenda. I do this : because these jams taste much better. I make sugared jams fo rmy husband, : but i buy him bitter marmelade because I cannot get the Seville oranges : and they are a pain to make anyway. I am a retired person adn have the : time to do this. Others may well not be able to or can't afford the : frequently high price of eh fresh fruit and berries. In that case, the : Smuckers no sugar added jams can work. My philosophy in this area is to : not deny the nice foods , but to find a way to have them while maintaining : a controlled carb way of life. : : Wendy : Wendy, : How do you do this? I have Splenda and PLENTY of fruit in my garden, : but I have never made jams for me, since the high content of fruit sugars : has put me off doing it. : If there is a secret, I would LOVE to know, as I miss jams on my toa- : dooooh! : I can't have toast either ... : Frank The jams are not no-carb by any means, but are ever so much better than than the regular jams adn I can have a spoonful on a Wasa cracker as a treat once or twice a week. I generlly make berry jams, as that is what I can get fresh grown (and sometimes cheaper) near my country home in the summer. I get the special pectin fo rno sugar aded jams and jellies (made from strained fruit juice, rather than whole fruit smashed up) Two companies make little single use boxes here in the US, Ball and Mrs. Wages. I don't know if these or simmilar products are available in France, but the Ball company of Muncie Indiana should have a web site and you might be able to find out more fro them. 1 packet works with aobut 2 dry quarts of berries(straw, rasp,blue, black are the ones I get and makes about 4-6 8 ounce jars of jam(sometimes I use a bit more than the 2 qts and add a little water). I simply follow the directions on the box. You can make either freezer jam or regular sterilized jam that can sit on the pantry shelf(what I do) Very important! once you open this jam and add your 4-5 packets of Splenda YOU MUST KEP THE JAR REFRIGERATED. It molds rather quickly as there is no added sugar to keep down the microbes. Also, try to use a jar up in les that 2 weeks. If you like you could make it in smaller (4 oz) jars so you can help with this problem. I hope this helps. Wendy Thx, Wendy. I always 'fridge my jams when the jar has been opened. |
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" Frank t2" wrote in message ... "W. Baker" a écrit ... In alt.support.diabetes Frank t2 wrote: : "W. Baker" a ?crit ... : In alt.support.diabetes jeremy wrote: : : W. Baker wrote: : : I also make my own jams in the summer using special pectins and sweetening : them when I open the jar with either aspertame or Splenda. I do this : because these jams taste much better. I make sugared jams fo rmy husband, : but i buy him bitter marmelade because I cannot get the Seville oranges : and they are a pain to make anyway. I am a retired person adn have the : time to do this. Others may well not be able to or can't afford the : frequently high price of eh fresh fruit and berries. In that case, the : Smuckers no sugar added jams can work. My philosophy in this area is to : not deny the nice foods , but to find a way to have them while maintaining : a controlled carb way of life. : : Wendy : Wendy, : How do you do this? I have Splenda and PLENTY of fruit in my garden, : but I have never made jams for me, since the high content of fruit sugars : has put me off doing it. : If there is a secret, I would LOVE to know, as I miss jams on my toa- : dooooh! : I can't have toast either ... : Frank The jams are not no-carb by any means, but are ever so much better than than the regular jams adn I can have a spoonful on a Wasa cracker as a treat once or twice a week. I generlly make berry jams, as that is what I can get fresh grown (and sometimes cheaper) near my country home in the summer. I get the special pectin fo rno sugar aded jams and jellies (made from strained fruit juice, rather than whole fruit smashed up) Two companies make little single use boxes here in the US, Ball and Mrs. Wages. I don't know if these or simmilar products are available in France, but the Ball company of Muncie Indiana should have a web site and you might be able to find out more fro them. 1 packet works with aobut 2 dry quarts of berries(straw, rasp,blue, black are the ones I get and makes about 4-6 8 ounce jars of jam(sometimes I use a bit more than the 2 qts and add a little water). I simply follow the directions on the box. You can make either freezer jam or regular sterilized jam that can sit on the pantry shelf(what I do) Very important! once you open this jam and add your 4-5 packets of Splenda YOU MUST KEP THE JAR REFRIGERATED. It molds rather quickly as there is no added sugar to keep down the microbes. Also, try to use a jar up in les that 2 weeks. If you like you could make it in smaller (4 oz) jars so you can help with this problem. I hope this helps. Wendy Thx, Wendy. I always 'fridge my jams when the jar has been opened. But do you ever jam your fridges? |
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In alt.support.diabetes Oleg Lego wrote:
: On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:00:10 +0000 (UTC), W. Baker posted: : In alt.support.diabetes Frank t2 wrote: : : : "W. Baker" a ?crit ... : : In alt.support.diabetes jeremy wrote: : : : W. Baker wrote: : : : : I also make my own jams in the summer using special pectins and sweetening : : them when I open the jar with either aspertame or Splenda. I do this : : because these jams taste much better. I make sugared jams fo rmy husband, : : but i buy him bitter marmelade because I cannot get the Seville oranges : : and they are a pain to make anyway. I am a retired person adn have the : : time to do this. Others may well not be able to or can't afford the : : frequently high price of eh fresh fruit and berries. In that case, the : : Smuckers no sugar added jams can work. My philosophy in this area is to : : not deny the nice foods , but to find a way to have them while maintaining : : a controlled carb way of life. : : : : Wendy : : : : Wendy, : : How do you do this? I have Splenda and PLENTY of fruit in my garden, : : but I have never made jams for me, since the high content of fruit sugars : : has put me off doing it. : : If there is a secret, I would LOVE to know, as I miss jams on my toa- : : dooooh! : : I can't have toast either ... : : : Frank : : The jams are not no-carb by any means, but are ever so much better than : than the regular jams adn I can have a spoonful on a Wasa cracker as a : treat once or twice a week. I generlly make berry jams, as that is what I : can get fresh grown (and sometimes cheaper) near my country home in the : summer. I get the special pectin fo rno sugar aded jams and jellies (made : from strained fruit juice, rather than whole fruit smashed up) Two : companies make little single use boxes here in the US, Ball and Mrs. : Wages. I don't know if these or simmilar products are available in : France, but the Ball company of Muncie Indiana should have a web site and : you might be able to find out more fro them. 1 packet works with aobut 2 : dry quarts of berries(straw, rasp,blue, black are the ones I get and makes : about 4-6 8 ounce jars of jam(sometimes I use a bit more than the 2 qts : and add a little water). I simply follow the directions on the box. You : can make either freezer jam or regular sterilized jam that can sit on the : pantry shelf(what I do) Very important! once you open this jam and add : your 4-5 packets of Splenda YOU MUST KEP THE JAR REFRIGERATED. It molds : rather quickly as there is no added sugar to keep down the microbes. : Also, try to use a jar up in les that 2 weeks. If you like you could make : it in smaller (4 oz) jars so you can help with this problem. : : I hope this helps. : One of my favourite "jams" is cranberry sauce (homemade, from fresh or : frozen cranberries). We had about 1 cup of it left over from : Christmas, and it lasted me almost three weeks. Next batch I make will : be with Splenda. I doubt the Splenda will act quite the same as sugar, : in preserving the product, but if I make small enough batches, that : won't be a problem. : -- : Larry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. : DX 24 Aug 07. D&E : Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin : Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 Make a regular batch and freeze it in small containers. You can use things like 8oz plastic tups from margarine or from that spread cheddar for example. Wendy |
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Oleg Lego wrote:
One of my favourite "jams" is cranberry sauce (homemade, from fresh or frozen cranberries). We had about 1 cup of it left over from Christmas, and it lasted me almost three weeks. Next batch I make will be with Splenda. I doubt the Splenda will act quite the same as sugar, in preserving the product, but if I make small enough batches, that won't be a problem. I regularly make cranberry sauce with Splenda. It keeps in the fridge for at least a month. Just strain the sauce after you cook it to make it more jam-like. Cranberries contain a natural thickener so it doesn't matter if you sweeten with sugar or Splenda. -- Janet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life |
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Jigs-n-fixtures wrote:
Does the nutrition data on the label of say Whole Grain Buckwheat Pancake Mix, indicate the date for the unprepared mix? Or, for the recipe if prepared according to the label? Not that it matters for the Pancakes, In USA, the answer to that question is usually somewhere on the same side of the package. But not always. Sometimes, http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/ can also help. -- Wes Groleau ----------- Curmudgeon's Complaints on Courtesy: http://www.onlinenetiquette.com/courtesy1.html (Not necessarily my opinion, but worth reading) |
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DarkSentinel wrote:
Mine sure did. It was one of those, smack myself in the forehead moments. Was like DUH, I SHOULD have known that. One of my faults before her was looking at the carbs say, but NOT paying attention to the serving size. Would say that stuff is ok, when in actuality, it wasn't. My diabetic coworker said he was trying to figure out why a product claimed to be "30% healthier!" They relabeled the same recipe with a 30% smaller serving size. -- Wes Groleau Trying to be happy is like trying to build a machine for which the only specification is that it should run noiselessly. -- unknown |
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"Ozgirl" a écrit ... " Frank t2" wrote ... "W. Baker" a écrit ... The jams are not no-carb by any means, but are ever so much better than than the regular jams adn I can have a spoonful on a Wasa cracker as a treat once or twice a week. I generlly make berry jams, as that is what I can get fresh grown (and sometimes cheaper) near my country home in the summer. I get the special pectin fo rno sugar aded jams and jellies (made from strained fruit juice, rather than whole fruit smashed up) Two companies make little single use boxes here in the US, Ball and Mrs. Wages. I don't know if these or simmilar products are available in France, but the Ball company of Muncie Indiana should have a web site and you might be able to find out more fro them. 1 packet works with aobut 2 dry quarts of berries(straw, rasp,blue, black are the ones I get and makes about 4-6 8 ounce jars of jam(sometimes I use a bit more than the 2 qts and add a little water). I simply follow the directions on the box. You can make either freezer jam or regular sterilized jam that can sit on the pantry shelf(what I do) Very important! once you open this jam and add your 4-5 packets of Splenda YOU MUST KEP THE JAR REFRIGERATED. It molds rather quickly as there is no added sugar to keep down the microbes. Also, try to use a jar up in les that 2 weeks. If you like you could make it in smaller (4 oz) jars so you can help with this problem. I hope this helps. Wendy Thx, Wendy. I always 'fridge my jams when the jar has been opened. But do you ever jam your fridges? Sadly, I do. )Our current fridge is jammed with too much ice in the freezer ... Unfortunately, there's till quite a bit of protein in there, so I can't yet defrost .... Ohh, for my pre-diabetes days .... |
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" Frank t2" wrote in message ... "Ozgirl" a écrit ... " Frank t2" wrote ... "W. Baker" a écrit ... The jams are not no-carb by any means, but are ever so much better than than the regular jams adn I can have a spoonful on a Wasa cracker as a treat once or twice a week. I generlly make berry jams, as that is what I can get fresh grown (and sometimes cheaper) near my country home in the summer. I get the special pectin fo rno sugar aded jams and jellies (made from strained fruit juice, rather than whole fruit smashed up) Two companies make little single use boxes here in the US, Ball and Mrs. Wages. I don't know if these or simmilar products are available in France, but the Ball company of Muncie Indiana should have a web site and you might be able to find out more fro them. 1 packet works with aobut 2 dry quarts of berries(straw, rasp,blue, black are the ones I get and makes about 4-6 8 ounce jars of jam(sometimes I use a bit more than the 2 qts and add a little water). I simply follow the directions on the box. You can make either freezer jam or regular sterilized jam that can sit on the pantry shelf(what I do) Very important! once you open this jam and add your 4-5 packets of Splenda YOU MUST KEP THE JAR REFRIGERATED. It molds rather quickly as there is no added sugar to keep down the microbes. Also, try to use a jar up in les that 2 weeks. If you like you could make it in smaller (4 oz) jars so you can help with this problem. I hope this helps. Wendy Thx, Wendy. I always 'fridge my jams when the jar has been opened. But do you ever jam your fridges? Sadly, I do. )Our current fridge is jammed with too much ice in the freezer ... Unfortunately, there's till quite a bit of protein in there, so I can't yet defrost .... Ohh, for my pre-diabetes days .... Thank goodness for frost free fridges |
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" Frank t2" wrote in message ... "Ozgirl" a écrit ... " Frank t2" wrote ... "W. Baker" a écrit ... The jams are not no-carb by any means, but are ever so much better than than the regular jams adn I can have a spoonful on a Wasa cracker as a treat once or twice a week. I generlly make berry jams, as that is what I can get fresh grown (and sometimes cheaper) near my country home in the summer. I get the special pectin fo rno sugar aded jams and jellies (made from strained fruit juice, rather than whole fruit smashed up) Two companies make little single use boxes here in the US, Ball and Mrs. Wages. I don't know if these or simmilar products are available in France, but the Ball company of Muncie Indiana should have a web site and you might be able to find out more fro them. 1 packet works with aobut 2 dry quarts of berries(straw, rasp,blue, black are the ones I get and makes about 4-6 8 ounce jars of jam(sometimes I use a bit more than the 2 qts and add a little water). I simply follow the directions on the box. You can make either freezer jam or regular sterilized jam that can sit on the pantry shelf(what I do) Very important! once you open this jam and add your 4-5 packets of Splenda YOU MUST KEP THE JAR REFRIGERATED. It molds rather quickly as there is no added sugar to keep down the microbes. Also, try to use a jar up in les that 2 weeks. If you like you could make it in smaller (4 oz) jars so you can help with this problem. I hope this helps. Wendy Thx, Wendy. I always 'fridge my jams when the jar has been opened. But do you ever jam your fridges? Sadly, I do. )Our current fridge is jammed with too much ice in the freezer ... Unfortunately, there's till quite a bit of protein in there, so I can't yet defrost .... Ohh, for my pre-diabetes days .... I had a styrofoam cooler I used whem I wanted to defrost my freezer. It kept the food frozen long enough. |
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In alt.support.diabetes Robert Miles wrote:
: " Frank t2" wrote in message : ... : Sadly, I do. ): Our current fridge is jammed with too much ice in the freezer ... : Unfortunately, there's till quite a bit of protein in there, so I can't : yet defrost .... : : : Ohh, for my pre-diabetes days .... : : : : I had a styrofoam cooler I used whem I wanted to defrost my freezer. : It kept the food frozen long enough. I just put the food all very close together on the kitchen counter with a thick pile of newspapers on to and I defrost using pots of hot water so the food is not out of the fridge very long. This works fo rme even in reletively warm weather.. Wendy |
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On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:47:54 +0000 (UTC), "W. Baker"
wrote: In alt.support.diabetes Robert Miles wrote: : " Frank t2" wrote in message : ... : Sadly, I do. ): Our current fridge is jammed with too much ice in the freezer ... : Unfortunately, there's till quite a bit of protein in there, so I can't : yet defrost .... : : : Ohh, for my pre-diabetes days .... : : : : I had a styrofoam cooler I used whem I wanted to defrost my freezer. : It kept the food frozen long enough. I just put the food all very close together on the kitchen counter with a thick pile of newspapers on to and I defrost using pots of hot water so the food is not out of the fridge very long. This works fo rme even in reletively warm weather.. Wendy A small fan blowing into the freezer compartment helps to speed up the defrosting. -- BettyB -- www.flamingo-code.com "I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road." - Stephen Hawking |
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W. Baker wrote:
In alt.support.diabetes Robert Miles wrote: : " Frank t2" wrote in message : ... : Sadly, I do. ): Our current fridge is jammed with too much ice in the freezer ... : Unfortunately, there's till quite a bit of protein in there, so I can't : yet defrost .... : : : Ohh, for my pre-diabetes days .... : : : : I had a styrofoam cooler I used whem I wanted to defrost my freezer. : It kept the food frozen long enough. I just put the food all very close together on the kitchen counter with a thick pile of newspapers on to and I defrost using pots of hot water so the food is not out of the fridge very long. This works fo rme even in reletively warm weather.. I have a very small freezer chest in the garage. It is not frost-free. I put the frozen food into a big cooler then hit the freezer with the hair dryer, held at least a foot from the walls. It melts the frost and what it doesn't melt it loosens so I can just pry it off with a butter knife. The chest is on wheels, so when the ice is gone, I wheel it to the outside and pull the convenient plug to drain the water. -- Janet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life |
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Oleg Lego wrote: On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 04:00:10 +0000 (UTC), W. Baker posted: In alt.support.diabetes Frank t2 wrote: : "W. Baker" a ?crit ... : In alt.support.diabetes jeremy wrote: : : W. Baker wrote: : : I also make my own jams in the summer using special pectins and sweetening : them when I open the jar with either aspertame or Splenda. I do this : because these jams taste much better. I make sugared jams fo rmy husband, : but i buy him bitter marmelade because I cannot get the Seville oranges : and they are a pain to make anyway. I am a retired person adn have the : time to do this. Others may well not be able to or can't afford the : frequently high price of eh fresh fruit and berries. In that case, the : Smuckers no sugar added jams can work. My philosophy in this area is to : not deny the nice foods , but to find a way to have them while maintaining : a controlled carb way of life. : : Wendy : Wendy, : How do you do this? I have Splenda and PLENTY of fruit in my garden, : but I have never made jams for me, since the high content of fruit sugars : has put me off doing it. : If there is a secret, I would LOVE to know, as I miss jams on my toa- : dooooh! : I can't have toast either ... : Frank The jams are not no-carb by any means, but are ever so much better than than the regular jams adn I can have a spoonful on a Wasa cracker as a treat once or twice a week. I generlly make berry jams, as that is what I can get fresh grown (and sometimes cheaper) near my country home in the summer. I get the special pectin fo rno sugar aded jams and jellies (made from strained fruit juice, rather than whole fruit smashed up) Two I hope this helps. One of my favourite "jams" is cranberry sauce (homemade, from fresh or frozen cranberries). We had about 1 cup of it left over from Christmas, and it lasted me almost three weeks. Next batch I make will be with Splenda. I doubt the Splenda will act quite the same as sugar, in preserving the product, but if I make small enough batches, that won't be a problem. Every Thanksgiving and Christmas, I make home-made cranberry sauce. The canned jelly crap is just for kids and grandkids. I very simply simmer the cranberries in the required amount of water ( on the package). I use orange zest for the orange flavor, without the carbs of the juice. I use Splenda, about 2/3 the amount of sugar called for. While it simmers I squish the cranberries against the side of the saucepan It is a big hit with company, and they have no idea, it is "healthy". Gillian |