"rk" wrote in message
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"Helen Back" wrote in message
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| Chocolate is less greasy in the pocket than bacon and eggs! :P

I pity the fool who would attempt to treat a hypo with bacon
and eggs.. pure protein wouldn't help in any form of hypo condition.

Joking or not, a new diabetic and never reading here prior wouldn't
know the difference and if they followed that advice could cause them
perhaps death! You also don't bother to state this info is for a T1 or T2.
Because you don't bother with a sigline.

I think I'll save myself further stress.. OUT

rk, t1



Cheer up! It may never happen......

"Màck©®" wrote in message
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On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:26:17 -0500, "rk" wrote:


"Helen Back" wrote in message
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| Chocolate is less greasy in the pocket than bacon and eggs! :P

I pity the fool who would attempt to treat a hypo with bacon
and eggs.. pure protein wouldn't help in any form of hypo condition.

Joking or not, a new diabetic and never reading here prior wouldn't
know the difference and if they followed that advice could cause them
perhaps death! You also don't bother to state this info is for a T1 or T2.
Because you don't bother with a sigline.

I think I'll save myself further stress.. OUT

rk, t1


anyone who was reading longer than a day would know that Helen was a
type 2. they would also know that she didn't say a hypo should be
treated with bacon and eggs. however. A mild type 2 hypo could
easily be treated with bacon, eggs, and a little juice and or a
biscuit. Amazingly enough even a mild type 1 hypo can be treated in
the same manner.

Thank you, Mack. I didnt explain myself to rk for the simple reason being
that my "bacon and eggs in the pocket" comment was a joke (hence the :P) -
and the fact that rk ended with a dismissive "OUT". Why should I waste my
typing on someone who implied they will not be reading and or responding to
this thread?

If people arent willing to accept that some of us need to joke around
occasionally with little glib statements to stop ourselves from going
insane, then so be it. I am reeling after yet another person close to me
having died from diabetic complications - I give myself humour; its the only
way I can get through the day.

All I know is, since dx and with fantastic help from many of you here, my bg
has rarely gone above 7.0 (127.8), my A1c was 6.6 on my first check up (not
bad considering I am only 4 months in), I've lost over 2 stone in weight
(28lbs), I rarely feel that awful tiredness I used to have, I rarely get
tetchy and moody like I used to and I dont get my hypo's where I used to
retch or vomit and walk sideways walking down the street.

I'm doing something right and if my little humourous titterings bother some
people then thats their problem.

I suggest that people make note of little messages like :P and also give
people reading our posts some credit for knowing the difference between a
one off witty remark and all the other highly informative advice that can
be found here.

Put it this way, if someone wanted to know how I have managed and kept under
control my diabetes in just 4 months, I will gladly tell them so but dont be
surprised to find a bit of humour thrown in for good luck.

Thanks again.

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:13:34 GMT, "Helen Back"
wrote:

All I know is, since dx and with fantastic help from many of you here, my bg
has rarely gone above 7.0 (127.8), my A1c was 6.6 on my first check up (not
bad considering I am only 4 months in), I've lost over 2 stone in weight
(28lbs), I rarely feel that awful tiredness I used to have, I rarely get
tetchy and moody like I used to and I dont get my hypo's where I used to
retch or vomit and walk sideways walking down the street.

You're doing great. Don't let anyone bother you.

And if it's any consolation, I spent several minutes working out how,
if you wanted to, you could port eggs and bacon - just as a
hypothetical exercise :P

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.6% BMI 25

On Jan 3, 8:26*am, "rk" wrote:


Joking or not, a new diabetic and never reading here prior wouldn't
know the difference and if they followed that advice could cause them
perhaps death! You also don't bother to state this info is for a T1 or T2.
Because you don't bother with a sigline.

I think I'll save myself further stress.. OUT

rk, t1

Oh, for Chrissakes...I know you live to pick fights here, but let's at
least try not to be laughable.

John C.

"rk" wrote in message
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"Helen Back" wrote in message
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| Chocolate is less greasy in the pocket than bacon and eggs! :P

I pity the fool who would attempt to treat a hypo with bacon
and eggs.. pure protein wouldn't help in any form of hypo condition.

Speak for yourself. Different people have different reactions to food and
different reasons for going hypo. A person on insulin for example would be
foolish NOT to use a fat-free fast sugar. A person would also be foolish in
my opinion to not test every 5 minutes when an insulin user. Highly sweet
liquids can and do produce a result by the 5 minute mark.

Joking or not, a new diabetic and never reading here prior wouldn't
know the difference and if they followed that advice could cause them
perhaps death! You also don't bother to state this info is for a T1 or T2.

You could say the same when you use an all encompassing piece of advice
about the foolishness of using something with fat.

I think I'll save myself further stress.. OUT

Yes.

--
Don't worry about the world ending today.
... It's already tomorrow in Australia. Unless
you're in Australia... (then start worrying).

"Helen Back" wrote in message
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"Màck©®" wrote in message
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On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:26:17 -0500, "rk" wrote:


"Helen Back" wrote in message
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|
|
| Chocolate is less greasy in the pocket than bacon and eggs! :P

I pity the fool who would attempt to treat a hypo with bacon
and eggs.. pure protein wouldn't help in any form of hypo condition.

Joking or not, a new diabetic and never reading here prior wouldn't
know the difference and if they followed that advice could cause them
perhaps death! You also don't bother to state this info is for a T1 or
T2.
Because you don't bother with a sigline.

I think I'll save myself further stress.. OUT

rk, t1


anyone who was reading longer than a day would know that Helen was a
type 2. they would also know that she didn't say a hypo should be
treated with bacon and eggs. however. A mild type 2 hypo could
easily be treated with bacon, eggs, and a little juice and or a
biscuit. Amazingly enough even a mild type 1 hypo can be treated in
the same manner.

Thank you, Mack. I didnt explain myself to rk for the simple reason
being that my "bacon and eggs in the pocket" comment was a joke (hence the
:P) - and the fact that rk ended with a dismissive "OUT".

Yes, it very obviously was a joke but for some type 2's, including myself,
ANY food can bring me out of a hypo. Even mostly protein.

On Jan 3, 7:17�am, M�ck�� wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:50:10 -0800 (PST), Kurt





wrote:

Chocolate is not a good way to treat a hypo for Type 1's or Type 2's.
You said it best, Reisa. �Here is what the ADA says about treating a
hypo for Type 2's:

http://www.diabetes.org/type-2-diabe...poglycemia.jsp

(excerpt)

How do you treat hypoglycemia?

The quickest way to raise your blood glucose and treat hypoglycemia is
with some form of sugar, such as 3 glucose tablets (you can buy these
at the drug store), 1/2 cup of fruit juice, or 5-6 pieces of hard
candy.

again, kurt who once pretended to be a type 2 in order to troll the
group, is intentionally taking a specific situation out of context.

Yes, I did that in one post 5 years ago. And I also apologized for
that. That's the difference between you and me, Mack. You never
apologize for your errors in this newsgroup, There have been many
times when you have been wrong, but refuse to ever acknowlege it.
Maybe you just don't know the difference between right or wrong, or
maybe you do and don't have a conscience about it. People like you
who choose to not archive their posts are usually covering up a lot of
past sins.

not all type 2s treating a hypo want "the quickest" response when
treating a hypo. �Nor do they want something that will burn off
quickly.

Any advice on treating a hypo should be given by a professional who
knows the exact needs of the diabetic. Since some here keep changing
their personal take on what constitutes a hypo and how to treat
it...for a long time most agreed, including yourself, that chocolate
is a terrible way to treat a hypo, any hypo. The advice now changes
because Reisa states it and she is not part of the mob mentality that
rules here. Now all of a sudden even protein is fine to treat a
hypo. BS, if that treats a hypo then it's not a hypo to begin with.
You even had to add "juice and biscuit" to the bacon and eggs "joke"
in order to side with your buddies.

As short a time as RK has been a type 1 these mistakes are
understandable, but as long as you have been type 1 and you still
don't know the differences between type 1 and 2 hypos

Where's your degree on this issue, Dr. Mack? I do recognize everyone
is different, but I don't care what type you are, if your blood sugar
goes low enough to cause a hypoglycemic episode then it should not be
treated with chocolate. Too slow to bring the number back up in a
safe range. But I would encourage anyone, other than the geniuses in
here who think they know more than doctors, to consult with their
doctor about how they should treat a hypo if they have one. None of
here are experts, but unfortunately only a few of us seem to realize
that.

Kurt

"Kurt" wrote in message

Any advice on treating a hypo should be given by a professional who knows
the exact needs of the diabetic.

---------------------------

Exactly, which Reisa is not. The safest "advice" if anyone is giving advice
would be to say use a fast acting sugar without fat if not differentiating
between types.

---------------------------

K: Since some here keep changing their personal take on what constitutes a
hypo and how to treat it...for a long time most agreed, including yourself,
that chocolate is a terrible way to treat a hypo, any hypo.

----------------------------

Chocolate is not advised but it certainly works for some people so it should
not come under an "absolute" as Reisa has done. If a type 2 on no meds or
insulin is able to treat a hypo with chocolate then they personally are not
"foolish".

--------------------------------------------------

K; The advice now changes because Reisa states it and she is not part of the
mob mentality that rules here.

-------------------------------
No, Reisa made a blanket statement and stated if one did otherwise they were
foolish..

---------------------------------------

K: Now all of a sudden even protein is fine to treat a
hypo.

-----------------------------------------------

I repeat, eating ANY food can work for me personally, not you or maybe the
next person. In fact sometimes a type 2 using sugar as a fast remedy ends up
rollercoasting back and forth for days because of the nature of "our" beast.
As a type 2 that is my experience and I am free to share my experiences. I
don't advise anyone to follow my ways but I used the example because of
Reisa's absolute comment. Everything is not always black and white.
-------------------------------------------

K: BS, if that treats a hypo then it's not a hypo to begin with.

----------------------------------------------

I would call a 2.6 hypo, wouldn't you?

-------------------------------------

K: Where's your degree on this issue, Dr. Mack? I do recognize everyone is
different, but I don't care what type you are, if your blood sugar goes low
enough to cause a hypoglycemic episode then it should not betreated with
chocolate. Too slow to bring the number back up in a safe range.

----------------------------------

Mack never mentioned he uses chocolate as a hypo remedy nor does he say he
recommends it for others. He is merely pointing out there are differences,
as you say, between individuals and types and it is not Reisa's business to
call people foolish for not treating a hypo in the way she does and needs
to. Not everyone needs to treat a hypo with glucose. I can comfortably say
that without meds or insulin I will not go unconscious and that although
uncomfortable, I can pull out of a hypo in a number of different ways.You
are reading things into what people here are saying.

"Ozgirl" wrote in message
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"Kurt" wrote in message

Any advice on treating a hypo should be given by a professional who knows
the exact needs of the diabetic.

---------------------------

Exactly, which Reisa is not. The safest "advice" if anyone is giving
advice would be to say use a fast acting sugar without fat if not
differentiating between types.

---------------------------

K: Since some here keep changing their personal take on what constitutes a
hypo and how to treat it...for a long time most agreed, including
yourself, that chocolate is a terrible way to treat a hypo, any hypo.

----------------------------

Chocolate is not advised but it certainly works for some people so it
should not come under an "absolute" as Reisa has done. If a type 2 on no
meds or insulin is able to treat a hypo with chocolate then they
personally are not "foolish".

--------------------------------------------------

K; The advice now changes because Reisa states it and she is not part of
the mob mentality that rules here.

-------------------------------
No, Reisa made a blanket statement and stated if one did otherwise they
were foolish..

---------------------------------------

K: Now all of a sudden even protein is fine to treat a
hypo.

-----------------------------------------------

I repeat, eating ANY food can work for me personally, not you or maybe the
next person. In fact sometimes a type 2 using sugar as a fast remedy ends
up rollercoasting back and forth for days because of the nature of "our"
beast. As a type 2 that is my experience and I am free to share my
experiences. I don't advise anyone to follow my ways but I used the
example because of Reisa's absolute comment. Everything is not always
black and white.
-------------------------------------------

K: BS, if that treats a hypo then it's not a hypo to begin with.

----------------------------------------------

I would call a 2.6 hypo, wouldn't you?

-------------------------------------

K: Where's your degree on this issue, Dr. Mack? I do recognize everyone is
different, but I don't care what type you are, if your blood sugar goes
low enough to cause a hypoglycemic episode then it should not betreated
with chocolate. Too slow to bring the number back up in a safe range.

----------------------------------

Mack never mentioned he uses chocolate as a hypo remedy nor does he say he
recommends it for others. He is merely pointing out there are differences,
as you say, between individuals and types and it is not Reisa's business
to call people foolish for not treating a hypo in the way she does and
needs to. Not everyone needs to treat a hypo with glucose. I can
comfortably say that without meds or insulin I will not go unconscious and
that although uncomfortable, I can pull out of a hypo in a number of
different ways.You are reading things into what people here are saying.

I once used a piece of whole wheat bread to bring myself out of a hypo. I
was visiting an aunt's house. She's a real health food nut and had no form
of sugar in the house whatever. I don't exactly LIKE whole wheat bread, but
it worked.

I have personally used chocolate to treat hypos. I wouldn't now, given my
food allergies. And I agree it's not the most fast acting thing. But back
when I was hyperthyroid, I kept having near constant hypos. I ate a lot of
chocolate in those days and lot of nuts!

As a type two if i use pure sugar as in candy to treat a hypo or even just a
low to where i feel bad..which to me is as important..
I would go on a rollor coaster ride of highs and lows that is zero fun.
The solution for me if im begining one is to eat something that stabalises
me from falling more and going way up abve my baseline.
For me the answer is usually nuts or a peanutbutter sandwhich..anything with
a good carg/fat/protien mix to treat the low and sustain me after.

KROM

"Julie Bove" wrote
I once used a piece of whole wheat bread to bring myself out of a hypo.
I was visiting an aunt's house. She's a real health food nut and had no
form of sugar in the house whatever. I don't exactly LIKE whole wheat
bread, but it worked.

I have personally used chocolate to treat hypos. I wouldn't now, given my
food allergies. And I agree it's not the most fast acting thing. But
back when I was hyperthyroid, I kept having near constant hypos. I ate a
lot of chocolate in those days and lot of nuts!

"Nicky" wrote in message
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On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 16:13:34 GMT, "Helen Back"
wrote:

All I know is, since dx and with fantastic help from many of you here, my
bg
has rarely gone above 7.0 (127.8), my A1c was 6.6 on my first check up
(not
bad considering I am only 4 months in), I've lost over 2 stone in weight
(28lbs), I rarely feel that awful tiredness I used to have, I rarely get
tetchy and moody like I used to and I dont get my hypo's where I used to
retch or vomit and walk sideways walking down the street.

You're doing great. Don't let anyone bother you.

And if it's any consolation, I spent several minutes working out how,
if you wanted to, you could port eggs and bacon - just as a
hypothetical exercise :P


OCK! You are *such* a cad, girl!!! )))))

"Ozgirl" wrote in message
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"Helen Back" wrote in message
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"Màck©®" wrote in message
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On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 08:26:17 -0500, "rk" wrote:


"Helen Back" wrote in message
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| Chocolate is less greasy in the pocket than bacon and eggs! :P

I pity the fool who would attempt to treat a hypo with bacon
and eggs.. pure protein wouldn't help in any form of hypo condition.

Joking or not, a new diabetic and never reading here prior wouldn't
know the difference and if they followed that advice could cause them
perhaps death! You also don't bother to state this info is for a T1 or
T2.
Because you don't bother with a sigline.

I think I'll save myself further stress.. OUT

rk, t1


anyone who was reading longer than a day would know that Helen was a
type 2. they would also know that she didn't say a hypo should be
treated with bacon and eggs. however. A mild type 2 hypo could
easily be treated with bacon, eggs, and a little juice and or a
biscuit. Amazingly enough even a mild type 1 hypo can be treated in
the same manner.

Thank you, Mack. I didnt explain myself to rk for the simple reason
being that my "bacon and eggs in the pocket" comment was a joke (hence
the :P) - and the fact that rk ended with a dismissive "OUT".

Yes, it very obviously was a joke but for some type 2's, including myself,
ANY food can bring me out of a hypo. Even mostly protein.

That's how I stop getting low bg crashes by eating a protein enriched
breakfast - it allows me to last a few hours as opposed to a couple.
Especially if I decide, on a whim, to go for long walks in the middle of
nowhere. Wales is full of large expanses of green hills and mountains (with
the odd castle on top!).

I will normally eat 1 rasher of bacon, 2 poached eggs and a couple of
mushrooms with a slice of linseed/soya toast - followed by a handful of
raspberries and yoghurt.

That one morning I dare to speak of again, I didnt allow myself time to eat
properly - it was a slice of bread and a pear, I think. And, of course, a
brisk walk on a steep hill caused me to plunge. My bg was 3.8 (68.4) - and
how I managed to prick my finger, considering how bad my hands were shaking,
I do not know!

Before the days of dx, anything sugary (mainly mars bars, snickers,
whatever) that I took when I felt *ill* would make me feel even sicker. So,
I would crash into a bakery and buy myself a sandwich or a meat pasty of
some kind and that would help immensely. But its only since dx that I find
dark choc of the 70%+ variety that brings me up in a comfortable way.

I'm still learning about the complex and technical way in which we have to
learn about the do's and dont's of diabetes and I have read that sugar IS
the worst thing one can eat to bring bg up - but I simply find the lower
sugar content of a dark choc bar enough to bring me out of the crash of low
bg.

It is about individuals chosen method of recuperation and its also about a
person knowing their own body and its reactions to certain situations.
And it is different for everyone.

Of course, the most obvious moral of the story (for me) is: eat a proper
breakfast before engaging in any high impact, cardiovascular exercise.

(Those ancient castles sure are pretty close up!!) )))

Thanks for all the good discussion. If I can remember, I will take
with me the stuff I use on long bicycle rides, hiking in NH or skiing
in winter - it's "GU" and comes in foil packets. It's sort of like
frosting in consistency and has about 100 calories with carbs etc.
Because of it's form, it gets into you quickly. Not sure if the
diabetic community has discovered this as a possibility. It is sold at
bike shops and outdoor sports stores. Normally when I am dragging it
gets me goi8ng in about 10 minutes.
Happy New Year - Trekman

In alt.support.diabetes krom wrote:

"Julie Bove" wrote
I once used a piece of whole wheat bread to bring myself out of a hypo.
I was visiting an aunt's house. She's a real health food nut and had no
form of sugar in the house whatever. I don't exactly LIKE whole wheat
bread, but it worked.

I have personally used chocolate to treat hypos. I wouldn't now, given my
food allergies. And I agree it's not the most fast acting thing. But
back when I was hyperthyroid, I kept having near constant hypos. I ate a
lot of chocolate in those days and lot of nuts!

As a type two if i use pure sugar as in candy to treat a hypo or even just a
low to where i feel bad..which to me is as important..
I would go on a rollor coaster ride of highs and lows that is zero fun.
The solution for me if im begining one is to eat something that stabalises
me from falling more and going way up abve my baseline.
For me the answer is usually nuts or a peanutbutter sandwhich..anything with
a good carg/fat/protien mix to treat the low and sustain me after.

Exactly. The danger of getting onto a reactive hypoglycemia roller
coaster is a real danger for non-insulin using T2 who still have good
second phase insulin responses left, and one that doesn't exist for
insulin users. Whereas insulin users have to avoid the risk of serious
medical emergency lows, a danger that doesn't exist for many
non-insulin using T2s. Quite different dangers, with quite different
appropriate remedies to avoid them.

Any generic advice about hypos which doesn't differentiate between
these two quite different kinds of hypo condition is crudely and
dangerously over-simplified. Kurt's long quotation of the ADA advice
was a good example of that kind of crude over-simplification.

--
Chris Malcolm DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

"Kurt" wrote in message
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On Jan 3, 7:17?am, M?ck?? wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 20:50:10 -0800 (PST), Kurt

But I would encourage anyone, other than the geniuses in
here who think they know more than doctors, to consult with their
doctor about how they should treat a hypo if they have one.

Exactly why I ask you in another thread what you would do IF you didnt have
a doctor or professional trained in diabetes.

There is so much conflicting documentation strewn everywhere (from books,
websites, articles, etc) - my diabetes nurse gasped at my simple statement
that I dont eat white basmatic rice because it makes my bg spike. She
retorted, quite indignantly, "Well, I cant see how that could happen, it has
one of the lowest glycaemic levels"!!

She takes and gives all her information from the Diabetes UK organisation
and promptly passed me onto another doctor after I informed her that I have
cut my intake of starchy foods (potatoes, bread etc). She ignored me
completely when, in answer to her comment about changing from white
(refined) bread to wholemeal, I added that I dont eat wholemeal as alot of
wholemeal breads are also processed, altho it looks healthily brown. I'll
stick to my 4 slices of Burgen linseed and soya bread!

Who do we believe, who do we take our advice from if there is so much
conflicting information?