Hi folk,

I have been using a Pur dispenser for a while - but now since I broke
it have decided that rather invest in a new one, it was time to
install a "real" carbon based faucet filter.

I am not interested in the ones that mount on the faucet and are in
the way - and likely will constantly get things splashed up on them.

I want a high quality carbon based filter (under-sink) that will
remove traditional contaminants (chlorine and lead), but also the more
uncomon ones that while they may not be detectable today... They
could still be in the water. (Mercury, Aresenic, MTBE, etc...)
Before anyone asks - I have reviewed my city water report. While
those ND contaminants are not reported - it still concerns me that
they are there at very low levels, or can be leached from pipes
(mercury perhaps?) or might slowly creep up to detectable levels over
the next few years.

I am concerned that moving from a Pur dispenser - which does filter
out arsenic (most likely due to long contact time with the water) to a
higher water pressure carbon based system, which would let those
contaminants pass through easily. (I do not want to go RO because it
does remove some important things - Magnesium and Calcium, as well as
Fluoride... But let's not even start a fluoridation debate )

Multi-Pure filters claim to filter out contaminants that no other
filter seems to. And NSF.org seems to back them up.
(http://www.nsf.org/Certified/DWTU/Listings.asp?Company=32730&Standard=053)

I do not mind spending a little more money on a Multi-Pure product
over a competitor like Omni or Aqua Pure.... If I was 100% certain
that it was a real quality product. The fact they are an MLM concerns
me greatly.

Can I get some unbiased comments?

Thanks,

Dirk

"Dirk" wrote in message
...
Hi folk,

I have been using a Pur dispenser for a while - but now since I broke
it have decided that rather invest in a new one, it was time to
install a "real" carbon based faucet filter.

I am not interested in the ones that mount on the faucet and are in
the way - and likely will constantly get things splashed up on them.

I want a high quality carbon based filter (under-sink) that will
remove traditional contaminants (chlorine and lead), but also the more
uncomon ones that while they may not be detectable today... They
could still be in the water. (Mercury, Aresenic, MTBE, etc...)
Before anyone asks - I have reviewed my city water report. While
those ND contaminants are not reported - it still concerns me that
they are there at very low levels, or can be leached from pipes
(mercury perhaps?) or might slowly creep up to detectable levels over
the next few years.

I am concerned that moving from a Pur dispenser - which does filter
out arsenic (most likely due to long contact time with the water) to a
higher water pressure carbon based system, which would let those
contaminants pass through easily. (I do not want to go RO because it
does remove some important things - Magnesium and Calcium, as well as
Fluoride... But let's not even start a fluoridation debate )

Multi-Pure filters claim to filter out contaminants that no other
filter seems to. And NSF.org seems to back them up.

(http://www.nsf.org/Certified/DWTU/Listings.asp?Company=32730&Standard=053
)

I do not mind spending a little more money on a Multi-Pure product
over a competitor like Omni or Aqua Pure.... If I was 100% certain
that it was a real quality product. The fact they are an MLM concerns
me greatly.

Can I get some unbiased comments?

Thanks,

Have you looked at the reverse osmosis filters? Most under the sink models
have three canisters: sediment, reverse osmosis, and carbon. I think this
is a better option than a single carbon filter.

"Dirk" wrote in message
I do not mind spending a little more money on a Multi-Pure product
over a competitor like Omni or Aqua Pure.... If I was 100% certain
that it was a real quality product. The fact they are an MLM concerns
me greatly.

Can I get some unbiased comments?

I've been using an Insta-Pure by WaterPik for about 12 years or so. I use
the carbon filter that sells for about $11. The Omni cartridge will not fit
this housing as the intake is not deep enough.

It has been trouble free and our water is now great to drink compared tot he
swampy taste it used to have from the town reservoir. No matter what brand
you get, be sure it has a clear housing. There should be a way of shutting
the water and relieving the pressure before removing the canister. It can
be part of the filter or a valve installed nearby.
Ed

"Dirk" wrote in message
...
Hi folk,

I have been using a Pur dispenser for a while - but now since I broke
it have decided that rather invest in a new one, it was time to
install a "real" carbon based faucet filter.

I am not interested in the ones that mount on the faucet and are in
the way - and likely will constantly get things splashed up on them.

I want a high quality carbon based filter (under-sink) that will
remove traditional contaminants (chlorine and lead), but also the more
uncomon ones that while they may not be detectable today... They
could still be in the water. (Mercury, Aresenic, MTBE, etc...)
Before anyone asks - I have reviewed my city water report. While
those ND contaminants are not reported - it still concerns me that
they are there at very low levels, or can be leached from pipes
(mercury perhaps?) or might slowly creep up to detectable levels over
the next few years.
snip

MLM stuff is mostly scams. Well Tupperware isn't but much of the rest is.
Arsenic is regulated by the feds and is only a problem in certain areas.
There is no mercury in pipes. MBTE could be a concern in those areas that
use it in gasoline. I think maybe you don't have enough real concerns.

As far as I can tell, the only real reason to filter municipal water in the
USA is for taste. If a contaminant is at levels below the parts per billion
level that is detectable, then they won't affect you.

del cecchi

Dirk

In article , said...

"Dirk" wrote in message
...
Hi folk,

I have been using a Pur dispenser for a while - but now since I broke
it have decided that rather invest in a new one, it was time to
install a "real" carbon based faucet filter.

I am not interested in the ones that mount on the faucet and are in
the way - and likely will constantly get things splashed up on them.

I want a high quality carbon based filter (under-sink) that will
remove traditional contaminants (chlorine and lead), but also the more
uncomon ones that while they may not be detectable today... They
could still be in the water. (Mercury, Aresenic, MTBE, etc...)
Before anyone asks - I have reviewed my city water report. While
those ND contaminants are not reported - it still concerns me that
they are there at very low levels, or can be leached from pipes
(mercury perhaps?) or might slowly creep up to detectable levels over
the next few years.

You probably won't want to pay what it costs to remove some of thost
contaminents. It will be much cheaper to get a water service.

MLM stuff is mostly scams. Well Tupperware isn't but much of the rest is.
Arsenic is regulated by the feds and is only a problem in certain areas.
There is no mercury in pipes. MBTE could be a concern in those areas that
use it in gasoline. I think maybe you don't have enough real concerns.

MTBE is used most places in the winter, isn't it? I don't think it's easy
to filter out.

In rec.food.equipment Brad wrote:

MTBE is used most places in the winter, isn't it? I don't think it's easy
to filter out.

Define "most places." Probably in the places with
most of the population of the US, but if you go
by geographic area probably nowhere near most places.

Basically, oxygenation of gasoline is required in
areas which meet certain air pollution levels.
Those tend to be the in and around the larger
cities and heavily populated areas.

Note that MTBE is not the only oxygenate that
can be used. Ethyl alcohol works too, but is
more expensive.


Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 23:41:56 GMT, "Vox Humana"
wrote:


"Dirk" wrote in message
.. .
Hi folk,

I have been using a Pur dispenser for a while - but now since I broke
it have decided that rather invest in a new one, it was time to
install a "real" carbon based faucet filter.

I am not interested in the ones that mount on the faucet and are in
the way - and likely will constantly get things splashed up on them.

I want a high quality carbon based filter (under-sink) that will
remove traditional contaminants (chlorine and lead), but also the more
uncomon ones that while they may not be detectable today... They
could still be in the water. (Mercury, Aresenic, MTBE, etc...)
Before anyone asks - I have reviewed my city water report. While
those ND contaminants are not reported - it still concerns me that
they are there at very low levels, or can be leached from pipes
(mercury perhaps?) or might slowly creep up to detectable levels over
the next few years.

I am concerned that moving from a Pur dispenser - which does filter
out arsenic (most likely due to long contact time with the water) to a
higher water pressure carbon based system, which would let those
contaminants pass through easily. (I do not want to go RO because it
does remove some important things - Magnesium and Calcium, as well as
Fluoride... But let's not even start a fluoridation debate )

Multi-Pure filters claim to filter out contaminants that no other
filter seems to. And NSF.org seems to back them up.

(http://www.nsf.org/Certified/DWTU/Listings.asp?Company=32730&Standard=053
)

I do not mind spending a little more money on a Multi-Pure product
over a competitor like Omni or Aqua Pure.... If I was 100% certain
that it was a real quality product. The fact they are an MLM concerns
me greatly.

Can I get some unbiased comments?

Thanks,

Have you looked at the reverse osmosis filters? Most under the sink models
have three canisters: sediment, reverse osmosis, and carbon. I think this
is a better option than a single carbon filter.


he said he didn't want RO filter. I don't blame him.

I use a PUR plus 7000L undersink model. I have been very satisfied,
changing filters 2x/year. Unfortunately they stopped selling the
filters in Canada, so ïll have to find a new type in a few months.
They are still available in the States though.
Zed


---
"Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups:
Alcohol, Caffeine, Sugar & Fat"

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message . com...
"Dirk" wrote in message
I do not mind spending a little more money on a Multi-Pure product
over a competitor like Omni or Aqua Pure.... If I was 100% certain
that it was a real quality product. The fact they are an MLM concerns
me greatly.

Can I get some unbiased comments?

I've been using an Insta-Pure by WaterPik for about 12 years or so. I use
the carbon filter that sells for about $11. The Omni cartridge will not fit
this housing as the intake is not deep enough.

It has been trouble free and our water is now great to drink compared tot he
swampy taste it used to have from the town reservoir. No matter what brand
you get, be sure it has a clear housing. There should be a way of shutting
the water and relieving the pressure before removing the canister. It can
be part of the filter or a valve installed nearby.
Ed

I suggest you get a model that uses the standard size filters (11.5" I
think). This way you can buy filters from different sources. You want
two cartridges so you can have a prefilter and a final that does
something specific for your water source, such as heavy metal or bio.

"MaxAluminum" wrote in message
I suggest you get a model that uses the standard size filters (11.5" I
think). This way you can buy filters from different sources. You want
two cartridges so you can have a prefilter and a final that does
something specific for your water source, such as heavy metal or bio.

The wound type filters are universal. The problems is only between the
GAC1-ss and the Insta Pure housing. they are the same length. Most filters
are hollow core. These are not and the outlet in the top of the housing is
longer than the depth of the recess in top of the Omni cartridge. The
Insta-Pure IR-10 does not need a pre filter as it is part of the cartridge.
Ed

"Dirk" wrote
Hi folk,

I have been using a Pur dispenser for a while - but now since I broke
it have decided that rather invest in a new one, it was time to
install a "real" carbon based faucet filter.

I am not interested in the ones that mount on the faucet and are in
the way - and likely will constantly get things splashed up on them.

I want a high quality carbon based filter (under-sink) that will
remove traditional contaminants (chlorine and lead), but also the more
uncomon ones that while they may not be detectable today... They
could still be in the water. (Mercury, Aresenic, MTBE, etc...)
Before anyone asks - I have reviewed my city water report. While
those ND contaminants are not reported - it still concerns me that
they are there at very low levels, or can be leached from pipes
(mercury perhaps?) or might slowly creep up to detectable levels over
the next few years.

I am concerned that moving from a Pur dispenser - which does filter
out arsenic (most likely due to long contact time with the water) to a
higher water pressure carbon based system, which would let those
contaminants pass through easily. (I do not want to go RO because it
does remove some important things - Magnesium and Calcium, as well as
Fluoride... But let's not even start a fluoridation debate )

Multi-Pure filters claim to filter out contaminants that no other
filter seems to. And NSF.org seems to back them up.

(http://www.nsf.org/Certified/DWTU/Li...2730&Standard=
053)

I do not mind spending a little more money on a Multi-Pure product
over a competitor like Omni or Aqua Pure.... If I was 100% certain
that it was a real quality product. The fact they are an MLM concerns
me greatly.

Can I get some unbiased comments?

Thanks,

Dirk

If you are looking at only certified filters, you won't find many, nor
the vast majority of filters that are sold everyday by the water quality
improvement industry (us water treatment guys). In essence the certified
part is very expensive marketing designed to attract those that look for
such things. That goes for all water treatment equipment. You don't see
any commercial equipment that is certified, do you? BTW, that market is
probably 100 to 1000 times larger than the residential market and I do
not know of any certifification body for 'it'.

Anyway, if I take what you are looking for literally, one piece of
equipment to accomplish your wish list doesn't exist. Sorry, but RO and
distillation (with carbon) are your only choices for the parameters you
list; but there go the minerals and fluoride. And you should really read
up on current data concerning fluoridation; it isn't pretty what that
stuff does to the human body and more and more (western civilization
type) nations are getting rid of it, except the US of A. Here we won't
even discuss it except on a very local basis if at all.

I suggest you look into bottled water or an undercounter dual stage
filter with its own faucet on the sink with a sediment prefilter and
high quality carbon block and accept the improvement it makes in your
already more than adequate water quality knowing that disinfection
byproducts are being removed. Lead will not be in your water naturally
(or the solder in your copper plumbing if the house was built after say
1988), mercury is not possible to be in your water or plumbing and IIRC
fluoride will go through the filter. If you want a quote email works.

Gary
Quality Water Associates

"MaxAluminum" wrote
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote
"Dirk" wrote in message
I do not mind spending a little more money on a Multi-Pure product
over a competitor like Omni or Aqua Pure.... If I was 100%
certain
that it was a real quality product. The fact they are an MLM
concerns
me greatly.

Can I get some unbiased comments?

I've been using an Insta-Pure by WaterPik for about 12 years or so.
I use
the carbon filter that sells for about $11. The Omni cartridge will
not fit
this housing as the intake is not deep enough.

It has been trouble free and our water is now great to drink
compared tot he
swampy taste it used to have from the town reservoir. No matter
what brand
you get, be sure it has a clear housing. There should be a way of
shutting
the water and relieving the pressure before removing the canister.
It can
be part of the filter or a valve installed nearby.
Ed

I suggest you get a model that uses the standard size filters (11.5" I
think). This way you can buy filters from different sources. You want
two cartridges so you can have a prefilter and a final that does
something specific for your water source, such as heavy metal or bio.

Industry standard is '10' inch and the cartridges range in length from 9
3/4" to 9 7/8".

The only filter cartridge that can be used for "bio" is a ceramic.
Carbon is not to be used on water of unknown microbiological content.
Bacteria love to 'breed' in carbon unless it is silver impregnated,
which there is very little of. His concern should be disinfection
(chlorine/chloramines) byproduct caused THMs (trihalomethanes).

Gary
Quality Water Associates

"Brad" wrote
In article ,
said...

"Dirk" wrote in message
...
Hi folk,

I have been using a Pur dispenser for a while - but now since I
broke
it have decided that rather invest in a new one, it was time to
install a "real" carbon based faucet filter.

I am not interested in the ones that mount on the faucet and are
in
the way - and likely will constantly get things splashed up on
them.

I want a high quality carbon based filter (under-sink) that will
remove traditional contaminants (chlorine and lead), but also the
more
uncomon ones that while they may not be detectable today... They
could still be in the water. (Mercury, Aresenic, MTBE, etc...)
Before anyone asks - I have reviewed my city water report. While
those ND contaminants are not reported - it still concerns me that
they are there at very low levels, or can be leached from pipes
(mercury perhaps?) or might slowly creep up to detectable levels
over
the next few years.

You probably won't want to pay what it costs to remove some of thost
contaminents. It will be much cheaper to get a water service.

MLM stuff is mostly scams. Well Tupperware isn't but much of the
rest is.
Arsenic is regulated by the feds and is only a problem in certain
areas.
There is no mercury in pipes. MBTE could be a concern in those
areas that
use it in gasoline. I think maybe you don't have enough real
concerns.

MTBE is used most places in the winter, isn't it? I don't think it's
easy
to filter out.

Not true, a water service costs much more and is never ending.
Filtration is much better both financially and water quality wise. I
know families paying as much as $100+ per month for delivered bottle
water. He can buy the filter he needs for less than two months of that
and a RO for an extra month. Annual maintenance for a RO would be less
than one month's worth of delivered water services.

Gary
Quality Water Associates

wrote
In rec.food.equipment Brad wrote:

MTBE is used most places in the winter, isn't it? I don't think
it's easy
to filter out.

Define "most places." Probably in the places with
most of the population of the US, but if you go
by geographic area probably nowhere near most places.

Basically, oxygenation of gasoline is required in
areas which meet certain air pollution levels.
Those tend to be the in and around the larger
cities and heavily populated areas.

Note that MTBE is not the only oxygenate that
can be used. Ethyl alcohol works too, but is
more expensive.


Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

"most places"... I'd say just about everywhere vehicles with that type
gasoline travel; like out here in the middle of PA along any local,
state, federal or interstate road or highway. Most days I see many out
of state vehicles from as far away as California and Washington, Canada,
FL, TX etc.. Up until last year, PA had the distinction of having the
most rural population in the lower 48. TX now surpasses us.

Gary
Quality Water Associates

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote

"MaxAluminum" wrote in message
I suggest you get a model that uses the standard size filters (11.5"
I
think). This way you can buy filters from different sources. You
want
two cartridges so you can have a prefilter and a final that does
something specific for your water source, such as heavy metal or
bio.

The wound type filters are universal. The problems is only between the
GAC1-ss and the Insta Pure housing. they are the same length. Most
filters
are hollow core. These are not and the outlet in the top of the
housing is
longer than the depth of the recess in top of the Omni cartridge. The
Insta-Pure IR-10 does not need a pre filter as it is part of the
cartridge.
Ed

Those makes are proprietary equipment, not industry standard. Any
independent water treatment dealer has equal or higher quality
cartridges at less cost that in many installations last longer due to
them being larger capacity wise.

Combination cartridges, such as 'taste and odor' with sediment outside
the carbon are not near the filtration of two separate cartridges.
Cartridges come in two types. Nominal and absolute. Nominal uses the
build up of 'sediment' (progressive) to reach it's rating and when the
surface and just below becomes blocked the filter has to be replaced.
Absolute cartridges filter through all but to the core.

Gary
Quality Water Associates

What do you think of the Doulton System? http://www.doulton.ca/wt-tech.html

Bonnie