"Dirk" wrote
"Gary Slusser" wrote:

Nope, no mecury in solder, fluxes or any other approved for potable
water line plumbing or other materials of any kind now or in the
distant
past. Now lead and copper yes; along with still in existance lead
service line and lead based solder which should not be used since
about
1987 in the US. All brass is now 'lead free' also. That really means
no

Ok - you're the expert. Thanks for the info.

I still am a tad concerned - considering the toxicity of mercury, I do
appreciate a filter that can remove it - in case it ever is able to
seep into my water supply.

Perhaps I am being overly concerned in that we are exposed to mercury,
lead, arsenic, PCB, and other toxins every single day... And our
bodies are able to cope with those low levels remarkably well. But
every trace amount that we could eliminate, I believe is beneficial to
one's health.



Take a daily vitamin or eat properly and you'll be fine. The human
body
doesn't get much (uptake) of minerals out of the water we consume and
we
can't drink enough water (it will kill you to try) to make up for an
improper diet.

Well to some extent I agree. However there is some evidence that
suggests disolved minerals in water are more readily absorbed by the
body. It has been a while since I did this research - specificalling
considering a DI system at the time... But the importance of
magnesium - specifically disolved magnesium is what made me turn to a
good carbon based "dispenser" system by Pur. (I know that may sound
crazy - but Magnesium is damn important to heart health)


quality. A problem is that the parts etc. for their products can be
pulled out of production creating orphaned consumers. Yes that can
and
does happen with other types too but many of them can use open market
replacements due to their use of that type material where MLM usually
can't. In many instances the MLM stuff will carry a patent and the
manufacturing is done by them or very exclusively for them as opposed
to
normal industry channels. That also increases the cost.

Yes I know - I guess one of the thinks about Multi-Pure is that they
seem to have been around a while, and it doesn't appear as if they are
no longer supporting filter systems that were sold 10 years ago?

I'm sort of thinking about buying one of Multi-Pure's Polypropylene
models - the one that has a filter that reduces As (pentavalent)
(http://www.multipureplus.com/sspidas.html) My thoughts are that
the MP and their distributors are making a ton of money off the
Stainless Steel product. Prices I have seen show a significant price
drop when moving to plastic.

Only problelm is I can't really seem to find anyone who sells this
particular model. Strange how they have another multipure website
which has different models. I can't for the life of me understand why
there is a multipure.com, multipureco.com, and multipureplus.com.
(With the first two having the same products - and the third having
different products)

Thanks again for your valuable comments Gary.

Dirk

Yes I thought that was strange too. Really stainless steel housings are
overkill IMO. Here are some of the filter housings I sell, you may know
them as Ametek:

http://www.plymouthwater.com/Content...?CatalogPage=3

I also sell many different disposable cartridges from folks like KX
Industries. KX is the largest manufacturer of extruded carbon etc.
'filters' in the world. I also sell Osmonics Purtrex and Hytrex filters
among others.

Gary
Quality Water Associates

"Bill Seurer" wrote
Gary Slusser wrote:
Donchya know I can't find the site now.... but a quick
www.google.com web search for "flouride + poison" and then click on
using the correct spelling and both will produce from 3600 to 27000
hits. That's a lot of reading!

Especially since 99.44% of them are bogus.

Bill, most of the western civilized nations and many 'third world'
nations have discontinued or said no to fluoridation for some reason. A
Scandinavian country or was it England.... decided to not fluoridate
their water in the last month or two. I suppose you'd say that the
discontinuance and refusals has to be due to some of those bogus
reports.

Gary
Quality Water Associates

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:01:45 -0700, Miles wrote:

Vox Humana wrote:

both populations. The AMA and ADA set standards a few years ago for
fluoride supplements for children on non-fluoridated water supplies.

Treatments for children have been done by dentists for decades. They
may or may not provide a benifit but are a far better choice than adding
it to our water. There is just no need to do so with such treatments
available. Besides, toothpaste has fluoride in it, use it!!

Exactly. Fluoride works best topically, not systemically. America is the
land where money can buy a study that shows whatever is desired, and money
pays for lobbyists to get whatever industry wants implemented.

Putting fluoride in the water supply is not giving people a choice. But is
forcing it down everybody's throat.

Don donwiss at panix.com.

"Gary Slusser" wrote in message ...
"Bill Seurer" wrote
Gary Slusser wrote:
Donchya know I can't find the site now.... but a quick
www.google.com web search for "flouride + poison" and then click on
using the correct spelling and both will produce from 3600 to 27000
hits. That's a lot of reading!

Especially since 99.44% of them are bogus.

Bill, most of the western civilized nations and many 'third world'
nations have discontinued or said no to fluoridation for some reason. A
Scandinavian country or was it England.... decided to not fluoridate
their water in the last month or two. I suppose you'd say that the
discontinuance and refusals has to be due to some of those bogus
reports.

Gary
Quality Water Associates


Fluoridation wastes your tax dollars because as American children
become fluoride saturated via their fluoridated water, food and
beverage supply and fluoridated dental treatments, toothpastes and
other products as well as from fluoride containing pesticide food
residues, tooth decay is still on the rise.
The rise in cavities is linked to poor diet.

But the real problem is that those with the most cavities - those with
a low income - are the least able to get dental care.


About 4 million children aged 2 - 17 have untreated cavities because
they can't afford a dentist, according to a gov't report (
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_10/sr10_213.pdf )

Yet the California Dental Association is paying $5 million to the
Metropolitan ?Water District to fluoridate the water supply.
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2003...0319_55_21.txt

And the American Academy of Pediatric Dentistry takes Coca Cola's $1
million grant for research and they help sell a Coca Cola product -
fluoridated bottled water

http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap...y.asp?ID=22448

While dentists themselves have discovered and reported in their
journals that fluoridation is failing. Here's just one of many, many
examples:


"It may...be that fluoridation of drinking water does not have a
strong protective effect against early childhood caries (ECC),"
reports dentist Howard Pollick, University of California, and
colleagues, in the Winter 2003 Journal of Public Health Dentistry(1).

Pollick, a staunch fluoridation proponent and co-chairman of the
California Fluoridation Task Force, found that poor children had the
most cavities regardless of fluoridation status.

http://www.enn.com/direct/display-re...7E81925727268A

Fluoridation wastes your tax dollars - pure and simple.

San Francisco just spent $2,500,000 on a new fluoridation facility
but the mayor and water department officials drink non-fluoridated
bottled water which they sell also.
http://sfwater.org/detail.cfm/MC_ID/.../57/C_ID/1652/


http://sfwater.org/main.cfm/MC_ID/5/MSC_ID/72

http://sfwater.org/detail.cfm/MSC_ID.../holdSession/1

Write and call your legislators. Tell them to save your money and stop
fluoridation.

New York State Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation
http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof

Why, 98 percent of you and I are made of water. What do they use to
make ice cream, mandrake? Kids' ice cream! Fluoride use increased
sharply after WW II. How's that coincide with your post-war Commie
conspiracy?

"Don Wiss" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:01:45 -0700, Miles
wrote:

Vox Humana wrote:

both populations. The AMA and ADA set standards a few years ago for
fluoride supplements for children on non-fluoridated water supplies.

Treatments for children have been done by dentists for decades. They
may or may not provide a benifit but are a far better choice than adding
it to our water. There is just no need to do so with such treatments
available. Besides, toothpaste has fluoride in it, use it!!

Exactly. Fluoride works best topically, not systemically. America is the
land where money can buy a study that shows whatever is desired, and money
pays for lobbyists to get whatever industry wants implemented.


NO. Not exactly. Fluoride works best when it is incorporated into the
enamel matrix during development. The only way to accomplish that is by
ingesting fluoride. (Remember, teeth start to develop in utero. The crowns
of all teeth develop in the jaw and erupt fully formed. There is no way to
treat them with topical fluoride during development, even if it was somewhat
effective.) Topical fluoride treatments are an inferior second tier measure
and should be seen as extra insurance to prevent decay. Topical fluoride
treatments do not penetrate very far into the enamel. They are somewhat
effective in reversing demineralization of the enamel and can reverse
insipient decay.

I find your logic about "what the industry wants" to be flawed. The
industry would be far richer if there was no fluoride in water supplies.
Dental offices would be overwhelmed treating rampant tooth decay.
Communities wouldn't have to spend money fluoridating water.

Vox Humana wrote:


NO. Not exactly. Fluoride works best when it is incorporated into the
enamel matrix during development. The only way to accomplish that is by
ingesting fluoride.

Wrong. Teeth in children are rather soft. Fluoride treatments in
children have shown great success over the decades. As a child I had
treatments every year. I grew up on bottled water or purified RO/DI
water. Now in my 40's my teeth are in excellent shape. Dentist always
remarks at how much better mine are than average. Fluoride is a toxin
that shouldn't be put into our water. Especially the form that is used.
Fluoride in drinking water does little to help teeth especially in
adults. Why force it on society? Why not sell an additive that people
can put into their water if they so choose? Get out Gov. out of our
personal lives.

"Miles" wrote in message
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Vox Humana wrote:


NO. Not exactly. Fluoride works best when it is incorporated into the
enamel matrix during development. The only way to accomplish that is by
ingesting fluoride.

Wrong. Teeth in children are rather soft. Fluoride treatments in
children have shown great success over the decades. As a child I had
treatments every year. I grew up on bottled water or purified RO/DI
water. Now in my 40's my teeth are in excellent shape. Dentist always
remarks at how much better mine are than average. Fluoride is a toxin
that shouldn't be put into our water. Especially the form that is used.
Fluoride in drinking water does little to help teeth especially in
adults. Why force it on society? Why not sell an additive that people
can put into their water if they so choose? Get out Gov. out of our
personal lives.


Look, I'm a dentist. You don't know what you're talking about. You are
right about fluoridated water being of little benefit to adults. The rest
of this is simply a political argument.

Fluorine is a byproduct of some industrial processes.
Need to find something to do with it.

Ken Sternberg wrote in message
om...
Why, 98 percent of you and I are made of water. What do they use to
make ice cream, mandrake? Kids' ice cream! Fluoride use increased
sharply after WW II. How's that coincide with your post-war Commie
conspiracy?

"Michael Baugh" wrote in message
.. .
Fluorine is a byproduct of some industrial processes.


So are wieners!

Vox Humana wrote:

Look, I'm a dentist. You don't know what you're talking about. You are
right about fluoridated water being of little benefit to adults. The rest
of this is simply a political argument.

I dont care if you are a dentist. Makes little difference since
dentists all have differing views on the subject. I do agree that its
more of a political argument though.

Yes, but which is easiest to dispose of?

graham wrote in message
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"Michael Baugh" wrote in message
.. .
Fluorine is a byproduct of some industrial processes.


So are wieners!

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:04:43 -0500, "Michael Baugh"
wrote:

Yes, but which is easiest to dispose of?

graham wrote in message
news:TSknb.200497$6C4.197131@pd7tw1no...

"Michael Baugh" wrote in message
.. .
Fluorine is a byproduct of some industrial processes.


So are wieners!



Im sure you lads are aware..that there is a huge difference between
Flourine, and flouride..right?

I should remind you of the old chemistry rhyme...

Johnny was a chemist
but Jonny is no more.
What Jonny thought was H2O
Was H2SO4


http://www.ucc.ie/ucc/depts/chem/dol...m/elem009.html

Some nasty stuff..its not nice to see people burst into flame.

Gunner


Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals are
so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry

"Miles" wrote in message
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Vox Humana wrote:

Look, I'm a dentist. You don't know what you're talking about. You are
right about fluoridated water being of little benefit to adults. The
rest
of this is simply a political argument.

I dont care if you are a dentist. Makes little difference since
dentists all have differing views on the subject. I do agree that its
more of a political argument though.


We're aren't taking about different views. There were two statements of
fact: 1) Children have "soft" teeth, and 2) topical fluoride treatments are
more effective than systemic fluoride. Both of these statements are false.

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:04:43 -0500, "Michael Baugh"
wrote:

Yes, but which is easiest to dispose of?

graham wrote in message
news:TSknb.200497$6C4.197131@pd7tw1no...

"Michael Baugh" wrote in message
.. .
Fluorine is a byproduct of some industrial processes.


So are wieners!



Im sure you lads are aware..that there is a huge difference between
Flourine, and flouride..right?

I should remind you of the old chemistry rhyme...

Johnny was a chemist
but Jonny is no more.
What Jonny thought was H2O
Was H2SO4


http://www.ucc.ie/ucc/depts/chem/dol...m/elem009.html

Some nasty stuff..its not nice to see people burst into flame.

Gunner


Confronting Liberals with the facts of reality is very much akin to
clubbing baby seals. It gets boring after a while, but because Liberals
are
so stupid it is easy work." Steven M. Barry

But conservatives are so dumb that they don't notice when their freedoms are
taken away!