Given all the fish we are catching, it seems time to get a vacuum sealer.
I'd love to hear about your experiences with various brands and models.

--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

Peter Aitken wrote:
Given all the fish we are catching, it seems time to get a vacuum sealer.
I'd love to hear about your experiences with various brands and models.


I've only had experience with the Tilia Foodsaver and the what ticks me
off the most is that I didn't buy it sooner. I don't recall the model
but it's an older "no-frills" one. No canisters, selective sealing, etc
but I love it. Haven't had anything go bad or freezer burn since I
bought it. Well, the other thing that kinda ticks me off is that the
dang thing won't die so I can justify getting a new one with the
selective vacuum and sealing settings.

I'm sure you'll get opinions on others as well.

--
Steve

Never read the fine print. There ain't no way you're going to like it.

Steve Calvin wrote:

I've only had experience with the Tilia Foodsaver and the what ticks
me off the most is that I didn't buy it sooner.

That sums up my experience. No more freezer burn, no more moldy cheese. The
bags can be re-used three to five times.

--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

"Peter Aitken" wrote in message
.. .
Given all the fish we are catching, it seems time to get a vacuum sealer.
I'd love to hear about your experiences with various brands and models.

--
Peter Aitken

Hello Peter,
I bought the Tilia Foodsaver because it seemed the best for the money at
Costco for $124.95. It had a few of the accessories in it. Then I bought
the box of rolls for $40, which are $10 less than what the foodsaver site
sells them for.

After I got a little used to it, I ordered from Amazon (because I got $25
off my order & free shipping) about $130 of accessories, plus all were a few
dollars each cheaper.

I ordered one each of a regular and large mouth jar sealer to use with a
mason jar and lid. This is really useful to me as I store many things in
1/2 gallon and quart jars, as well as spices in smaller jars.

I ordered a regular and large 'universal lid' which are rather expensive.
They will fit, say, a large jar of olives; mine always gets thrown out about
1/2 way through. This will save the price of the lid if you do this a
couple of times. They will fit on most jars you get from the grocery.

I ordered a couple of 3+ qt. round tall cannisters and a few flat
cannisters. The tall cannisters are great for saving a big bag mesclun
(sp?) salad or any other salad/spinach for a few days more after you have
opened it. You can't freeze anything in cannisters, only in bags. They say
not to cannister garlic. But I messed up and put some garlic in a small
cannister. I will take it out and put it in a mason jar to see how it turns
out.

Of course, cheese, cheese. We bought a large amount of rather expensive
cheeses which we would never otherwise do, and sealed them in the bags, and
put them in the refrigerator -- not freeze. I did put one cheese in a
cannister, as well because I knew that we would be eating from it -- why
waste a bag.

There is a 'quick marinator' which I bought a rectangular canister. It is
probably over-rated (in my case) as I don't often marinate anything. It is
2-1/4 cups.

I baked a roast and froze it in bags. I baked a chicken and froze the
carcass for later making a broth. You cannot re-use the meat bags (their
recommendation.)

One of my cannisters was cracked when it arrived. It looks as if one
doesn't want to drop them.

You cannot buy the lids separately, you have to buy cannister with lid.

After opening a large bag of frozen berries, I bagged it and froze it. They
don't have any frost on them. I did the same with the large bag of Costco
frozen peas. I bagged them in 2-cup bags (these bags are washable, but
after cutting them open, each time you will lose I believe about 4 inches.

I have bagged and sealed a lb. of 'expensive' organic coffee. I bagged a
small block of tamarind.

I prefer to make my own bags to suit the size vs. using ready-made bags. I
haven't calculated the cost difference.

I don't know whether the bags are considered expensive, but that is one
reason why I didn't buy one earlier. But I guess it is like making your own
ice cream in that store-bought ice cream and home-made are about the same
price. But since we don't go marketing every day, I believe it will pay for
itself, along with all the benefits we derive from not having to go as often
and our food staying fresher.

Hope you decide to buy one -- if only for Fish!!! Oh, the next time I buy
fish, I will be buying salmon, and I will be putting the leftovers in the
sealed bag, not the uncooked.

Dee





I see no end to using my foodsaver.

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:31:13 -0400, "Dee Randall"
wrote:


"Peter Aitken" wrote in message
. ..
Given all the fish we are catching, it seems time to get a vacuum sealer.
I'd love to hear about your experiences with various brands and models.

--
Peter Aitken

Hello Peter,
I bought the Tilia Foodsaver because it seemed the best for the money at
Costco for $124.95. It had a few of the accessories in it. Then I bought
the box of rolls for $40, which are $10 less than what the foodsaver site
sells them for.

After I got a little used to it, I ordered from Amazon (because I got $25
off my order & free shipping) about $130 of accessories, plus all were a few
dollars each cheaper.

I ordered one each of a regular and large mouth jar sealer to use with a
mason jar and lid. This is really useful to me as I store many things in
1/2 gallon and quart jars, as well as spices in smaller jars.

I ordered a regular and large 'universal lid' which are rather expensive.
They will fit, say, a large jar of olives; mine always gets thrown out about
1/2 way through. This will save the price of the lid if you do this a
couple of times. They will fit on most jars you get from the grocery.

I ordered a couple of 3+ qt. round tall cannisters and a few flat
cannisters. The tall cannisters are great for saving a big bag mesclun
(sp?) salad or any other salad/spinach for a few days more after you have
opened it. You can't freeze anything in cannisters, only in bags. They say
not to cannister garlic. But I messed up and put some garlic in a small
cannister. I will take it out and put it in a mason jar to see how it turns
out.

Of course, cheese, cheese. We bought a large amount of rather expensive
cheeses which we would never otherwise do, and sealed them in the bags, and
put them in the refrigerator -- not freeze. I did put one cheese in a
cannister, as well because I knew that we would be eating from it -- why
waste a bag.

There is a 'quick marinator' which I bought a rectangular canister. It is
probably over-rated (in my case) as I don't often marinate anything. It is
2-1/4 cups.

I baked a roast and froze it in bags. I baked a chicken and froze the
carcass for later making a broth. You cannot re-use the meat bags (their
recommendation.)

One of my cannisters was cracked when it arrived. It looks as if one
doesn't want to drop them.

You cannot buy the lids separately, you have to buy cannister with lid.

After opening a large bag of frozen berries, I bagged it and froze it. They
don't have any frost on them. I did the same with the large bag of Costco
frozen peas. I bagged them in 2-cup bags (these bags are washable, but
after cutting them open, each time you will lose I believe about 4 inches.

I have bagged and sealed a lb. of 'expensive' organic coffee. I bagged a
small block of tamarind.

I prefer to make my own bags to suit the size vs. using ready-made bags. I
haven't calculated the cost difference.

I don't know whether the bags are considered expensive, but that is one
reason why I didn't buy one earlier. But I guess it is like making your own
ice cream in that store-bought ice cream and home-made are about the same
price. But since we don't go marketing every day, I believe it will pay for
itself, along with all the benefits we derive from not having to go as often
and our food staying fresher.

Hope you decide to buy one -- if only for Fish!!! Oh, the next time I buy
fish, I will be buying salmon, and I will be putting the leftovers in the
sealed bag, not the uncooked.

Dee



Hey Dee!
Sounds like you have lots of experience with your vacuum sealer! I
have been thinking about purchasing one but have been hesitant because
I live in a city near four grocery stores. I wonder if it would really
be good to buy 2lb. blocks of sharp cheddar cheese at Costco versus
the small packages at the grocery store? I suppose if I were living in
the remote areas of Alaska where a trip to the grocery involves a two
hour journey it would be an excellent idea. What other foods
absolutely have to be bought in "bulk" quantities to be affordable?
Not just the vacuum sealer, I have been hesitant to buy a food freezer
separate from my refrigerator/freezer because I can't see the
advantage of storing the frozen food myself when I am five minutes
from four grocery stores that are open at any time of day I attempt to
buy groceries. I just don't understand? My thinking is that when I go
to one of the local markets I am getting the absolute "freshest" food
available for consumption in the next week or so.

Regards,
Bill

Dee Randall wrote:
"Peter Aitken" wrote in message
.. .

Given all the fish we are catching, it seems time to get a vacuum sealer.
I'd love to hear about your experiences with various brands and models.

--
Peter Aitken
good post snipped
I see no end to using my foodsaver.

I also always buy more corn on the cob when it's in season, cut the
kernals off the wars that are left after dinner and v. seal. We have
"fresh" corn that way all winter. I can either pull a bag out of the
freezer and toss it in the nuker or a pot of water. If I'm boiling
potatoes or something I'll just toss the bag in with them.

I'd recommend getting a permanent marker and marking the bags (unless
it's obvious, like the corn) with contents, such as what kind of steak,
chicken vs turkey, etc....

Great for taking things camping/hunting/fishing I always carry an
"emergency" sealed bag when I go with stick matches, extra meds, water
purification tabs, etc. just in case.

Now, as for the fish... works great. I went deep sea fishing for tuna
for 10 years. The Tilia kept it perfectly for over a year, which was
kind of necessary when ya bring home well over 100 pounds of tuna
filets. But as a caveat, we have a freezer that's got a "commercial"
rating and I keep it at about -15 to -20dF.

Either get a model with the bag storage and cutter included in the model
or buy one of these
http://foodsaver.jardendirect.com/pr...CatalogID=1004

Personally, I wish my old one would die so I could justify getting this
one... ;-)
http://foodsaver.jardendirect.com/pr...CatalogID=1000
Makes life a *lot* easier.

--
Steve

Never read the fine print. There ain't no way you're going to like it.

"Bill" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:31:13 -0400, "Dee Randall"
wrote:


"Peter Aitken" wrote in message
...
Given all the fish we are catching, it seems time to get a vacuum
sealer.
I'd love to hear about your experiences with various brands and models.

--
Peter Aitken

Hello Peter,
I bought the Tilia Foodsaver because it seemed the best for the money at
Costco for $124.95. It had a few of the accessories in it. Then I bought
the box of rolls for $40, which are $10 less than what the foodsaver site
sells them for.

After I got a little used to it, I ordered from Amazon (because I got $25
off my order & free shipping) about $130 of accessories, plus all were a
few
dollars each cheaper.

I ordered one each of a regular and large mouth jar sealer to use with a
mason jar and lid. This is really useful to me as I store many things in
1/2 gallon and quart jars, as well as spices in smaller jars.

I ordered a regular and large 'universal lid' which are rather expensive.
They will fit, say, a large jar of olives; mine always gets thrown out
about
1/2 way through. This will save the price of the lid if you do this a
couple of times. They will fit on most jars you get from the grocery.

I ordered a couple of 3+ qt. round tall cannisters and a few flat
cannisters. The tall cannisters are great for saving a big bag mesclun
(sp?) salad or any other salad/spinach for a few days more after you have
opened it. You can't freeze anything in cannisters, only in bags. They
say
not to cannister garlic. But I messed up and put some garlic in a small
cannister. I will take it out and put it in a mason jar to see how it
turns
out.

Of course, cheese, cheese. We bought a large amount of rather expensive
cheeses which we would never otherwise do, and sealed them in the bags,
and
put them in the refrigerator -- not freeze. I did put one cheese in a
cannister, as well because I knew that we would be eating from it -- why
waste a bag.

There is a 'quick marinator' which I bought a rectangular canister. It is
probably over-rated (in my case) as I don't often marinate anything. It
is
2-1/4 cups.

I baked a roast and froze it in bags. I baked a chicken and froze the
carcass for later making a broth. You cannot re-use the meat bags (their
recommendation.)

One of my cannisters was cracked when it arrived. It looks as if one
doesn't want to drop them.

You cannot buy the lids separately, you have to buy cannister with lid.

After opening a large bag of frozen berries, I bagged it and froze it.
They
don't have any frost on them. I did the same with the large bag of Costco
frozen peas. I bagged them in 2-cup bags (these bags are washable, but
after cutting them open, each time you will lose I believe about 4 inches.

I have bagged and sealed a lb. of 'expensive' organic coffee. I bagged a
small block of tamarind.

I prefer to make my own bags to suit the size vs. using ready-made bags.
I
haven't calculated the cost difference.

I don't know whether the bags are considered expensive, but that is one
reason why I didn't buy one earlier. But I guess it is like making your
own
ice cream in that store-bought ice cream and home-made are about the same
price. But since we don't go marketing every day, I believe it will pay
for
itself, along with all the benefits we derive from not having to go as
often
and our food staying fresher.

Hope you decide to buy one -- if only for Fish!!! Oh, the next time I buy
fish, I will be buying salmon, and I will be putting the leftovers in the
sealed bag, not the uncooked.

Dee



Hey Dee!
Sounds like you have lots of experience with your vacuum sealer! I
have been thinking about purchasing one but have been hesitant because
I live in a city near four grocery stores. I wonder if it would really
be good to buy 2lb. blocks of sharp cheddar cheese at Costco versus
the small packages at the grocery store? I suppose if I were living in
the remote areas of Alaska where a trip to the grocery involves a two
hour journey it would be an excellent idea. What other foods
absolutely have to be bought in "bulk" quantities to be affordable?
Not just the vacuum sealer, I have been hesitant to buy a food freezer
separate from my refrigerator/freezer because I can't see the
advantage of storing the frozen food myself when I am five minutes
from four grocery stores that are open at any time of day I attempt to
buy groceries. I just don't understand? My thinking is that when I go
to one of the local markets I am getting the absolute "freshest" food
available for consumption in the next week or so.

Regards,
Bill

I don't know the cost comparison of cheddar at Costco vs. cheddar at your
grocery store. In a situation where one lives five minutes from numerous
grocery stores, one could argue whether to even have a refrigerator? Hmmm.
(:-}
Dee

Bill wrote:

Hey Dee!
Sounds like you have lots of experience with your vacuum sealer! I
have been thinking about purchasing one but have been hesitant because
I live in a city near four grocery stores. I wonder if it would really
be good to buy 2lb. blocks of sharp cheddar cheese at Costco versus
the small packages at the grocery store? I suppose if I were living in
the remote areas of Alaska where a trip to the grocery involves a two
hour journey it would be an excellent idea. What other foods
absolutely have to be bought in "bulk" quantities to be affordable?
Not just the vacuum sealer, I have been hesitant to buy a food freezer
separate from my refrigerator/freezer because I can't see the
advantage of storing the frozen food myself when I am five minutes
from four grocery stores that are open at any time of day I attempt to
buy groceries. I just don't understand? My thinking is that when I go
to one of the local markets I am getting the absolute "freshest" food
available for consumption in the next week or so.

Regards,
Bill

Cheese freezes fine but does tend to change in texture after being
frozen. It's fine to cook with though.

I bought my Tilia mainly because we wanted to start buying a 1/2 of beef
and 1/2 of pork from local farmers that I had some clue what they were
fed and knew that they weren't injected with all that crap that is in
the stupidmarket cuts. I bought our 22 cu ft commercial freezer for the
same reason. Also I used to go Tuna fishing as I said in a prior post
and needed to store a lot of tuna steaks for long term storage.

Fresh veggies are sealed and frozen when in season so we have "fresh"
veggies most of the winter.

I also hunt and needed a method to store the results of that as well.

Whether a sealer and/or freezer it "right" for you is a decision that
can only be made by you. I can tell you that we haven't thrown 1 thing
out for having been freezer burnt since I bought it and everything
remains pretty darn close to being "fresh".
--
Steve

Never read the fine print. There ain't no way you're going to like it.

Bill wrote:

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:31:13 -0400, "Dee Randall"
wrote:


"Peter Aitken" wrote in message
. ..
Given all the fish we are catching, it seems time to get a vacuum sealer.
I'd love to hear about your experiences with various brands and models.

--
Peter Aitken

Hello Peter,
I bought the Tilia Foodsaver because it seemed the best for the money at
Costco for $124.95. It had a few of the accessories in it. Then I bought
the box of rolls for $40, which are $10 less than what the foodsaver site
sells them for.

After I got a little used to it, I ordered from Amazon (because I got $25
off my order & free shipping) about $130 of accessories, plus all were a few
dollars each cheaper.

I ordered one each of a regular and large mouth jar sealer to use with a
mason jar and lid. This is really useful to me as I store many things in
1/2 gallon and quart jars, as well as spices in smaller jars.

I ordered a regular and large 'universal lid' which are rather expensive.
They will fit, say, a large jar of olives; mine always gets thrown out about
1/2 way through. This will save the price of the lid if you do this a
couple of times. They will fit on most jars you get from the grocery.

I ordered a couple of 3+ qt. round tall cannisters and a few flat
cannisters. The tall cannisters are great for saving a big bag mesclun
(sp?) salad or any other salad/spinach for a few days more after you have
opened it. You can't freeze anything in cannisters, only in bags. They say
not to cannister garlic. But I messed up and put some garlic in a small
cannister. I will take it out and put it in a mason jar to see how it turns
out.

Of course, cheese, cheese. We bought a large amount of rather expensive
cheeses which we would never otherwise do, and sealed them in the bags, and
put them in the refrigerator -- not freeze. I did put one cheese in a
cannister, as well because I knew that we would be eating from it -- why
waste a bag.

There is a 'quick marinator' which I bought a rectangular canister. It is
probably over-rated (in my case) as I don't often marinate anything. It is
2-1/4 cups.

I baked a roast and froze it in bags. I baked a chicken and froze the
carcass for later making a broth. You cannot re-use the meat bags (their
recommendation.)

One of my cannisters was cracked when it arrived. It looks as if one
doesn't want to drop them.

You cannot buy the lids separately, you have to buy cannister with lid.

After opening a large bag of frozen berries, I bagged it and froze it. They
don't have any frost on them. I did the same with the large bag of Costco
frozen peas. I bagged them in 2-cup bags (these bags are washable, but
after cutting them open, each time you will lose I believe about 4 inches.

I have bagged and sealed a lb. of 'expensive' organic coffee. I bagged a
small block of tamarind.

I prefer to make my own bags to suit the size vs. using ready-made bags. I
haven't calculated the cost difference.

I don't know whether the bags are considered expensive, but that is one
reason why I didn't buy one earlier. But I guess it is like making your own
ice cream in that store-bought ice cream and home-made are about the same
price. But since we don't go marketing every day, I believe it will pay for
itself, along with all the benefits we derive from not having to go as often
and our food staying fresher.

Hope you decide to buy one -- if only for Fish!!! Oh, the next time I buy
fish, I will be buying salmon, and I will be putting the leftovers in the
sealed bag, not the uncooked.

Dee



Hey Dee!
Sounds like you have lots of experience with your vacuum sealer! I
have been thinking about purchasing one but have been hesitant because
I live in a city near four grocery stores. I wonder if it would really
be good to buy 2lb. blocks of sharp cheddar cheese at Costco versus
the small packages at the grocery store? I suppose if I were living in
the remote areas of Alaska where a trip to the grocery involves a two
hour journey it would be an excellent idea. What other foods
absolutely have to be bought in "bulk" quantities to be affordable?
Not just the vacuum sealer, I have been hesitant to buy a food freezer
separate from my refrigerator/freezer because I can't see the
advantage of storing the frozen food myself when I am five minutes
from four grocery stores that are open at any time of day I attempt to
buy groceries. I just don't understand? My thinking is that when I go
to one of the local markets I am getting the absolute "freshest" food
available for consumption in the next week or so.

Regards,
Bill

The vacuum sealers are particularly good for cooking in bulk, not just
buying raw ingredients in bulk. If you're a single person who likes to
cook, a vacuum sealer is pretty essential. When I do BBQ brisket, there
is little chance I'll eat all 11# in a few days and there is little hope
of freezing the leftovers without freezer burn without a vacuum sealer.

I've currently got a bunch of packets in the freezer with "heat and eat"
BBQ brisket, jerk pork tenderloin and salmon cakes. All are pre cooked
so the bags are reusable unlike with raw meats. Three days worth of
cooking not only provided meals on those days, they also provided
literally weeks worth of main meal components.

I also got the wide mouth jar sealer and a case of quart jars and have
been keeping coffee beans, pancake mix and whatnot in a vacuum packed
state.

Pete C.

"Bill" wrote in message


Sounds like you have lots of experience with your vacuum sealer! I
have been thinking about purchasing one but have been hesitant because
I live in a city near four grocery stores. I wonder if it would really
be good to buy 2lb. blocks of sharp cheddar cheese at Costco versus
the small packages at the grocery store? I suppose if I were living in
the remote areas of Alaska where a trip to the grocery involves a two
hour journey it would be an excellent idea. What other foods
absolutely have to be bought in "bulk" quantities to be affordable?

Comes down to lifestyle and importance or desire of saving money. We've had
a freezer for the past 24 years. I get paid once a month so we do out main
shopping once a month. We go to BJ's (like Costco) and I can buy a whole
pork loin for $1,89 a pound. This is the same loin that sell at the
supermarket for $4 as a roast, $5.29 thin sliced. I can do my own slicing
as needed so I'd rather put the money in my pocket. We cut the loin into
three parts to freeze. The savings of $16+ pays for the bags and operating
cost of the freezer.

Good cheddar cheese is $4.59 today at BJ's, but it is $6.99 at the
supermarket for the same brand. Another few bucks in my pocket. Not
everyone can justify buying a package of 5 dozen eggs, but they are 78¢ a
dozen that way versus $1.79 at the local market.

For the same amount of money every month, I can eat better than you. BTW,
bananas are 33¢ at BJ's and 79¢ at the supermarket. While you cannot buy a
month supply as they are so perishable, you can still save a bundle.

Write down the prices of some common items you buy and compare. The larger
sizes are not always practical, but often, you save so much it is worth
freezing or storing. We also like the convenience of one big shopping trap
supplemented by the quick trips for the milk or produce between them.
--
Ed
http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
"Bill" wrote in message


Sounds like you have lots of experience with your vacuum sealer! I
have been thinking about purchasing one but have been hesitant because
I live in a city near four grocery stores. I wonder if it would really
be good to buy 2lb. blocks of sharp cheddar cheese at Costco versus
the small packages at the grocery store? I suppose if I were living in
the remote areas of Alaska where a trip to the grocery involves a two
hour journey it would be an excellent idea. What other foods
absolutely have to be bought in "bulk" quantities to be affordable?

Comes down to lifestyle and importance or desire of saving money. We've
had a freezer for the past 24 years. I get paid once a month so we do out
main shopping once a month. We go to BJ's (like Costco)

I'm a real shopper, I guess. I belong to BJ's & Costco. My membership costs
me nothing because I get money back from both of them.
However, re importance or desire of saving money & lifestyle: This probably
falls under lifestyle: I bought two big packages of bacon from either BJ's
or Costco (each containing 24 slices each), both were already vacuumed
packed. I froze one vacuumed pack. This hint comes from Cook's
Illustrated. A half-hour ago, from the other pack, I took 4 slices of
bacon, rolled it up (like a jelly-roll cake_, and put it in a small freezer
bag, so I had 6 little freezer bag which I then put in one larger bag and
zipped it up. I don't have to wait for a whole slab of sliced bacon to
unfreeze before I can have a few slices from it; just take a small bag of 4
(or however many you want) out of the freezer and let it thaw. I could have
food-saver vacuumed the 4- slices- packages, but that's going overboard for
me.
Dee

"Dee Randall" wrote in message
...

"Peter Aitken" wrote in message
.. .
Given all the fish we are catching, it seems time to get a vacuum sealer.
I'd love to hear about your experiences with various brands and models.

--
Peter Aitken

Hello Peter,
I bought the Tilia Foodsaver because it seemed the best for the money at
Costco for $124.95. It had a few of the accessories in it. Then I bought
the box of rolls for $40, which are $10 less than what the foodsaver site
sells them for.

long detailed message snipped

Thanks Dee. We did that some thing - bought the same model at Costco. I
think it will be a big timesaver. Last weekend we had several dozen mackerel
and other fillets to freeze (good fishing trip!) and it took forever to wrap
them properly using plastic wrap.

Peter

wrote in message

No, not coffee. Pulling the vacuum is not good, looses flavor. That
was advice from our local roster.

The commercial product is vacuum sealed isn't it?

On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 05:53:21 GMT, lid wrote:

No, not coffee. Pulling the vacuum is not good, looses flavor. That
was advice from our local roster.

No one in alt.coffee believes that. I think you should consult another roaster.

-- Larry

wrote in message
...
"Dee Randall" wrote:

snip
I have bagged and sealed a lb. of 'expensive' organic coffee. I bagged a
small block of tamarind.

No, not coffee. Pulling the vacuum is not good, looses flavor. That
was advice from our local roster.

I don't think your roaster knows what he is talking about. Vacuum is a
long-established way of preserving coffee flavor.


--
Peter Aitken
Visit my recipe and kitchen myths page at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm