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Looking for recommendation on high end dishwasher
I'm not all that knowledgable in this area.....I do know my GE (less than 8
years old) can't seem to clean, nor dry.....is always leaking....and sounds like a locomotive. I assume our builder was "cheaping out" .... I could spend near a grand. Not looking for large, restaurant style...it has to fit in the existing, standard footprint. Any references, comments or recommendations are appreciated. Thanks in Advance, Doug |
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"Doug Ventura" > wrote in message > > I could spend near a grand. Not looking for large, restaurant style...it > has to fit in the existing, standard footprint. > > Any references, comments or recommendations are appreciated. > > Thanks in Advance, Doug Over a period of many years, I've had a couple of Kitchen Aid machines. Last one was 20 years old and was starting to go, so we got another KA. Does a very good job of cleaning. Paid just over $100 for the top of the line. It has a better, heavier spray bar and racks compared to the lower priced brands. We also considered Maytag and took a quick peek at a Bosch. The KA was our choice, but the others, especially the Maytag, are darned good also. I found that the GE, Hotpoint, Frigidaire, etc., tend to be of lesser quality. |
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"Doug Ventura" > wrote in message > > I could spend near a grand. Not looking for large, restaurant style...it > has to fit in the existing, standard footprint. > > Any references, comments or recommendations are appreciated. > > Thanks in Advance, Doug Over a period of many years, I've had a couple of Kitchen Aid machines. Last one was 20 years old and was starting to go, so we got another KA. Does a very good job of cleaning. Paid just over $100 for the top of the line. It has a better, heavier spray bar and racks compared to the lower priced brands. We also considered Maytag and took a quick peek at a Bosch. The KA was our choice, but the others, especially the Maytag, are darned good also. I found that the GE, Hotpoint, Frigidaire, etc., tend to be of lesser quality. |
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"Doug Ventura" > wrote in message > > I could spend near a grand. Not looking for large, restaurant style...it > has to fit in the existing, standard footprint. > > Any references, comments or recommendations are appreciated. > > Thanks in Advance, Doug Over a period of many years, I've had a couple of Kitchen Aid machines. Last one was 20 years old and was starting to go, so we got another KA. Does a very good job of cleaning. Paid just over $100 for the top of the line. It has a better, heavier spray bar and racks compared to the lower priced brands. We also considered Maytag and took a quick peek at a Bosch. The KA was our choice, but the others, especially the Maytag, are darned good also. I found that the GE, Hotpoint, Frigidaire, etc., tend to be of lesser quality. |
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On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Doug Ventura > wrote:
>I could spend near a grand. Not looking for large, restaurant style...it >has to fit in the existing, standard footprint. > >Any references, comments or recommendations are appreciated. Hi. Some time back I had a Miele. It was so quiet you couldn't tell it was running. But more than a grand. Bosch are also probably very quiet. But they have a terrible reliability record. Don <donwiss at panix.com>. |
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On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Doug Ventura > wrote:
>I could spend near a grand. Not looking for large, restaurant style...it >has to fit in the existing, standard footprint. > >Any references, comments or recommendations are appreciated. Hi. Some time back I had a Miele. It was so quiet you couldn't tell it was running. But more than a grand. Bosch are also probably very quiet. But they have a terrible reliability record. Don <donwiss at panix.com>. |
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Hmmm not what I wanted to read... We have a Whirlpool that's over 20 years
old, the only repair has been replacing the door springs, it's not broken but is next on our replace list. I'd buy another just like it, but my husband is pushing for a Bosch. My husband wants a "quieter" one, and he wants nylon racks. I like the silverware on the door feature of my current dishwasher, I do 1 load a day and never wash pots & pans in the dish washer. Any more suggestions..... Rina "Don Wiss" > wrote in message ... > On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Doug Ventura > wrote: > > >I could spend near a grand. Not looking for large, restaurant style...it > >has to fit in the existing, standard footprint. > > > >Any references, comments or recommendations are appreciated. > > Hi. Some time back I had a Miele. It was so quiet you couldn't tell it was > running. But more than a grand. > > Bosch are also probably very quiet. But they have a terrible reliability > record. > > Don <donwiss at panix.com>. |
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Hmmm not what I wanted to read... We have a Whirlpool that's over 20 years
old, the only repair has been replacing the door springs, it's not broken but is next on our replace list. I'd buy another just like it, but my husband is pushing for a Bosch. My husband wants a "quieter" one, and he wants nylon racks. I like the silverware on the door feature of my current dishwasher, I do 1 load a day and never wash pots & pans in the dish washer. Any more suggestions..... Rina "Don Wiss" > wrote in message ... > On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Doug Ventura > wrote: > > >I could spend near a grand. Not looking for large, restaurant style...it > >has to fit in the existing, standard footprint. > > > >Any references, comments or recommendations are appreciated. > > Hi. Some time back I had a Miele. It was so quiet you couldn't tell it was > running. But more than a grand. > > Bosch are also probably very quiet. But they have a terrible reliability > record. > > Don <donwiss at panix.com>. |
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Doug Ventura wrote:
> > I'm not all that knowledgable in this area.....I do know my GE (less than 8 > years old) can't seem to clean, nor dry.....is always leaking....and sounds > like a locomotive. I assume our builder was "cheaping out" .... > > I could spend near a grand. Not looking for large, restaurant style...it > has to fit in the existing, standard footprint. > Our current machine is a Maytag. Much quieter than other machines I've used, cleans well, has a stainless interior and very flexible interior design, with removeable/adjustable/flippable racking. It's a standard size, and fairly easy to install (I did it myself.) It accommodates stemware and large baking sheets, and even has a special basket for safe washing of sharp kitchen knives. I don't offhand remember the price (it was a couple of years ago), but it was definitely well under 1000. Sheila |
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"Rina" > wrote in message news:ghj_c.27498$3l3.24851@attbi_s03... > Hmmm not what I wanted to read... We have a Whirlpool that's over 20 > years > old, the only repair has been replacing the door springs, it's not broken > but is next on our replace list. I'd buy another just like it, but my > husband is pushing for a Bosch. My husband wants a "quieter" one, and he > wants nylon racks. My local dealer no longer displays the Bosch for just that reason. He says they wash very good, are quiet, but have too many problems. He can still get them though. OTOH, any brand you buy is going to be quieter than what you have now. I can barely tell our Kitchen Aid is running most of the time, and cannot tell at other times in the cycle. KA is made by Whirlpool, but in a side by side, we preferred the KA. Maytag has had an excellent reputation for many years. A feature of the Maytag is the third rack on a couple of models. At first glance it seemed to be a good idea, but in function, we did now see where it would be a plus, and it was very low so lots of bending required. Kenmore (most are made by Whirlpool) have a pretty good reputation. I'm not a fan of Sears so I did not consider them. Ed http://pages.cthome.net/edhome |
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"Rina" > wrote in message news:ghj_c.27498$3l3.24851@attbi_s03... > Hmmm not what I wanted to read... We have a Whirlpool that's over 20 > years > old, the only repair has been replacing the door springs, it's not broken > but is next on our replace list. I'd buy another just like it, but my > husband is pushing for a Bosch. My husband wants a "quieter" one, and he > wants nylon racks. My local dealer no longer displays the Bosch for just that reason. He says they wash very good, are quiet, but have too many problems. He can still get them though. OTOH, any brand you buy is going to be quieter than what you have now. I can barely tell our Kitchen Aid is running most of the time, and cannot tell at other times in the cycle. KA is made by Whirlpool, but in a side by side, we preferred the KA. Maytag has had an excellent reputation for many years. A feature of the Maytag is the third rack on a couple of models. At first glance it seemed to be a good idea, but in function, we did now see where it would be a plus, and it was very low so lots of bending required. Kenmore (most are made by Whirlpool) have a pretty good reputation. I'm not a fan of Sears so I did not consider them. Ed http://pages.cthome.net/edhome |
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S Viemeister > wrote:
>Our current machine is a Maytag. >Much quieter than other machines I've used, cleans well, has a stainless >interior and very flexible interior design, with >removeable/adjustable/flippable racking. It's a standard size, and fairly >easy to install (I did it myself.) My Maytag is the best machine we have ever had also....about $450.00 and never needed a repair. My previous machine....Frigidare had more repairs than the cost of the machine. The repairman said he has a Maytag....little repair and parts are immediately accessible. |
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S Viemeister > wrote:
>Our current machine is a Maytag. >Much quieter than other machines I've used, cleans well, has a stainless >interior and very flexible interior design, with >removeable/adjustable/flippable racking. It's a standard size, and fairly >easy to install (I did it myself.) My Maytag is the best machine we have ever had also....about $450.00 and never needed a repair. My previous machine....Frigidare had more repairs than the cost of the machine. The repairman said he has a Maytag....little repair and parts are immediately accessible. |
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In article >,
Don Wiss > wrote: > Hi. Some time back I had a Miele. It was so quiet you couldn't tell it was > running. But more than a grand. It is possible to get into Miele for well less than a grand. The issue with Miele and some other brands is if authorized service is available in the area. Excellent reputation, though, and one of the very few "20-year" dishwashers still being made. > Bosch are also probably very quiet. But they have a terrible reliability > record. Bosch _is_ quiet, and cleans well. They are not as bulletproof as the Miele, if what I hear is any indication. Asko falls into the same category. Curiously, both seem to have the genes to last 20 years, but people still sometimes have problems with them. Actually, most of the people I know with _recent_ Askos (myself included) have had very few problems with them. The same cannot be said by those who bought 4-5 years ago. Asko does offer a three-year "bumper-to-bumper" warranty, though. Bosch/Asko will start at around $600 and go up from there. Be a little careful of Maytag. I participate in a few Internet forums in which appliances are discussed, and apparently "Ol' Lonely" has been meeting lots of new people -- if you know what I mean. :-p If that brand makes your short list, I'd shoot the phrase Maytag dishwasher repair through Google Groups and see where it takes you. sd |
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In article >,
Don Wiss > wrote: > Hi. Some time back I had a Miele. It was so quiet you couldn't tell it was > running. But more than a grand. It is possible to get into Miele for well less than a grand. The issue with Miele and some other brands is if authorized service is available in the area. Excellent reputation, though, and one of the very few "20-year" dishwashers still being made. > Bosch are also probably very quiet. But they have a terrible reliability > record. Bosch _is_ quiet, and cleans well. They are not as bulletproof as the Miele, if what I hear is any indication. Asko falls into the same category. Curiously, both seem to have the genes to last 20 years, but people still sometimes have problems with them. Actually, most of the people I know with _recent_ Askos (myself included) have had very few problems with them. The same cannot be said by those who bought 4-5 years ago. Asko does offer a three-year "bumper-to-bumper" warranty, though. Bosch/Asko will start at around $600 and go up from there. Be a little careful of Maytag. I participate in a few Internet forums in which appliances are discussed, and apparently "Ol' Lonely" has been meeting lots of new people -- if you know what I mean. :-p If that brand makes your short list, I'd shoot the phrase Maytag dishwasher repair through Google Groups and see where it takes you. sd |
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In article >,
Don Wiss > wrote: >On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Doug Ventura > wrote: > >>I could spend near a grand. Not looking for large, restaurant style...it >>has to fit in the existing, standard footprint. >> >>Any references, comments or recommendations are appreciated. > >Hi. Some time back I had a Miele. It was so quiet you couldn't tell it was >running. But more than a grand. > >Bosch are also probably very quiet. But they have a terrible reliability >record. Bosch reliability has improved. Buy one with a service agreement. Less then Miele/Asko, and easier to obtain parts for if indeed a repair is necessary. Have had the mid-level one for eight months and it is quiet, and cleans extremely well. Also looks good. Good luck, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamfATradixDOTnet |
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In article >,
Don Wiss > wrote: >On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Doug Ventura > wrote: > >>I could spend near a grand. Not looking for large, restaurant style...it >>has to fit in the existing, standard footprint. >> >>Any references, comments or recommendations are appreciated. > >Hi. Some time back I had a Miele. It was so quiet you couldn't tell it was >running. But more than a grand. > >Bosch are also probably very quiet. But they have a terrible reliability >record. Bosch reliability has improved. Buy one with a service agreement. Less then Miele/Asko, and easier to obtain parts for if indeed a repair is necessary. Have had the mid-level one for eight months and it is quiet, and cleans extremely well. Also looks good. Good luck, Adam -- Adam Finkelstein adamfATradixDOTnet |
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"Adam Finkelstein" > > Bosch reliability has improved. Buy one with a service agreement. Not very good advice. How much is that service agreement going to cost over the expected life of the machine? My last DW lasted 20 years and had a repair of about $60. If I had bought service agreements for the past 20 years at $50 (probably a low estimate) I could have bought a new machine instead. |
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"Adam Finkelstein" > > Bosch reliability has improved. Buy one with a service agreement. Not very good advice. How much is that service agreement going to cost over the expected life of the machine? My last DW lasted 20 years and had a repair of about $60. If I had bought service agreements for the past 20 years at $50 (probably a low estimate) I could have bought a new machine instead. |
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On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 17:53:37 -0400, Don Wiss >
wrote: > So I logged into the Consumer Reports site and found their dishwasher >repair history Consumer Reports' surveys, like any voluntary survey, is barely worth the paper they are printed on. Statistically valid analyses continually show about a 6 to 1 ration of peoples' broadcasting complaints versus compliments. Simplistically, those who are mad bitch, those who are content, don't do very much. Then we add in CR's readership, which is far from resembling any reasonable picture of a valid census distribution, unless you are trying to survey that postulation, what I would guess reflects a rather narrow segment of the dishwasher-owner population. I would further doubt that ownership by brand is even close to the country-wide distribution. Take their surveys with a grain of salt. And their best brand/model choices with about 3 grains of salt. Closely examine their detailed analyses of automobile comparisons for example. I all to often see US car brands show better individual statistics than the CR-beloved Honda/Toyota/Nissan and higher ended clones, yet the overall best choices are almost never US brand cars. Does CR cheat? Is CR being bribed by the Japanese? I would think neither. I'd guess it's preconceived favoritism overweighing their own analyses. _____ "How I wish that somewhere there existed an island for those who are wise and of good will." Albert Einstein _____ Cape Cod Bob Visit my web site at http://home.comcast.net/~bobmethelis Delete the two "spam"s for email |
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On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 17:53:37 -0400, Don Wiss >
wrote: > So I logged into the Consumer Reports site and found their dishwasher >repair history Consumer Reports' surveys, like any voluntary survey, is barely worth the paper they are printed on. Statistically valid analyses continually show about a 6 to 1 ration of peoples' broadcasting complaints versus compliments. Simplistically, those who are mad bitch, those who are content, don't do very much. Then we add in CR's readership, which is far from resembling any reasonable picture of a valid census distribution, unless you are trying to survey that postulation, what I would guess reflects a rather narrow segment of the dishwasher-owner population. I would further doubt that ownership by brand is even close to the country-wide distribution. Take their surveys with a grain of salt. And their best brand/model choices with about 3 grains of salt. Closely examine their detailed analyses of automobile comparisons for example. I all to often see US car brands show better individual statistics than the CR-beloved Honda/Toyota/Nissan and higher ended clones, yet the overall best choices are almost never US brand cars. Does CR cheat? Is CR being bribed by the Japanese? I would think neither. I'd guess it's preconceived favoritism overweighing their own analyses. _____ "How I wish that somewhere there existed an island for those who are wise and of good will." Albert Einstein _____ Cape Cod Bob Visit my web site at http://home.comcast.net/~bobmethelis Delete the two "spam"s for email |
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In news:rec.food.equipment, "Edwin Pawlowski" > posted on Thu,
02 Sep 2004 23:45:28 GMT: > Over a period of many years, I've had a couple of Kitchen Aid machines. > Last one was 20 years old and was starting to go, so we got another KA. Does > a very good job of cleaning. Paid just over $100 for the top of the line. I'd like to get a commercial dishwasher -- one that'll wash and sanitize a load of dishes in two minutes. Are there any such items for the home? And $100 for a Kitchen Aid dishwasher? That's fairly remarkable. That costs less than one of their stand mixers. |
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In news:rec.food.equipment, "Edwin Pawlowski" > posted on Thu,
02 Sep 2004 23:45:28 GMT: > Over a period of many years, I've had a couple of Kitchen Aid machines. > Last one was 20 years old and was starting to go, so we got another KA. Does > a very good job of cleaning. Paid just over $100 for the top of the line. I'd like to get a commercial dishwasher -- one that'll wash and sanitize a load of dishes in two minutes. Are there any such items for the home? And $100 for a Kitchen Aid dishwasher? That's fairly remarkable. That costs less than one of their stand mixers. |
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"Damaeus" > wrote in message > > And $100 for a Kitchen Aid dishwasher? That's fairly remarkable. That > costs less than one of their stand mixers. Yes, but I can only wash two dishes and a fork at the same time at that price. For the model with two rack and capability for all the dishes, they wanted $1,000. Damned zeros. Can never find them when you need them. |
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"Damaeus" > wrote in message > > And $100 for a Kitchen Aid dishwasher? That's fairly remarkable. That > costs less than one of their stand mixers. Yes, but I can only wash two dishes and a fork at the same time at that price. For the model with two rack and capability for all the dishes, they wanted $1,000. Damned zeros. Can never find them when you need them. |
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Damaeus > wrote in
: > In news:rec.food.equipment, "Edwin Pawlowski" > posted on > Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:45:28 GMT: > >> Over a period of many years, I've had a couple of Kitchen Aid >> machines. Last one was 20 years old and was starting to go, so we got >> another KA. Does a very good job of cleaning. Paid just over $100 for >> the top of the line. > > I'd like to get a commercial dishwasher -- one that'll wash and > sanitize a load of dishes in two minutes. Are there any such items > for the home? Not exactly, but Hobart does make a commercial under-counter style that will do that, albeit, you will probably need a variety of removable racks to handle different items. They just aren't built like domestic models. You also need to plan space for a reservoir and pump that holds the cleaning/sanitizing solution. I don't believe it fits under the unit. > And $100 for a Kitchen Aid dishwasher? That's fairly remarkable. > That costs less than one of their stand mixers. -- Wayne in Phoenix unmunge as w-e-b *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. |
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Damaeus > wrote in
: > In news:rec.food.equipment, "Edwin Pawlowski" > posted on > Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:45:28 GMT: > >> Over a period of many years, I've had a couple of Kitchen Aid >> machines. Last one was 20 years old and was starting to go, so we got >> another KA. Does a very good job of cleaning. Paid just over $100 for >> the top of the line. > > I'd like to get a commercial dishwasher -- one that'll wash and > sanitize a load of dishes in two minutes. Are there any such items > for the home? Not exactly, but Hobart does make a commercial under-counter style that will do that, albeit, you will probably need a variety of removable racks to handle different items. They just aren't built like domestic models. You also need to plan space for a reservoir and pump that holds the cleaning/sanitizing solution. I don't believe it fits under the unit. > And $100 for a Kitchen Aid dishwasher? That's fairly remarkable. > That costs less than one of their stand mixers. -- Wayne in Phoenix unmunge as w-e-b *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. |
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Damaeus > wrote in
: > In news:rec.food.equipment, "Edwin Pawlowski" > posted on > Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:45:28 GMT: > >> Over a period of many years, I've had a couple of Kitchen Aid >> machines. Last one was 20 years old and was starting to go, so we got >> another KA. Does a very good job of cleaning. Paid just over $100 for >> the top of the line. > > I'd like to get a commercial dishwasher -- one that'll wash and > sanitize a load of dishes in two minutes. Are there any such items > for the home? Here's an example of a Hobart. A bit pricey at $3600. http://www.bigtray.com/productdetail...0&sku=HOBLXIC5 &s=hobart+dishwashers+Undercounter&rn=1 > And $100 for a Kitchen Aid dishwasher? That's fairly remarkable. > That costs less than one of their stand mixers. -- Wayne in Phoenix unmunge as w-e-b *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. |
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Damaeus > wrote in
: > In news:rec.food.equipment, "Edwin Pawlowski" > posted on > Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:45:28 GMT: > >> Over a period of many years, I've had a couple of Kitchen Aid >> machines. Last one was 20 years old and was starting to go, so we got >> another KA. Does a very good job of cleaning. Paid just over $100 for >> the top of the line. > > I'd like to get a commercial dishwasher -- one that'll wash and > sanitize a load of dishes in two minutes. Are there any such items > for the home? Here's an example of a Hobart. A bit pricey at $3600. http://www.bigtray.com/productdetail...0&sku=HOBLXIC5 &s=hobart+dishwashers+Undercounter&rn=1 > And $100 for a Kitchen Aid dishwasher? That's fairly remarkable. > That costs less than one of their stand mixers. -- Wayne in Phoenix unmunge as w-e-b *If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. *A mind is a terrible thing to lose. |
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In news:rec.food.equipment, Wayne > posted on Thu, 09
Sep 2004 03:54:23 GMT: > Here's an example of a Hobart. A bit pricey at $3600. > > http://www.bigtray.com/productdetail...0&sku=HOBLXIC5 > &s=hobart+dishwashers+Undercounter&rn=1 Well, I guess when my ship comes in. I've seen it come in before, but it usually sinks before it makes it to shore. Damaeus |
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