On Feb 16, 9:38 pm, Mark A.Meggs wrote:

Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?

I've got an old K45SS. That's the smallest KA made. Size isn't a big
deal for dough mixing. You simply get another bowl and split the dough
into batches. It's easy. The extra bowl is quite useful, quite cheap
and the machine is consistently less stressed. My unit is 24 years
old, puts out six loaves a week, every week.

Now I know you didn't ask this... but... if you're dying to spend some
cash, consider the grain mill attachment and the pasta rollers
instead. Both are incredibly useful. Milling is a THE bread baking
adjunct. Once you GROK grain, (and there's vast potential there) the
size of your mixer will be insignificant.

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:43:49 -0600, Janet Wilder
wrote:

Mark A.Meggs wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:22:52 -0600, Janet Wilder
wrote:

Mark A.Meggs wrote:
I'm getting backing into baking bread. I'm currently using my
KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.

I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
pounds each). WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
climbing above the top of the bowl.

I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
as sturdy as the KitchenAid.

Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?

Thanks in advance!

- Mark

I use my hands. There is no machine that can tell me when the dough
feels right.

Using hands also has the benefit of a small workout, relief of stress
and anxiety and very low electricity consumption g

I know this is going to make me sound like an ass, but why did you
waste your time and mine with this non-answer to the question I
actually asked?

- Mark

Because my hands work better than an electric machine, especially when
mixing such a big recipe. I make a double challah recipe often and I use
about 7 cups of flower. I mix by hand in a huge plastic bowl and find it
is a lot easier and, in the long run, faster than battling with a machine.

You did not specify you wanted a recommendation for a machine.

Yes I did - "I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart
capacity, and just as sturdy as my KitchenAid." That is clearly
refering to a machine. My subject line is also a clear reference to a
machine.

BTW - I do knead the dough at the end. I use the machine to do the
initial mixing.

Sorry I
touched a nerve. Maybe you should try kneading some dough and putting
some of your anger into it. Might make you feel better.

Some people will never understand Usenet.

I've been using Usenet since the 80's.

Enjoy your baking! I'm trying to decide if I'm to experiment with a
barley/wheat bread today.

- Mark

On Feb 16, 9:38*pm, Mark A.Meggs wrote:
I'm getting backing into baking bread. * I'm currently using my
KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.

I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
pounds each). *WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
climbing above the top of the bowl.

I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
as sturdy as the KitchenAid.

Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?

Thanks in advance!

- Mark

You like the kitchenaid, and want 6 quarts.
Why not get the 6 quart kitchenaid? ??

Pierre

On Feb 18, 11:45*am, Mark A.Meggs wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:43:49 -0600, Janet Wilder





wrote:
Mark A.Meggs wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:22:52 -0600, Janet Wilder
wrote:

Mark A.Meggs wrote:
I'm getting backing into baking bread. * I'm currently using my
KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.

I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
pounds each). *WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
climbing above the top of the bowl.

I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
as sturdy as the KitchenAid.

Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?

Thanks in advance!

- Mark

I use my hands. There is no machine that can tell me when the dough
feels right.

Using hands also has the benefit of a small workout, relief of stress
and anxiety and very low electricity consumption g

I know this is going to make me sound like an ass, but why did you
waste your time and mine with this non-answer to the question I
actually asked?

- Mark

Because my hands work better than an electric machine, especially when
mixing such a big recipe. I make a double challah recipe often and I use
about 7 cups of flower. I mix by hand in a huge plastic bowl and find it
is a lot easier and, in the long run, faster than battling with a machine..

You did not specify you wanted a recommendation for a machine.

Yes I did - "I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart
capacity, and just as sturdy as my KitchenAid." *That is clearly
refering to a machine. *My subject line is also a clear reference to a
machine.

Mark, you like the kitchenaids and want a 6 quart capacity.
So go with the KA 6 quart machine.

Susan

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:37:07 -0500, Kenneth
wrote:

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 22:41:51 -0500, Mark A.Meggs
wrote:

BUT, THAT ISN'T WHAT I ASKED ABOUT! If she
couldn't respond to my question, why answer at all?

Hi again,

I will explain it a bit more directly than I had:

She was not responding only to you.

I asked the question! If Janet didn't have an answer relevant to my
question, she should have ignored it or started a new thread.

She was offering her opinion about your post to all the many
people who read them.

I didn't ask for an opinion about hand kneading vs machine mixing. If
I had, her response would have been welcomed. She wasn't responding
to "the group". She was responding to me in a public forum.


Please feel free to ignore her comment (and, of course,
mine.)

All the best,

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:55:04 -0800 (PST), Susan
wrote:

On Feb 16, 9:38*pm, Mark A.Meggs wrote:
I'm getting backing into baking bread. * I'm currently using my
KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.

I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
pounds each). *WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
climbing above the top of the bowl.

I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
as sturdy as the KitchenAid.

Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?

Thanks in advance!

- Mark

You like the kitchenaid, and want 6 quarts.
Why not get the 6 quart kitchenaid? ??

Pierre


That is one of the options. Since KA is the only thing I have
experience with, I was hoping to get some information on others.

Thanks!

- Mark

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:27:40 -0800 (PST), Will
wrote:

On Feb 16, 9:38 pm, Mark A.Meggs wrote:

Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?

I've got an old K45SS. That's the smallest KA made. Size isn't a big
deal for dough mixing. You simply get another bowl and split the dough
into batches. It's easy. The extra bowl is quite useful, quite cheap
and the machine is consistently less stressed. My unit is 24 years
old, puts out six loaves a week, every week.

Now I know you didn't ask this... but... if you're dying to spend some
cash, consider the grain mill attachment and the pasta rollers
instead. Both are incredibly useful. Milling is a THE bread baking
adjunct. Once you GROK grain, (and there's vast potential there) the
size of your mixer will be insignificant.

I've been considering grinding my grain too. However, I was looking
at the mills that Lehman's has.

http://www.lehmans.com/shopping/sear...ord=grain+mill

- Mark

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:45:09 -0500, Mark A.Meggs
wrote:

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 20:43:49 -0600, Janet Wilder
wrote:

Mark A.Meggs wrote:
On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 14:22:52 -0600, Janet Wilder
wrote:

Mark A.Meggs wrote:
I'm getting backing into baking bread. I'm currently using my
KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.

I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
pounds each). WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
climbing above the top of the bowl.

I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
as sturdy as the KitchenAid.

Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?

Thanks in advance!

- Mark

I use my hands. There is no machine that can tell me when the dough
feels right.

Using hands also has the benefit of a small workout, relief of stress
and anxiety and very low electricity consumption g

I know this is going to make me sound like an ass, but why did you
waste your time and mine with this non-answer to the question I
actually asked?

- Mark

Because my hands work better than an electric machine, especially when
mixing such a big recipe. I make a double challah recipe often and I use
about 7 cups of flower. I mix by hand in a huge plastic bowl and find it
is a lot easier and, in the long run, faster than battling with a machine.

You did not specify you wanted a recommendation for a machine.

Yes I did - "I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart
capacity, and just as sturdy as my KitchenAid." That is clearly
refering to a machine. My subject line is also a clear reference to a
machine.

BTW - I do knead the dough at the end. I use the machine to do the
initial mixing.

Sorry I
touched a nerve. Maybe you should try kneading some dough and putting
some of your anger into it. Might make you feel better.

Some people will never understand Usenet.

I've been using Usenet since the 80's.

FWIW - I've been using using Usenet so long that I remember THE
origianl spam. The Siegel and Cantor green card spam.


Enjoy your baking! I'm trying to decide if I'm to experiment with a
barley/wheat bread today.

- Mark

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:24:25 -0500, Mark A.Meggs
wrote:

I've been considering grinding my grain too. However, I was looking
at the mills that Lehman's has.

http://www.lehmans.com/shopping/sear...ord=grain+mill

- Mark

Hi Mark,

I have been using their Diamant for more than twenty years,
and love it. Unfortunately, the price has gone through the
roof.

Prior to that time, I used the Bell mill on the lower right
of the picture you provide. It is the red one, and, for some
reason, they seem not to mention the brand.

It also worked well, though somewhat less uniform in the
product. Also, its capacity was far lower, and it could not
be easily motorized.

All the best,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:17:46 -0500, Mark A.Meggs
wrote:

That is one of the options. Since KA is the only thing I have
experience with, I was hoping to get some information on others.

Thanks!

- Mark

Hi again Mark,

If you are not in a hurry, consider looking (and waiting)
for a used Hobart. They are of the same apparent design as
the KA machines but under the skin are completely different.

If you are lucky, you might be able to find a cheap one, and
they are really great.

All the best,
--
Kenneth

If you email... Please remove the "SPAMLESS."

Mark A.Meggs wrote:


I've been using Usenet since the 80's.

So why did you get so upset?

I've only been on Usenet since the early 1990s, but I've learned that it
takes all kinds to make a thread interesting and unless someone is
throwing flames, I take all the little stuff with a grain of salt.
Someone once referred to it as sifting through the dog poop for the
nuggets of chocolate. g

Some of the best info sharing in the world comes from Usenet
groups....and some of the strangest personality quirks g
--
Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:24:25 -0500, Mark A.Meggs
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:27:40 -0800 (PST), Will
wrote:
Now I know you didn't ask this... but... if you're dying to spend some
cash, consider the grain mill attachment and the pasta rollers
instead. Both are incredibly useful. Milling is a THE bread baking
adjunct. Once you GROK grain, (and there's vast potential there) the
size of your mixer will be insignificant.

I've been considering grinding my grain too. [cut]

So, if Janet had prefaced her comments with "Now I know you didn't ask
this," would you still have replied so angrily?

Honestly, when someone offers a comment that seems off topic,
frequently that comment is worth considering. I've learned a lot this
way, through serendipitous reading.

I'm sure you're now going to reply that Janet said nothing that
expanded your body of knowledge, but as Kenneth pointed out, Usenet is
a very fluid dynamic medium with unexpected potential, so even if it
didn't benefit YOU (O Poster Who Started the Thread), it could benefit
someone else. That's why I read Usenet. I never know what I might
learn!

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 00:08:42 GMT, KLS wrote:

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:24:25 -0500, Mark A.Meggs
wrote:

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:27:40 -0800 (PST), Will
wrote:
Now I know you didn't ask this... but... if you're dying to spend some
cash, consider the grain mill attachment and the pasta rollers
instead. Both are incredibly useful. Milling is a THE bread baking
adjunct. Once you GROK grain, (and there's vast potential there) the
size of your mixer will be insignificant.

I've been considering grinding my grain too. [cut]

So, if Janet had prefaced her comments with "Now I know you didn't ask
this," would you still have replied so angrily?

Angry - never was. Peeved - was and still am. I asked for advice
based on experience re machines that can mix the ingredients for
bread.. In response, Janet offered her opinion that hand kneading is
better than machine mixing.


Honestly, when someone offers a comment that seems off topic,
frequently that comment is worth considering.

I don't believe I've ever said anything to indicate otherwise.

I've learned a lot this way, through serendipitous reading.

So have I.!

I'm sure you're now going to reply that Janet said nothing that
expanded your body of knowledge, but as Kenneth pointed out, Usenet is
a very fluid dynamic medium with unexpected potential, so even if it
didn't benefit YOU (O Poster Who Started the Thread), it could benefit
someone else. That's why I read Usenet. I never know what I might
learn!

Janet was responding to my question. I would appreciate it if her
response addressed my question.

-Mark

Mark A.Meggs wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:55:04 -0800 (PST), Susan
wrote:

On Feb 16, 9:38 pm, Mark A.Meggs wrote:
I'm getting backing into baking bread. I'm currently using my
KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.

I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
pounds each). WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
climbing above the top of the bowl.

I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
as sturdy as the KitchenAid.

Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?

Thanks in advance!

- Mark
You like the kitchenaid, and want 6 quarts.
Why not get the 6 quart kitchenaid? ??

Pierre


That is one of the options. Since KA is the only thing I have
experience with, I was hoping to get some information on others.

Thanks!

- Mark

There is a function on Google that lets one search newsgroups to find
posts from the past. Some people use it to avoid barging into
newsgroups and irritating people by expecting them to drop everything
and provide free consulting.

Perhaps you should consider using that function as part of your
information gathering, especially since you seem to have exacting
requirements for the answers.

It is not as if the subject of mixers hasn't been discussed often in
this group.

On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 19:40:30 -0600, Del Cecchi
wrote:

Mark A.Meggs wrote:
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:55:04 -0800 (PST), Susan
wrote:

On Feb 16, 9:38 pm, Mark A.Meggs wrote:
I'm getting backing into baking bread. I'm currently using my
KitchenAid mixer with a 4.5 quart bowl to mix/knead the dough.

I'd like to make enough dough for 2 largish loaves (9x5 pans, 1.5 to 2
pounds each). WhenI try this with the KitchenAid, the dough starts
climbing above the top of the bowl.

I'm thinking I need something with about a 6 quart capacity, and just
as sturdy as the KitchenAid.

Does any one have suggestions - preferably based on experience?

Thanks in advance!

- Mark
You like the kitchenaid, and want 6 quarts.
Why not get the 6 quart kitchenaid? ??

Pierre


That is one of the options. Since KA is the only thing I have
experience with, I was hoping to get some information on others.

Thanks!

- Mark

There is a function on Google that lets one search newsgroups to find
posts from the past. Some people use it to avoid barging into
newsgroups and irritating people by expecting them to drop everything
and provide free consulting.

If you have confined yourself to using Google for Usenet access, I
truly feel for you. Google groups is so separated from Usenet that I
can't begin to describe it.


Perhaps you should consider using that function as part of your
information gathering, especially since you seem to have exacting
requirements for the answers.

It is not as if the subject of mixers hasn't been discussed often in
this group.

- Mark