Hello,

I'm a new subscriber to this group. I am happy to be able to associate
with other coffee lovers. I am wondering - is there a consensus on the
absolute BEST coffee maker on the market? I have noticed that coffee
made in comercial makes seems to taste better, is that because the
water is hotter?
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The best coffe maker on the Market is the Technivorm. Only 1 approved
by the scaa.

The best coffe maker on the Market is the Technivorm. Only 1 approved
by the scaa.

On 2004-12-26 said:
Newsgroups: rec.food.drink.coffee
The best coffe maker on the Market is the Technivorm. Only 1
approved by the scaa.


Yeah, Right!
Let's see, now. I looked at that Technivorm last April in the Boyd's Coffee
booth at the SCAA convention in Atlanta. It reminded me of a comparatively
flimsy attempt to emulate the design that Bunn has been using for their home
brewers recently. Compared to the solid construction of the Bunn BT-10T
home model with the cooking-pot style steel thermal carafe, I'd say the
solidly-made Bunn is the proverbial tank, and the sleek, slightly
lower-profile Technivorm is one of those unarmored HMMV's that Georgia
soldier was complaining about a couple of weeks ago in Kuwait when Sec.
Defense Rumsfeld dropped in for a visit and photo op.

The flimsy construction and the Bunnish design of the Technivorm definitely
scared me away from the product, as if the outrageously high price wouldn't
have been enough to do it. I think the Technivorm is way overpriced at half
the price, and with the recent position of our Dollar against the Euro, the
Technivorm is probably even more unrealistically priced now than it was back
in April, 2004.

I'll put any model in the Braun FlavorSelect line of drip coffeemakers, or
the new Presto machine, or even a couple models in the Krups line against
that Technivorm any old day, and the price difference would allow you to buy
three, four, or even five each of some of those other models as opposed to
one technivorm. As for the Bunn machines, I've only had one decent cup of
coffee from any Bunn machine, home or commercial model, in, maybe the last
30 years, and I actually have one of those new 10-cup thermal carafe BT-10T
models. Some readers of these coffee newsgroups were there when I acquired
that one.

NOw, I'll freely admit that I have not had a cup of coffee brewed in a
Technivorm, so I can't pass judgment yet on the quality of output from the
machine. Even so, I don't like the design, the flimsy materials used in
much of its construction, or the shape of the carafe. I think it would be a
much less pleasant machine to use and live with every day than would the
Braun or Presto machines, or most other models designed similarly to those.
To get me to put up with its design flaws, it would need to be able to brew
up one hell of a great coffee, indeed, and the Bunn-like aspects of its
design make me very skeptical based on my years of experiences with coffee
output from Bunn machines.

Brent Reynolds, Atlanta, GA USA
Phone: 1-404-814-0768

I don't know the technivorm--the Bunn is a great machine--but my
personal favorite is the Bodum Santos Electric Vacuume Brewer. It
makes great coffee!! My only wish is that it had several strength
settings which it does not. It is a unique system that consistantly
delivers good coffee.

In article .com,
"Mark" wrote:

I don't know the technivorm--the Bunn is a great machine--but my
personal favorite is the Bodum Santos Electric Vacuume Brewer. It
makes great coffee!! My only wish is that it had several strength
settings which it does not. It is a unique system that consistantly
delivers good coffee.

Strength settings? Why not vary the quantity of coffee you add?

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In article .com,
"Mark" wrote:

I don't know the technivorm--the Bunn is a great machine--but my
personal favorite is the Bodum Santos Electric Vacuume Brewer. It
makes great coffee!! My only wish is that it had several strength
settings which it does not. It is a unique system that consistantly
delivers good coffee.

Strength settings? Why not vary the quantity of coffee you add?

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On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 07:49:01 -0800, Mark wrote:

I don't know the technivorm--the Bunn is a great machine--but my personal
favorite is the Bodum Santos Electric Vacuume Brewer. It makes great
coffee!! My only wish is that it had several strength settings which it
does not. It is a unique system that consistantly delivers good coffee.

A related question from a new subscriber (located in Australia).

I have used the Bodum (non-electric) Vacuum Brewer with great success
for about 3 years. It makes great coffee.

But the advice is to make a full pot in order to get the full flavour
- which degenerates (reportedly) after about 10 minutes.

And 8 cups is more than I can manage to drink at one sitting.

An alternative is the Yama Coffee Brewer - marketed in the US by
Sweet Maria. And possibly others. It is smaller, cheaper and makes
just the right amount of coffee for one.

But it is made in Taiwan and designed for delicate Chinese hands. I
have managed to break the receiving bowl of two.

And I have searched in vain - so far - for anyone who is willing to
sell replacement parts. A query to Sweet Maria about replacement
parts (sent last Christmas) is still unanswered.

Is there a subscriber to this NG who can point me in the right
direction?

Felix Karpfen


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It is always funny for me to read about someone trying to find the best
coffee maker. Best of course means different things to different people.
Some want a stylish pot, others want one that functions seamlessly, while
still others want speed. Personally, it is all about taste to me, taste
and ease of use.

My preferred taste pot is a Faberware $19 Linens N Things stovetop
percolator. I do not think that any technology available has improved
upon this simplest of coffee brewing methods.

As a biologist, I am keenly aware of the extensive use of plastic elements
in all automatic drip coffee makers. It seems that if you heat plastic it
bleeds into the coffee. Some people can even taste it. I can, but that
is not my main worry, my concern is the healthful nature of the coffee I
am drinking. I don’t want the chemicals that are given off when the
plastic is over heated or when it is old. The engineers understand this
oh too well also, so they design the auto drips in such a way as to keep
the temperature lower. Their heat restricting designs tend to undercook
coffee, giving a bland, less than full bodied weak cup of java. The all
popular Starbucks taste came as a result of over cooking African beans
which are naturally bitter. The same result can be had in a fool proof
way with any modern stovetop percolator. I do not like the plug ins
because the elements are cheap and heat unevenly leading to poor coffee.
A stove on the other hand is designed to do a much better job, taking
advantage of the stove technology. My own stove, and electric, has auto
simmer and does a perfect job in the 7 minutes required for the perfect
cup. What I like most is that I can get the worst coffee and it tastes
like the best auto drip, or better, it tastes as good or better than
starbucks! Oh, and I love this, the whole room smells like coffee as it
brews.

stovetoper wrote:

It is always funny for me to read about someone trying to find the best
coffee maker. Best of course means different things to different people.
Some want a stylish pot, others want one that functions seamlessly, while
still others want speed. Personally, it is all about taste to me, taste
and ease of use.

My preferred taste pot is a Faberware $19 Linens N Things stovetop
percolator. I do not think that any technology available has improved
upon this simplest of coffee brewing methods.

As a biologist, I am keenly aware of the extensive use of plastic elements
in all automatic drip coffee makers. It seems that if you heat plastic it
bleeds into the coffee. Some people can even taste it. I can, but that
is not my main worry, my concern is the healthful nature of the coffee I
am drinking. I don’t want the chemicals that are given off when the
plastic is over heated or when it is old. The engineers understand this
oh too well also, so they design the auto drips in such a way as to keep
the temperature lower. Their heat restricting designs tend to undercook
coffee, giving a bland, less than full bodied weak cup of java. The all
popular Starbucks taste came as a result of over cooking African beans
which are naturally bitter. The same result can be had in a fool proof
way with any modern stovetop percolator. I do not like the plug ins
because the elements are cheap and heat unevenly leading to poor coffee.
A stove on the other hand is designed to do a much better job, taking
advantage of the stove technology. My own stove, and electric, has auto
simmer and does a perfect job in the 7 minutes required for the perfect
cup. What I like most is that I can get the worst coffee and it tastes
like the best auto drip, or better, it tastes as good or better than
starbucks! Oh, and I love this, the whole room smells like coffee as it
brews.

Please tell me that this is a troll.

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stovetoper wrote:
It is always funny for me to read about someone trying to find the best
coffee maker. Best of course means different things to different people.
Some want a stylish pot, others want one that functions seamlessly, while
still others want speed. Personally, it is all about taste to me, taste
and ease of use.

My preferred taste pot is a Faberware $19 Linens N Things stovetop
percolator. I do not think that any technology available has improved
upon this simplest of coffee brewing methods.

As a biologist, I am keenly aware of the extensive use of plastic elements
in all automatic drip coffee makers. It seems that if you heat plastic it
bleeds into the coffee. Some people can even taste it. I can, but that
is not my main worry, my concern is the healthful nature of the coffee I
am drinking. I don't want the chemicals that are given off when the
plastic is over heated or when it is old. The engineers understand this
oh too well also, so they design the auto drips in such a way as to keep
the temperature lower. Their heat restricting designs tend to undercook
coffee, giving a bland, less than full bodied weak cup of java. The all
popular Starbucks taste came as a result of over cooking African beans
which are naturally bitter. The same result can be had in a fool proof
way with any modern stovetop percolator. I do not like the plug ins
because the elements are cheap and heat unevenly leading to poor coffee.
A stove on the other hand is designed to do a much better job, taking
advantage of the stove technology. My own stove, and electric, has auto
simmer and does a perfect job in the 7 minutes required for the perfect
cup. What I like most is that I can get the worst coffee and it tastes
like the best auto drip, or better, it tastes as good or better than
starbucks! Oh, and I love this, the whole room smells like coffee as it
brews.

The shell is 18/10 stainless. Can you confirm what the filter and other
parts are made off? Most of the time the fliter and rod of a perc
machine are aluminum.

In article
outdrinks.com,
"stovetoper" wrote:

My preferred taste pot is a Faberware $19 Linens N Things stovetop
percolator. I do not think that any technology available has improved
upon this simplest of coffee brewing methods.

Well, if you like terrible coffee, then yes, a percolator is the way to
go.

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