I have noticed a large number of Gaggia machines offered on ebay over
the last few days. They all seem to be offered by a few sellers who
have been members of ebay for just a few days. They all have zero
feedback. The sellers claim to be located in PA, WI, IN and CA.
Their names are strange: sybosyl, dyvab, hitarav, wevedyd, nixenyf.
(Are these sellers on this list to defend themselves?)

Of course these are warning signs of potential fraud. But the prices
on their machines may be lower because of their lack of feedback and
the oversupply of machines they listed simultaneously. Would you take
a risk here? I've read about buyer protection on the ebay site. But
how does it work in practice?

Your thoughts please.

Thanks,


Ted

I noticed this as well
Also they seem to be ending (meaning they were listed) within minutes of
each other - seems odd

Ted M wrote:

I have noticed a large number of Gaggia machines offered on ebay over
the last few days. They all seem to be offered by a few sellers who
have been members of ebay for just a few days. They all have zero
feedback. The sellers claim to be located in PA, WI, IN and CA.
Their names are strange: sybosyl, dyvab, hitarav, wevedyd, nixenyf.
(Are these sellers on this list to defend themselves?)

Of course these are warning signs of potential fraud. But the prices
on their machines may be lower because of their lack of feedback and
the oversupply of machines they listed simultaneously. Would you take
a risk here? I've read about buyer protection on the ebay site. But
how does it work in practice?

Your thoughts please.

Thanks,


Ted

I noticed this as well
Also they seem to be ending (meaning they were listed) within minutes of
each other - seems odd

Ted M wrote:

I have noticed a large number of Gaggia machines offered on ebay over
the last few days. They all seem to be offered by a few sellers who
have been members of ebay for just a few days. They all have zero
feedback. The sellers claim to be located in PA, WI, IN and CA.
Their names are strange: sybosyl, dyvab, hitarav, wevedyd, nixenyf.
(Are these sellers on this list to defend themselves?)

Of course these are warning signs of potential fraud. But the prices
on their machines may be lower because of their lack of feedback and
the oversupply of machines they listed simultaneously. Would you take
a risk here? I've read about buyer protection on the ebay site. But
how does it work in practice?

Your thoughts please.

Thanks,


Ted

This fact pattern stinks loudly of ebay scam . Run, do not walk to the
nearest exit. If you have bid, cancel it. If you've "won", don't send any
money.


Don't depend on "buyer protection" - presumably you want to buy an espresso
machine and not a lengthy claims process to recover your own money, and your
chances of ever getting an espresso machine from one of these "sellers" is
close to zero.

Someone should notify ebay immediately of the suspicious nature of these
sellers. Although they don't appear to have done anything wrong YET, it
appears to be only a matter of time before they harvest some money from the
unwary. The images and I assume the descriptions are from the Amazon site,
another sign that the "seller" has never actually seen one. If you look at
their other auctions, they are not only "selling" Gaggias, but Amazon's
whole lineup - Capresso , FF, etc.

They don't have to be concerned that the machines are going cheap due to low
feedback, as they ain't sending none anyway. Whatever money you send is pure
profit to this scammer - potentially many thousands of dollars.



"Ted M" wrote in message
om...
I have noticed a large number of Gaggia machines offered on ebay over
the last few days. They all seem to be offered by a few sellers who
have been members of ebay for just a few days. They all have zero
feedback. The sellers claim to be located in PA, WI, IN and CA.
Their names are strange: sybosyl, dyvab, hitarav, wevedyd, nixenyf.
(Are these sellers on this list to defend themselves?)

Of course these are warning signs of potential fraud. But the prices
on their machines may be lower because of their lack of feedback and
the oversupply of machines they listed simultaneously. Would you take
a risk here? I've read about buyer protection on the ebay site. But
how does it work in practice?

Your thoughts please.

Thanks,


Ted

This fact pattern stinks loudly of ebay scam . Run, do not walk to the
nearest exit. If you have bid, cancel it. If you've "won", don't send any
money.


Don't depend on "buyer protection" - presumably you want to buy an espresso
machine and not a lengthy claims process to recover your own money, and your
chances of ever getting an espresso machine from one of these "sellers" is
close to zero.

Someone should notify ebay immediately of the suspicious nature of these
sellers. Although they don't appear to have done anything wrong YET, it
appears to be only a matter of time before they harvest some money from the
unwary. The images and I assume the descriptions are from the Amazon site,
another sign that the "seller" has never actually seen one. If you look at
their other auctions, they are not only "selling" Gaggias, but Amazon's
whole lineup - Capresso , FF, etc.

They don't have to be concerned that the machines are going cheap due to low
feedback, as they ain't sending none anyway. Whatever money you send is pure
profit to this scammer - potentially many thousands of dollars.



"Ted M" wrote in message
om...
I have noticed a large number of Gaggia machines offered on ebay over
the last few days. They all seem to be offered by a few sellers who
have been members of ebay for just a few days. They all have zero
feedback. The sellers claim to be located in PA, WI, IN and CA.
Their names are strange: sybosyl, dyvab, hitarav, wevedyd, nixenyf.
(Are these sellers on this list to defend themselves?)

Of course these are warning signs of potential fraud. But the prices
on their machines may be lower because of their lack of feedback and
the oversupply of machines they listed simultaneously. Would you take
a risk here? I've read about buyer protection on the ebay site. But
how does it work in practice?

Your thoughts please.

Thanks,


Ted

I would guess these sellers are all pseudonyms for the
same person. I wouldn't touch them is used. If new, I would
be careful how I paid.

Basically, you have a significant chance of fraud.
Is the savings worth the hassle and possible loss? That is
a personal decision.

Jon

jgullam wrote:
I noticed this as well
Also they seem to be ending (meaning they were listed) within minutes of
each other - seems odd

Ted M wrote:

I have noticed a large number of Gaggia machines offered on ebay over
the last few days. They all seem to be offered by a few sellers who
have been members of ebay for just a few days. They all have zero
feedback. The sellers claim to be located in PA, WI, IN and CA. Their
names are strange: sybosyl, dyvab, hitarav, wevedyd, nixenyf.
(Are these sellers on this list to defend themselves?)

Of course these are warning signs of potential fraud. But the prices
on their machines may be lower because of their lack of feedback and
the oversupply of machines they listed simultaneously. Would you take
a risk here? I've read about buyer protection on the ebay site. But
how does it work in practice?

Your thoughts please.
Thanks,


Ted

I would guess these sellers are all pseudonyms for the
same person. I wouldn't touch them is used. If new, I would
be careful how I paid.

Basically, you have a significant chance of fraud.
Is the savings worth the hassle and possible loss? That is
a personal decision.

Jon

jgullam wrote:
I noticed this as well
Also they seem to be ending (meaning they were listed) within minutes of
each other - seems odd

Ted M wrote:

I have noticed a large number of Gaggia machines offered on ebay over
the last few days. They all seem to be offered by a few sellers who
have been members of ebay for just a few days. They all have zero
feedback. The sellers claim to be located in PA, WI, IN and CA. Their
names are strange: sybosyl, dyvab, hitarav, wevedyd, nixenyf.
(Are these sellers on this list to defend themselves?)

Of course these are warning signs of potential fraud. But the prices
on their machines may be lower because of their lack of feedback and
the oversupply of machines they listed simultaneously. Would you take
a risk here? I've read about buyer protection on the ebay site. But
how does it work in practice?

Your thoughts please.
Thanks,


Ted

"Ted M" wrote in message
om...
I have noticed a large number of Gaggia machines offered on ebay over
the last few days. They all seem to be offered by a few sellers who
have been members of ebay for just a few days. They all have zero
feedback. The sellers claim to be located in PA, WI, IN and CA.
Their names are strange: sybosyl, dyvab, hitarav, wevedyd, nixenyf.
(Are these sellers on this list to defend themselves?)

Of course these are warning signs of potential fraud. But the prices
on their machines may be lower because of their lack of feedback and
the oversupply of machines they listed simultaneously. Would you take

Or they fell off the proverbial truck.

a risk here? I've read about buyer protection on the ebay site. But
how does it work in practice?

Your thoughts please.

Thanks,


Ted

"Ted M" wrote in message
om...
I have noticed a large number of Gaggia machines offered on ebay over
the last few days. They all seem to be offered by a few sellers who
have been members of ebay for just a few days. They all have zero
feedback. The sellers claim to be located in PA, WI, IN and CA.
Their names are strange: sybosyl, dyvab, hitarav, wevedyd, nixenyf.
(Are these sellers on this list to defend themselves?)

Of course these are warning signs of potential fraud. But the prices
on their machines may be lower because of their lack of feedback and
the oversupply of machines they listed simultaneously. Would you take

Or they fell off the proverbial truck.

a risk here? I've read about buyer protection on the ebay site. But
how does it work in practice?

Your thoughts please.

Thanks,


Ted

Also be wary of offers from the sellers to those who did not win the auction
to sell the item at a reduced price. A while back there was an eBay scam
involving Krups Superauto machines where the seller requested direct payment
via wire transfer to a bank account in Eastern Europe. It was shut down
pretty quickly. As noted, the best defense is to be cautious.


"Jack Denver" wrote in message
...
This fact pattern stinks loudly of ebay scam . Run, do not walk to the
nearest exit. If you have bid, cancel it. If you've "won", don't send any
money.


Don't depend on "buyer protection" - presumably you want to buy an
espresso
machine and not a lengthy claims process to recover your own money, and
your
chances of ever getting an espresso machine from one of these "sellers" is
close to zero.

Someone should notify ebay immediately of the suspicious nature of these
sellers. Although they don't appear to have done anything wrong YET, it
appears to be only a matter of time before they harvest some money from
the
unwary. The images and I assume the descriptions are from the Amazon site,
another sign that the "seller" has never actually seen one. If you look at
their other auctions, they are not only "selling" Gaggias, but Amazon's
whole lineup - Capresso , FF, etc.

They don't have to be concerned that the machines are going cheap due to
low
feedback, as they ain't sending none anyway. Whatever money you send is
pure
profit to this scammer - potentially many thousands of dollars.



"Ted M" wrote in message
om...
I have noticed a large number of Gaggia machines offered on ebay over
the last few days. They all seem to be offered by a few sellers who
have been members of ebay for just a few days. They all have zero
feedback. The sellers claim to be located in PA, WI, IN and CA.
Their names are strange: sybosyl, dyvab, hitarav, wevedyd, nixenyf.
(Are these sellers on this list to defend themselves?)

Of course these are warning signs of potential fraud. But the prices
on their machines may be lower because of their lack of feedback and
the oversupply of machines they listed simultaneously. Would you take
a risk here? I've read about buyer protection on the ebay site. But
how does it work in practice?

Your thoughts please.

Thanks,


Ted

Also be wary of offers from the sellers to those who did not win the auction
to sell the item at a reduced price. A while back there was an eBay scam
involving Krups Superauto machines where the seller requested direct payment
via wire transfer to a bank account in Eastern Europe. It was shut down
pretty quickly. As noted, the best defense is to be cautious.


"Jack Denver" wrote in message
...
This fact pattern stinks loudly of ebay scam . Run, do not walk to the
nearest exit. If you have bid, cancel it. If you've "won", don't send any
money.


Don't depend on "buyer protection" - presumably you want to buy an
espresso
machine and not a lengthy claims process to recover your own money, and
your
chances of ever getting an espresso machine from one of these "sellers" is
close to zero.

Someone should notify ebay immediately of the suspicious nature of these
sellers. Although they don't appear to have done anything wrong YET, it
appears to be only a matter of time before they harvest some money from
the
unwary. The images and I assume the descriptions are from the Amazon site,
another sign that the "seller" has never actually seen one. If you look at
their other auctions, they are not only "selling" Gaggias, but Amazon's
whole lineup - Capresso , FF, etc.

They don't have to be concerned that the machines are going cheap due to
low
feedback, as they ain't sending none anyway. Whatever money you send is
pure
profit to this scammer - potentially many thousands of dollars.



"Ted M" wrote in message
om...
I have noticed a large number of Gaggia machines offered on ebay over
the last few days. They all seem to be offered by a few sellers who
have been members of ebay for just a few days. They all have zero
feedback. The sellers claim to be located in PA, WI, IN and CA.
Their names are strange: sybosyl, dyvab, hitarav, wevedyd, nixenyf.
(Are these sellers on this list to defend themselves?)

Of course these are warning signs of potential fraud. But the prices
on their machines may be lower because of their lack of feedback and
the oversupply of machines they listed simultaneously. Would you take
a risk here? I've read about buyer protection on the ebay site. But
how does it work in practice?

Your thoughts please.

Thanks,


Ted

In article , Ted8984
@hotmail.com says...
~ I have noticed a large number of Gaggia machines offered on ebay over
~ the last few days. They all seem to be offered by a few sellers who
~ have been members of ebay for just a few days. They all have zero
~ feedback. The sellers claim to be located in PA, WI, IN and CA.
~ Their names are strange: sybosyl, dyvab, hitarav, wevedyd, nixenyf.
~ (Are these sellers on this list to defend themselves?)
~
~ Of course these are warning signs of potential fraud. But the prices
~ on their machines may be lower because of their lack of feedback and
~ the oversupply of machines they listed simultaneously. Would you take
~ a risk here? I've read about buyer protection on the ebay site. But
~ how does it work in practice?
~
Buyer protection works if the item is not delivered, or if the item
delivered is very different from what was advertised. It doesn't
work if the item delivered is the same as advertised but is not in
the condition advertised. I bought a machine advertised as "clean
throughout, mint, perfect working order". It was filthy,
inoperative, scratched and dented. I provided photos to eBay, PayPal
and Square Trade. All the buyer had to do was say he didn't share my
view and wouldn't go to arbitration, and that was the end of it.

I've since reconditioned the machine and it works great, but I
overpaid for it because of the supposedly great condition.

Rick

In article , Ted8984
@hotmail.com says...
~ I have noticed a large number of Gaggia machines offered on ebay over
~ the last few days. They all seem to be offered by a few sellers who
~ have been members of ebay for just a few days. They all have zero
~ feedback. The sellers claim to be located in PA, WI, IN and CA.
~ Their names are strange: sybosyl, dyvab, hitarav, wevedyd, nixenyf.
~ (Are these sellers on this list to defend themselves?)
~
~ Of course these are warning signs of potential fraud. But the prices
~ on their machines may be lower because of their lack of feedback and
~ the oversupply of machines they listed simultaneously. Would you take
~ a risk here? I've read about buyer protection on the ebay site. But
~ how does it work in practice?
~
Buyer protection works if the item is not delivered, or if the item
delivered is very different from what was advertised. It doesn't
work if the item delivered is the same as advertised but is not in
the condition advertised. I bought a machine advertised as "clean
throughout, mint, perfect working order". It was filthy,
inoperative, scratched and dented. I provided photos to eBay, PayPal
and Square Trade. All the buyer had to do was say he didn't share my
view and wouldn't go to arbitration, and that was the end of it.

I've since reconditioned the machine and it works great, but I
overpaid for it because of the supposedly great condition.

Rick

No, the scammer would like you to think that. Part of every "con" game is
than the "con" man takes you into his confidence so that the two of you can
"scam" a third party. In fact the only person being scammed is you.

I repeat again, there are no machines, period.

"DFN" wrote in message
...
Or they fell off the proverbial truck.

No, the scammer would like you to think that. Part of every "con" game is
than the "con" man takes you into his confidence so that the two of you can
"scam" a third party. In fact the only person being scammed is you.

I repeat again, there are no machines, period.

"DFN" wrote in message
...
Or they fell off the proverbial truck.