"CSS" wrote in message
k.net...
Here is the text of my correspondence last year when I asked a seller
about
a Krups Superauto offered on eBay:

----- Original Message -----
From: "sdg lhsdr"

Hmm interesting email addy.
Full of hot and stinky air wouldn't you say?

To:
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 11:33 PM
Subject: Question for seller -- Item #2345127475

Hi!
Item is new and sealed in the box. It has all manuals and full warranty. I
have two such items,
I can sell one to you for 320$ including shipping now, without bidding.
Please, e-mail me if you agree to buy it now.
Thank you
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
When I asked about payment and shiiping, I received the following
response:

----- Original Message -----
From: "sdg lhsdr"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 6:48 AM
Subject: Question for seller -- Item #2345127475

Hello.
To pay with wire transfer here are my bank details. It is our European
office,
because I'm at our warehouse in Europe now and will ship item from here
by
express oversea delivery.
It should not matter you, I'll pay additional shipping fee myself.

Account Number: 334158190004
Account Name: IVAN BELAN
Bank Name: AS Sampo Pank
Bank Address: Narva mnt 11,
15015 Tallinn, Estonia
S.W.I.F.T: FORE EE 2X

I pay all the fees, so send them only amount you owe me.
Please, wait untill money come.
You'll get your item in a 3-4 days after the payment. Item is brand new
and factory sealed.
I ship either via UPS or Fedex, tracking number will be send after your
request. Please give me your shipping adress.
Let's not detain each other.
Thank you.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
To which I responded:

Hi-

Thanks for the prompt response. I'll consider your offer. However, as we
have never done business, I would prefer to use an escrow service to
handle
payment. As you have graciously offered to pay for shipping, I am willing
to pay the escrow fees.

If this is acceptable to you, let me know, and I will arrange for payment
via escrow.

regards,

+++++++++

No response, of course. Classic scam.




"Jack Denver" wrote in message
...
The is a classic scam (as I predicted, part II of the scam), usually run
from Romania (where law enforcement is non-existent/paid off by the
scammers, who are part of organized crime there and make big money
doing
this on a mass scale). This one is cruder than most because they didn't
even
bother hijacking the account of someone with high feedback. I think that
they've figured out it doesn't make any difference - people will bid
anyway,
even on zero feedback. And you can generate dozens of 0 feedback
accounts
in
minutes, hijacking a high feedback account takes time and effort (you
have
to run a separate scam where you harvest ebay passwords off phony emails
from ebay "security"). Imagine if hundreds or thousands of these
auctions
could be generated by software "bots" - the whole ebay system could
break
down once the fraudulent auctions exceeded the real ones. As it was, as
of
yesterday a substantial % of the espresso machine auctions were frauds.


And since they don't really speak English, they just hijack the
descriptions from another site. They don't even bother reading them (or
don't understand what is written) so that's why some of the decriptions
(really Amazon reviews) are negative. And yet, that doesn't stop people
from
bidding either.

And, not only can you scam the winners, you can scam every single person
who
bids. This one scam alone could yield tens of thousands of $ if ebay
doesn't
shut the whole thing down and notify all bidders before they send money
(which I doubt they will).

The "send Western Union to a different name" scam is well known. It
turns
out you don't actually need the name, just the confirmation #,
especially
if
the Western Union clerk in Bucharest is getting 10% of the take and/or
the
scammer prints up a fake ID with your friends name on it. As soon as you
send the money to your "best friend", it is picked up immediately.
Western
Union warns you that their service is to be used only for trusted
recipients - it is the equivalent of putting cash in the mail and they
give
you no refunds ever, no buyer protection at all. I like the twist about
not
telling WU that you will be changing the name of the recipient. WU has
been
thru enough fraud complaints that they are now instructed to warn you
about
these scams if you mention this, so the scammer has to get you NOT to
mention it.

I assume (hope) that you notified ebay about this email.


"Tubaman" wrote in message
m...
I'm pretty sure they're all the same person--I used the ebay contact
seller
button and asked them to tell me a little bit more since they were new
and
had no feedback, and in return I recieved the same msg using the same
mail
program (identical quote marks, etc.), identical headers--the only
difference was the actual "from" address--all the emails came from the
same
computer, even though they were supposedly from all over the country.

I inadvertantly bid on one (I was looking at two identical machines,
one
from a seller with feedback, and had too many windows open...) (it was
a
really low bid, though) and as soon as I was out bid, I started
recieving
"have I got a deal for you" emails from the seller offering to sell me
the
machine I was outbid on for much less (direct quote follows):

"Look what I can do for you:-you will make the transfer to my location
but
not to my name(you will use your best friends name for example as
receiver's
name)so you can be sure that i will not pick up the money untill you
get
the
product.So you make a deposit at western union and you will give me
the
transfer's details(SENDER NAME,RECEIVER NAME,MTCN) so i can check that
the
deposit was made. After i verify I will send you the product
imediately
and
email you the tracking number from UPS. -only after you will receive
the
product and check it if it ok you will have to change the of the
transfer
to
my name so i can collect my money...I think it is better to not inform
western union that you will change the receivers name in a few days
because
it is possible they to ask you to pay the fees twice also when you go
to
an
western union office to make the transfer,please don't tell there the
reason
for you send the money because here in this country I must pay somes
aditional taxes when I recive the founds..."

And it goes on... This is a well known method of scamming--they take
the
money and run, and you're left with an empty wallet.

"CSS" wrote in message
k.net...
Here is the text of my correspondence last year when I asked a seller
about
a Krups Superauto offered on eBay:

----- Original Message -----
From: "sdg lhsdr"

Hmm interesting email addy.
Full of hot and stinky air wouldn't you say?

To:
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 11:33 PM
Subject: Question for seller -- Item #2345127475

Hi!
Item is new and sealed in the box. It has all manuals and full warranty. I
have two such items,
I can sell one to you for 320$ including shipping now, without bidding.
Please, e-mail me if you agree to buy it now.
Thank you
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
When I asked about payment and shiiping, I received the following
response:

----- Original Message -----
From: "sdg lhsdr"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 6:48 AM
Subject: Question for seller -- Item #2345127475

Hello.
To pay with wire transfer here are my bank details. It is our European
office,
because I'm at our warehouse in Europe now and will ship item from here
by
express oversea delivery.
It should not matter you, I'll pay additional shipping fee myself.

Account Number: 334158190004
Account Name: IVAN BELAN
Bank Name: AS Sampo Pank
Bank Address: Narva mnt 11,
15015 Tallinn, Estonia
S.W.I.F.T: FORE EE 2X

I pay all the fees, so send them only amount you owe me.
Please, wait untill money come.
You'll get your item in a 3-4 days after the payment. Item is brand new
and factory sealed.
I ship either via UPS or Fedex, tracking number will be send after your
request. Please give me your shipping adress.
Let's not detain each other.
Thank you.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
To which I responded:

Hi-

Thanks for the prompt response. I'll consider your offer. However, as we
have never done business, I would prefer to use an escrow service to
handle
payment. As you have graciously offered to pay for shipping, I am willing
to pay the escrow fees.

If this is acceptable to you, let me know, and I will arrange for payment
via escrow.

regards,

+++++++++

No response, of course. Classic scam.




"Jack Denver" wrote in message
...
The is a classic scam (as I predicted, part II of the scam), usually run
from Romania (where law enforcement is non-existent/paid off by the
scammers, who are part of organized crime there and make big money
doing
this on a mass scale). This one is cruder than most because they didn't
even
bother hijacking the account of someone with high feedback. I think that
they've figured out it doesn't make any difference - people will bid
anyway,
even on zero feedback. And you can generate dozens of 0 feedback
accounts
in
minutes, hijacking a high feedback account takes time and effort (you
have
to run a separate scam where you harvest ebay passwords off phony emails
from ebay "security"). Imagine if hundreds or thousands of these
auctions
could be generated by software "bots" - the whole ebay system could
break
down once the fraudulent auctions exceeded the real ones. As it was, as
of
yesterday a substantial % of the espresso machine auctions were frauds.


And since they don't really speak English, they just hijack the
descriptions from another site. They don't even bother reading them (or
don't understand what is written) so that's why some of the decriptions
(really Amazon reviews) are negative. And yet, that doesn't stop people
from
bidding either.

And, not only can you scam the winners, you can scam every single person
who
bids. This one scam alone could yield tens of thousands of $ if ebay
doesn't
shut the whole thing down and notify all bidders before they send money
(which I doubt they will).

The "send Western Union to a different name" scam is well known. It
turns
out you don't actually need the name, just the confirmation #,
especially
if
the Western Union clerk in Bucharest is getting 10% of the take and/or
the
scammer prints up a fake ID with your friends name on it. As soon as you
send the money to your "best friend", it is picked up immediately.
Western
Union warns you that their service is to be used only for trusted
recipients - it is the equivalent of putting cash in the mail and they
give
you no refunds ever, no buyer protection at all. I like the twist about
not
telling WU that you will be changing the name of the recipient. WU has
been
thru enough fraud complaints that they are now instructed to warn you
about
these scams if you mention this, so the scammer has to get you NOT to
mention it.

I assume (hope) that you notified ebay about this email.


"Tubaman" wrote in message
m...
I'm pretty sure they're all the same person--I used the ebay contact
seller
button and asked them to tell me a little bit more since they were new
and
had no feedback, and in return I recieved the same msg using the same
mail
program (identical quote marks, etc.), identical headers--the only
difference was the actual "from" address--all the emails came from the
same
computer, even though they were supposedly from all over the country.

I inadvertantly bid on one (I was looking at two identical machines,
one
from a seller with feedback, and had too many windows open...) (it was
a
really low bid, though) and as soon as I was out bid, I started
recieving
"have I got a deal for you" emails from the seller offering to sell me
the
machine I was outbid on for much less (direct quote follows):

"Look what I can do for you:-you will make the transfer to my location
but
not to my name(you will use your best friends name for example as
receiver's
name)so you can be sure that i will not pick up the money untill you
get
the
product.So you make a deposit at western union and you will give me
the
transfer's details(SENDER NAME,RECEIVER NAME,MTCN) so i can check that
the
deposit was made. After i verify I will send you the product
imediately
and
email you the tracking number from UPS. -only after you will receive
the
product and check it if it ok you will have to change the of the
transfer
to
my name so i can collect my money...I think it is better to not inform
western union that you will change the receivers name in a few days
because
it is possible they to ask you to pay the fees twice also when you go
to
an
western union office to make the transfer,please don't tell there the
reason
for you send the money because here in this country I must pay somes
aditional taxes when I recive the founds..."

And it goes on... This is a well known method of scamming--they take
the
money and run, and you're left with an empty wallet.

"Billy" wrote in message
om...
Once again, I am the purchaser of the most likely "imaginary" Innova
grinder. Luckily, sibosyl didn't get my money.

I am not sure if you are still interested in getting an Innova but I bought
mine 6 months ago from Caffesolo. They send it to me within a few days and
have been working fine ever since (outstanding grind control). They have
even been nice enough to send a hopper replacement free of charge.

At the recommendation of Paypal, I have submitted a request to e-bay
with the user names listed in this thread to see if any of them can be
connected to previously canceled accounts. Supposedly, they
investigate those within 24 hours. In the meantime, I sent this
response to the seller (I like how his name in the e-mail is
"Brandon," his yahoo username to send the paypal money to is
, and the other e-mail account listed on paypal
(which is accessible to me if I go partially through the payment
process)is ):

Brandon,

How about providing me that phone number and address that I requested?
The quicker that you convince me that you are a legitimate seller,
the quicker we can proceed with this deal. I expect you to work with
me on this since you have a brand new e-bay account with no feedback
and are selling expensive espresso equipment. If you really want to
convince me, how about e-mailing me a digital photo of you with the
grinder?

Billy

__________________________________________________
Lieutenant William E. Callahan, USN

University of Missouri Naval ROTC
105 Crowder Hall
Columbia, MO 65211

888-MU-NROTC
573-882-6699

fax: 573-884-5411
__________________________________________________


-----Original Message-----
From: sibosyl PP ]
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:10 PM
To: Callahan, William E.
Subject: Hello


Hello callahanw,

Thank you for bidding. This is my first transaction on Ebay and I'll
do my best in order to make it flawless.

The total by our deal is $160.50.
PLease forward your payment to the following paypal account:


I assume I'll have your shipping details from your paypal payment,
right?

Thank you and have a nice day
Brandon

--
Best regards,
sibosyl

"Billy" wrote in message
om...
Once again, I am the purchaser of the most likely "imaginary" Innova
grinder. Luckily, sibosyl didn't get my money.

I am not sure if you are still interested in getting an Innova but I bought
mine 6 months ago from Caffesolo. They send it to me within a few days and
have been working fine ever since (outstanding grind control). They have
even been nice enough to send a hopper replacement free of charge.

At the recommendation of Paypal, I have submitted a request to e-bay
with the user names listed in this thread to see if any of them can be
connected to previously canceled accounts. Supposedly, they
investigate those within 24 hours. In the meantime, I sent this
response to the seller (I like how his name in the e-mail is
"Brandon," his yahoo username to send the paypal money to is
, and the other e-mail account listed on paypal
(which is accessible to me if I go partially through the payment
process)is ):

Brandon,

How about providing me that phone number and address that I requested?
The quicker that you convince me that you are a legitimate seller,
the quicker we can proceed with this deal. I expect you to work with
me on this since you have a brand new e-bay account with no feedback
and are selling expensive espresso equipment. If you really want to
convince me, how about e-mailing me a digital photo of you with the
grinder?

Billy

__________________________________________________
Lieutenant William E. Callahan, USN

University of Missouri Naval ROTC
105 Crowder Hall
Columbia, MO 65211

888-MU-NROTC
573-882-6699

fax: 573-884-5411
__________________________________________________


-----Original Message-----
From: sibosyl PP ]
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:10 PM
To: Callahan, William E.
Subject: Hello


Hello callahanw,

Thank you for bidding. This is my first transaction on Ebay and I'll
do my best in order to make it flawless.

The total by our deal is $160.50.
PLease forward your payment to the following paypal account:


I assume I'll have your shipping details from your paypal payment,
right?

Thank you and have a nice day
Brandon

--
Best regards,
sibosyl

Your response does not compute - the email from the scammer specifically
asked that the scammee use Western Union money transfer, not Paypal . Even
if Paypal didn't exist, the scam could go on.


Nor is this WU's fault either. The WU money transfer system is specifically
for sending cash to known recipients such as family members. It is not meant
to be a system for merchandise payments. They don't require that you have
ID, just to know the pickup #. This is because the reason many WU money
transfer happen in the 1st place is because the recipient has lost his
wallet while traveling and has no ID or cash.

If you mail the scammer a check, is it your bank's fault?

Trust me, if there was no WU and no Paypal, the scammers would figure some
other way to have the gullible pay them. They are endlessly inventive and
can think up endless lies and schemes.

The real problem lies with credulous purchasers who have forgetten the maxim
"buyer beware". We live in a society with (what we hope) is an effective
system of law enforcement, so merchants usually do not feel free to cheat
and lie with impugnity. If they do, eventually the legal system may catch up
with them. This has conditioned us to have a certain level of trust. When we
mail the check off to L.L. Bean, we expect that they will mail us back some
hunting boots and this is a reasonable expectation. However, "rumenah2000"
or "sibosyl" is not L.L. Bean and it is ultimately the buyer's
responsibility to figure that out. Not Paypal's, not ebays, not visa's, not
WU's. You've got to make your own judgment and in this case, if your eyes
and ears are open, there are red lights flashing and alarms sounding like
crazy.


OTOH, these scammers live in semi-lawless "Wild West" type societies such
as Romania, Nigeria, Albania, etc. In addition, there is often desperate
poverty and no alternative legal employment that would net you as much as
scamming. Add to that the availability of internet connections that give you
a pipeline to Americans with bulging wallets and slim common sense and you
have an irresistable combination.

"DFN" wrote in message
...
Yes and we have Paypal to thank in part as they have made it infinitely
easier to perpetuate scams like that.
At least with a real credit card vendor you have some recourse.

Your response does not compute - the email from the scammer specifically
asked that the scammee use Western Union money transfer, not Paypal . Even
if Paypal didn't exist, the scam could go on.


Nor is this WU's fault either. The WU money transfer system is specifically
for sending cash to known recipients such as family members. It is not meant
to be a system for merchandise payments. They don't require that you have
ID, just to know the pickup #. This is because the reason many WU money
transfer happen in the 1st place is because the recipient has lost his
wallet while traveling and has no ID or cash.

If you mail the scammer a check, is it your bank's fault?

Trust me, if there was no WU and no Paypal, the scammers would figure some
other way to have the gullible pay them. They are endlessly inventive and
can think up endless lies and schemes.

The real problem lies with credulous purchasers who have forgetten the maxim
"buyer beware". We live in a society with (what we hope) is an effective
system of law enforcement, so merchants usually do not feel free to cheat
and lie with impugnity. If they do, eventually the legal system may catch up
with them. This has conditioned us to have a certain level of trust. When we
mail the check off to L.L. Bean, we expect that they will mail us back some
hunting boots and this is a reasonable expectation. However, "rumenah2000"
or "sibosyl" is not L.L. Bean and it is ultimately the buyer's
responsibility to figure that out. Not Paypal's, not ebays, not visa's, not
WU's. You've got to make your own judgment and in this case, if your eyes
and ears are open, there are red lights flashing and alarms sounding like
crazy.


OTOH, these scammers live in semi-lawless "Wild West" type societies such
as Romania, Nigeria, Albania, etc. In addition, there is often desperate
poverty and no alternative legal employment that would net you as much as
scamming. Add to that the availability of internet connections that give you
a pipeline to Americans with bulging wallets and slim common sense and you
have an irresistable combination.

"DFN" wrote in message
...
Yes and we have Paypal to thank in part as they have made it infinitely
easier to perpetuate scams like that.
At least with a real credit card vendor you have some recourse.

"Jack Denver" wrote in message
...

Don't worry about negative
feedback. Scammers don't leave feedback.

Scammers don't leave feedback? http://tinyurl.com/2sja9 He got me and 2
others with auctions that closed the same day. I contacted the other 2
buyers and he had given them the same cock and bull story that he shipped
the item. So it goes deeper, I paid $20 for Square Trade to do a mediation
and remove the negative feedback he left me. He admitted that he never sent
my watch and now has until 2/5 to complete the transaction. He's not a real
scammer though, just mentally ill. Heck, he even paid $5 to get id verified
But Jack, you're right, there is a bottomless well of suckers willing to bid
and pay money in the face of an obvious scam. This seller had a second wave
of auctions up with numerous bids until Ebay shut him down. That's right,
people were bidding even when the seller had 4 fresh negatove feedbacks!

Richard " the Paypal and Ebay fraud cases have already been filed" F

"Jack Denver" wrote in message
...

Don't worry about negative
feedback. Scammers don't leave feedback.

Scammers don't leave feedback? http://tinyurl.com/2sja9 He got me and 2
others with auctions that closed the same day. I contacted the other 2
buyers and he had given them the same cock and bull story that he shipped
the item. So it goes deeper, I paid $20 for Square Trade to do a mediation
and remove the negative feedback he left me. He admitted that he never sent
my watch and now has until 2/5 to complete the transaction. He's not a real
scammer though, just mentally ill. Heck, he even paid $5 to get id verified
But Jack, you're right, there is a bottomless well of suckers willing to bid
and pay money in the face of an obvious scam. This seller had a second wave
of auctions up with numerous bids until Ebay shut him down. That's right,
people were bidding even when the seller had 4 fresh negatove feedbacks!

Richard " the Paypal and Ebay fraud cases have already been filed" F

Just as you say, the person you dealt with was not a real scammer, just a
good ebayer gone bad. Although I note that all his positive feedback was on
the buy side. The 2 times he tried to sell something, both went wrong.
Note that when you lookup feedback, ebay now makes it easy to distinguish
buyer vs. seller feedback. Obviously when you are buying, feedback from
fellow buyers is more important, though I admit that I might have bought
from someone with 100 positive feedbacks from sellers even if they had no
feedback from buyers.

The people running this espresso machine scam, I doubt they speak enough
English to leave a feedback (not that they would anyway). You'll note that
many of their emails are canned and not even responsive to what is being
asked. In part, that's because they're probably being innundated with emails
from all the "fish" and can't take the time to craft individual lies. Better
to cast a broad net and see what you haul in than to tease them in hook by
hook.



"Moka Java" wrote in message
...


Scammers don't leave feedback? http://tinyurl.com/2sja9 He got me and 2
others with auctions that closed the same day. I contacted the other 2
buyers and he had given them the same cock and bull story that he shipped
the item. So it goes deeper, I paid $20 for Square Trade to do a
mediation
and remove the negative feedback he left me. He admitted that he never
sent
my watch and now has until 2/5 to complete the transaction. He's not a
real
scammer though, just mentally ill. Heck, he even paid $5 to get id
verified
But Jack, you're right, there is a bottomless well of suckers willing to
bid
and pay money in the face of an obvious scam. This seller had a second
wave
of auctions up with numerous bids until Ebay shut him down. That's right,
people were bidding even when the seller had 4 fresh negatove feedbacks!

Richard " the Paypal and Ebay fraud cases have already been filed" F

Just as you say, the person you dealt with was not a real scammer, just a
good ebayer gone bad. Although I note that all his positive feedback was on
the buy side. The 2 times he tried to sell something, both went wrong.
Note that when you lookup feedback, ebay now makes it easy to distinguish
buyer vs. seller feedback. Obviously when you are buying, feedback from
fellow buyers is more important, though I admit that I might have bought
from someone with 100 positive feedbacks from sellers even if they had no
feedback from buyers.

The people running this espresso machine scam, I doubt they speak enough
English to leave a feedback (not that they would anyway). You'll note that
many of their emails are canned and not even responsive to what is being
asked. In part, that's because they're probably being innundated with emails
from all the "fish" and can't take the time to craft individual lies. Better
to cast a broad net and see what you haul in than to tease them in hook by
hook.



"Moka Java" wrote in message
...


Scammers don't leave feedback? http://tinyurl.com/2sja9 He got me and 2
others with auctions that closed the same day. I contacted the other 2
buyers and he had given them the same cock and bull story that he shipped
the item. So it goes deeper, I paid $20 for Square Trade to do a
mediation
and remove the negative feedback he left me. He admitted that he never
sent
my watch and now has until 2/5 to complete the transaction. He's not a
real
scammer though, just mentally ill. Heck, he even paid $5 to get id
verified
But Jack, you're right, there is a bottomless well of suckers willing to
bid
and pay money in the face of an obvious scam. This seller had a second
wave
of auctions up with numerous bids until Ebay shut him down. That's right,
people were bidding even when the seller had 4 fresh negatove feedbacks!

Richard " the Paypal and Ebay fraud cases have already been filed" F

this one is really unbelievable...recent registrant from ITALY and shipping
is $15!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ADME:B:SS:US:1

what a bargain!

this one is really unbelievable...recent registrant from ITALY and shipping
is $15!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ADME:B:SS:US:1

what a bargain!

HMM. description seems to be pieced together from other sites, photo is
stock commercial photo.

Overall, a little less obvious. If the others were 10 on the scam scale, I'd
give this one about an 8. Money order/bank transfer payment only puts it up
to about a 9.


Anyone care to bid $1.25 and see if you get the "I'll sell it to you outside
of ebay" email? Betcha you do.


"dmreed" wrote in message
news:f4hSb.3088$1O.1162@fed1read05...
this one is really unbelievable...recent registrant from ITALY and
shipping
is $15!


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ADME:B:SS:US:1

what a bargain!

HMM. description seems to be pieced together from other sites, photo is
stock commercial photo.

Overall, a little less obvious. If the others were 10 on the scam scale, I'd
give this one about an 8. Money order/bank transfer payment only puts it up
to about a 9.


Anyone care to bid $1.25 and see if you get the "I'll sell it to you outside
of ebay" email? Betcha you do.


"dmreed" wrote in message
news:f4hSb.3088$1O.1162@fed1read05...
this one is really unbelievable...recent registrant from ITALY and
shipping
is $15!


http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ADME:B:SS:US:1

what a bargain!

I wrote something similar to my auctioneer mentioning that both his paypal
id was no longer valid and his ebay id was suspended after a couple of
emails from him and I have not heard any back from him!!!! and I did not
pay.

wish I had thought of the photo request!!!

those email addresses and ebay id do look familiar

"Billy" wrote in message
om...
Once again, I am the purchaser of the most likely "imaginary" Innova
grinder. Luckily, sibosyl didn't get my money.

At the recommendation of Paypal, I have submitted a request to e-bay
with the user names listed in this thread to see if any of them can be
connected to previously canceled accounts. Supposedly, they
investigate those within 24 hours. In the meantime, I sent this
response to the seller (I like how his name in the e-mail is
"Brandon," his yahoo username to send the paypal money to is
, and the other e-mail account listed on paypal
(which is accessible to me if I go partially through the payment
process)is ):