Hi,

My wife and I run a popular cafe in Malaysia as my full time business.

We find that we consume alot of chocolate powder - which we primarily
use in the making of hot and iced chocolate drinks, not to mention the
iced and hot mochas, etc...

And we pay suppliers through our teeth for chocolate powder.

Looking on the packets supplied to us, I notice that the ingredients of
in the chocolate powder we purchase are as follows:

- sugar
- cocoa (20%)
- milk solids
- wheaten starch
- starch
- flavour

It seems to be that based on the above ingredients, making our own
chocolate powder could be a solution in helping us cut our costs, not
to mention possibly getting a better tasting product.

Can anyone out there please help shed a little more light on what might
be involved in making our own chocolate powder? How difficult might it
be?

I think that we can buy all the ingredients in bulk. But is it a matter
of simply sorting out the mix ratios of all the above ingredients?

Any help or additional information would be of great help to us.

Many thanks all!

Regards,

PS & JS

at Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:20:19 GMT in 1124166018.869083.109340
@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, wrote :

Hi,

My wife and I run a popular cafe in Malaysia as my full time business.

We find that we consume alot of chocolate powder - which we primarily
use in the making of hot and iced chocolate drinks, not to mention the
iced and hot mochas, etc...

And we pay suppliers through our teeth for chocolate powder.

Looking on the packets supplied to us, I notice that the ingredients of
in the chocolate powder we purchase are as follows:

- sugar
- cocoa (20%)
- milk solids
- wheaten starch
- starch
- flavour

It seems to be that based on the above ingredients, making our own
chocolate powder could be a solution in helping us cut our costs, not
to mention possibly getting a better tasting product.

Undoubtedly. You can formulate to your specifications and furthermore you
can add other flavourings for interest, or delete ingredients for any
reason. And with bulk buying of the ingredients it will certainly be
simpler.

Can anyone out there please help shed a little more light on what might
be involved in making our own chocolate powder? How difficult might it
be?

Very easy. First, experiment with ratios until you get what you want in
terms of flavour and texture. The basic components are cocoa, sugar, and
milk powder. Other things you can add at your discretion. Vanilla is the
most common extra flavour and it does generally improve the depth and
dimension of flavour, much like salt does for savouries. As for the 3 base
ingredients, here's what you might consider:

Cocoa: Dutch (for easier incorporation and low bitterness) or natural (for
stronger flavour and more character)? High-fat (20%) or low (~11%)? High-
fat has better flavour but mixes less readily. What brand?

Sugar: Powdered, superfine, or granular? The finer the grind, the smoother
the incorporation. However, powdered usually has cornstarch unless you're
specific in what you order, and this will cause some issues when stirring
in large amounts of water. White or brown?

Milk: Full-fat, partially defatted, or nonfat? The nonfat has longer shelf
life at the expense of flavour. Instant or non-instant? Expect some work
mixing non-instant with water (you can't add all the water all at once),
but far better ultimate texture and flavour.

Once you've decided on ingredient ratios, the procedure is simple: Dump
contents into a Zip-Loc. Shake vigorously. Spoon out as desired. You do
need to make sure you've got your contents well mixed but with good bag
shaking, that should be easy. If you're using the high-fat cocoas and non-
instant milk (especially full-fat), you need to mix the powder thus
measured with an equal amount of cold water, stir into a paste, and then
*gradually* add hot water, stirring continuously. With instant milk and
low-fat cocoa, you'll pretty much be able to dump the contents straight
into hot water and have it mix OK.

*My* ideal ratio is 2 parts high-fat natural-process cocoa, 2 parts non-
instant whole milk powder, and 1 part sugar. This is *strong* stuff. I add
enough water to reconstitute the milk to normal dilutions and use the cold-
water paste method. The result is ultra-thick and very strong. People who
like chocolate love it, however, for the lukewarm chocolate person, it will
probably be over the top.
--
Alex Rast

(remove d., .7, not, and .NOSPAM to reply)

think that we can buy all the ingredients in bulk. But is it a matter
of simply sorting out the mix ratios of all the above ingredients?


Any help or additional information would be of great help to us.



If you plan to diversity your business by blending your own beverages
mixes and at the same time serving them to your customer ; its better
to make a good business plan or modify your existing plans and study
every detail of the proposed venture.the risk involved
It may looks simple to an individual who does not understand the
running of a mixing plant but is really a complicated matter from a
person who understand its details that needs careful and thorough
planning. And not be to be forgotten a huge investment!
Ask yourself, how much do you know about dry blending and the ancillary
operation related to it? Do you have the technical competency to run
such operations? do you unjderstand ingredient interaction and its
behavior in storage?
Will it not drain your resources by having two business operations at
the same time just for the sake of beleving that you are saving money
and getting more profit by making your own beverage mixes?
Have you considered the fact that the more money you invest will not
directly result in greater profitability ?
Remember the more money you spend the more assets you acquire but the
margin does not goes the same way?

My advice is :
Consider that greed is a good motivator for the entrepreneur but it
must be tempered with common sense.
If your problem is your supplier then look for another one who will not
exploit your helplessness; look for there business competitors or
other dealers supplying the same product ; but be careful in jumping on
another venture that is not within your capability.
Never underestimate the size of the iceberg protruding from the surface
of the waster in the same way that do not be overconfident that you can
simply combine A +B + C = D. and presto you get your cheaper chocolate
powder..
Its more than that!

Roy

Hello Alex,

Many many many thanks! :-)

A great reply and thank you for the detailed explanation.

I shall start to source for a range of possible ingredients (including
the basics as you specified) and start tinkering as soon as posible.

I will report back with my findings.

Kind regards,

Paul & Justina S