and i was referring to the one and only Guiness Extra Stout from
Ireland (i believe they sell the same one in Jamaica) but i really like
the u.s Extra Stout as well...
i wasnt comparing the stouts, just relaying some of my favorites.

im not fond of the local Shipyards winter beer either.....
but i DO like Grittys Xmas ale (and not cause i worked there)
we made an xcellent barley coated fried chix sandwich to boot.

"jazzkid" wrote in
ups.com:

oooooohh..throwing stones...you guys are hard core.....

I saw none of that. I saw very little other than reasoned
responses.

i used to be a beer snob...

Huh?

and i HAVE been brewing
beers for 15 years now as a HOME brewer..

If we're wagging...I've been brewing at home from grain for 18
years. Your serve.

ive worked in 3 breweries/friends with the brewers

Ah. "Friends." Blah.

I was joking about this with Brian of Telegraph Brewing at the
recent LA County Fair commercial beer competition (Hey Lew you
****ing asshole son of a what I'm certain is a lovely, wonderful
woman - come out next year, I'll pay your airfare (honest offer,
no shit). Hell, they let Dingus McAngus McJackson judge,
they'll probably break out the Nubians to carry you in on a
velvet couch.) I've seen more than a few homebrew competitions
where the "grand prize" is "A Day With the Brewer." Spend a
vacation day and haul your stinking ass into any brewpub and
offer to spend a day helping the brewer. They will fall over
themselves. They will feed you. They will get you drunk. You
will go home with at least one growler. But. You will shovel
grain. You will hose things off. You will work and work hard.

and yet how much further they went than most of you beer
gods out there.

Guessing not. Just a guess. Please define "further."

and hey editor in chief.....its My style of writing..stream
of conciousnes..
all of my readers who sent me positive feedback liked it
and understood it.

You CANNOT be that stupid. Nobody is that clueless, are they?
"Everyone who agrees with me agrees with me." That is in fact
what you are saying.

my style of writing comes from j.kerouacs stream of
conciousness writing/
similiar to jazz improvisation....

I get it. You're an artist. Apologies. My mistake.

why dont you go edit
Allen Ginsbergs 'HOWL'
or Kerouac's 'ON THE ROAD'

Because they are genius and you're not?

i wrote the artical in an intoxicated stream of thought,

There you go. That should have been the first, last, and only
thing you said in response to the criticism you received. No
sarcasm intended. Welcome to the group. What's your name
again?


Scott Kaczorowski
Long Beach, CA

"jazzkid" though dead, wrapped in plastic, said
ups.com:

oooooohh..throwing stones...you guys are hard core.....
i used to be a beer snob...and i HAVE been brewing
beers for 15 years now as a HOME brewer..
ive worked in 3 breweries/friends with the brewers
and yet how much further they went than most of you beer gods out
there.

I'm not being a beer snob. I'm being a "good lord, another moron wants
me to look at what he thinks" snob. I would have actually guessed you
were about fifteen, personally.

and hey editor in chief.....its My style of writing..stream of
conciousnes..
all of my readers who sent me positive feedback liked it and understood
it.

my style of writing comes from j.kerouacs stream of conciousness
writing/
similiar to jazz improvisation....why dont you go edit Allen Ginsbergs
'HOWL'
or Kerouac's 'ON THE ROAD' ....but be careful, you might have a
heartattack with
all the gramatical inconsistencies in there...

No, you didn't. Your writing style is not vaguely akin to Kerouac or
Ginsberg. One of the things in particular I loathe about those two
writers and that entire movement is that people think that since Ginsberg
could write free verse poetry that it means that any moron with access to
a pen or keyboard can do the same thing. Shitty writing is shitty
writing, regardless of whose literary legacy your *******izing at the
time. People like your writing style because it helps validate their own
shitty writing, like a bunch of teenagers praising each other's mopey
poetry about how the world just doesn't understand them. Kerouac's
writing was rhythmic and structured in its own way and wasn't just some
dork throwing misspelled words onto a page and proclaiming himself to be
a writer.

"It is not my fault that crtain so-called bohemian elements have found in
my writings something to hang their peculiar beatnik theories on."--Jack
Kerouac.

i wrote the artical in an intoxicated stream of thought,
practicing HTML.....as for spam....what am i selling? nothing..
people have found the links very educational.
you dont like it, you dont wanna hear it...eat shit!

Great, you were drunk and trying to figure out what you were doing.
Gosh, in that case, I retract. I want to be the subject of your
intoxicated self-education.
--
************************************************** ***************
Dan Iwerks is to be replaced by Dan Iwerks 2, Electric Boogaloo.
The fundamental problem with Solipsism is it makes me
responsible for the fact that you're a complete idiot.
************************************************** ***************

my style of writing comes from j.kerouacs stream of conciousness
writing/
similiar to jazz improvisation....why dont you go edit Allen Ginsbergs
'HOWL'
or Kerouac's 'ON THE ROAD' ....but be careful, you might have a
heartattack with
all the gramatical inconsistencies in there...

No, you didn't. Your writing style is not vaguely akin to Kerouac or
Ginsberg. One of the things in particular I loathe about those two
writers and that entire movement is that people think that since Ginsberg
could write free verse poetry that it means that any moron with access to
a pen or keyboard can do the same thing. Shitty writing is shitty
writing, regardless of whose literary legacy your *******izing at the
time. People like your writing style because it helps validate their own
shitty writing, like a bunch of teenagers praising each other's mopey
poetry about how the world just doesn't understand them. Kerouac's
writing was rhythmic and structured in its own way and wasn't just some
dork throwing misspelled words onto a page and proclaiming himself to be
a writer.

"It is not my fault that crtain so-called bohemian elements have found in
my writings something to hang their peculiar beatnik theories on."--Jack
Kerouac.

Ay, Dan. Another promessing ununderstood young artist, nipped in the bud by
a harsh, material world. You ought to be ashamed of your success. ;^}
Joris

If we throw enough stones, will you shut up and go the hell away?

I've been very interested in the beer I'm drinking since 1981:
April of 1981.

" A mere child, you are."

i bet they quite a selection of shitty beers back in 81....
i can only remember sammy adams and sierra being the only decent
domestic beers around....

" Your writing style is not vaguely akin to Kerouac or Ginsberg."
thanks....im not trying to be them.
if you throw enough stones, maybe ill go away......

"Kerouac's
writing was rhythmic and structured in its own way and wasn't just some

dork throwing misspelled words onto a page and proclaiming himself to
be
a writer."
really? you knew him? you knew what he was about ?

keep throwing.....by the way jazz meters while often flow in rhythm
flow in whats called free time....just like me....free
to **** you guys off...and vise versa

jazzkid wrote:

i bet they quite a selection of shitty beers back in 81....

Anyone with a clue could find the good stuff in 1981 (and before).

i can only remember sammy adams and sierra being the only decent
domestic beers around....

Miracle worker, you are. Boston Brewing didn't exist back in 1981,
ergo no "sammy adams."

" Your writing style is not vaguely akin to Kerouac or Ginsberg."
thanks....im not trying to be them.

Whoever you're trying to be, you really suck at it.

if you throw enough stones, maybe ill go away......

Save us the trouble. Just go away.
--
dgs

"jazzkid" wrote in message
ups.com...

i bet they quite a selection of shitty beers back in 81....
i can only remember sammy adams and sierra being the only decent
domestic beers around....

That's quite a memory you've got there. Sam Adams didn't exist in 1981,
except as a figure in American history books. And unless you lived very,
very close to Chico, CA, or knew someone who was muling bottles back home
for you, you weren't getting much SN then either.

But who cares? Beer dick wagging is so boring, and it's something that every
regular poster around here can do quite well. I could ramble on about how
many countries I've drunk beer in, how many of some of the rarest yet most
desired beers I've consumed, how many years old Westvleteren or Cantillon
I've had, blah blah blah. No one cares. I don't even care, really.


" Your writing style is not vaguely akin to Kerouac or Ginsberg."
thanks....im not trying to be them.

Good thing. Because you have a long way to go.

Any moron can not pay attention to spelling, sentence structure, proper
narrative, logic, etc. and claim they're following in the steps of Ginsberg,
cummings, etc. Anyone who thinks what that's what they were about is so
missing what they were about it's beyond funny. They didn't write that way
because they were illiterate; they were subverting language and traditional
structures in very deliberate ways with very deliberate aims. Faulkner
didn't write seven-page sentences because he was a lazy **** who didn't know
how to use a period; he was doing it for very specific reasons.

keep throwing.....by the way jazz meters while often flow in rhythm
flow in whats called free time....just like me....free
to **** you guys off...and vise versa

Even free-form jazz follows a structure and knows and respects the rules of
music. You can't subvert what you haven't first mastered.

But, this isn't a lit or music NG.

Talk beer, don't talk beer. We slap the shit out of each other around here
all the time. Getting ****y and defensive about it is so dull. If you stand
behind what you say and the bumpkin way you say it, then be a man about it
instead of whining.

-Steve

jazzkid wrote:
I've been very interested in the beer I'm drinking since 1981:
April of 1981.

i bet they quite a selection of shitty beers back in 81....
i can only remember sammy adams and sierra being the only decent
domestic beers around....

Boston Beer Company (brewer of Samuel Adams beers)
started in 1984.
--
Joel Plutchak "Eat everything. Have fun." - Julia Child.
plutchak at [...]

jazzkid wrote:
: oooooohh..throwing stones...you guys are hard core.....
: i used to be a beer snob...and i HAVE been brewing
: beers for 15 years now as a HOME brewer..
: ive worked in 3 breweries/friends with the brewers
: and yet how much further they went than most of you beer gods out
: there.
:
: and hey editor in chief.....its My style of writing..stream of
: conciousnes..
: all of my readers who sent me positive feedback liked it and understood
: it.
:
: my style of writing comes from j.kerouacs stream of conciousness
: writing/
: similiar to jazz improvisation....why dont you go edit Allen Ginsbergs
: 'HOWL'
: or Kerouac's 'ON THE ROAD' ....but be careful, you might have a
: heartattack with
: all the gramatical inconsistencies in there...
: i wrote the artical in an intoxicated stream of thought,
: practicing HTML.....as for spam....what am i selling? nothing..
: people have found the links very educational.
: you dont like it, you dont wanna hear it...eat shit!
:

plonk

--
Bill
AT DOT
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Steve Jackson wrote:

:You can't subvert what you haven't first mastered.

Man, like, that's seriously F**KING great bumpersticker material. Just
look at it, take a big Zen step and, without trying, erase all the
contextual history of the thread from your mind and look at those words
again.

:You can't subvert what you haven't first mastered.

Now you can see how the care and feeding of trolls and idiots can, and
does, inspire brilliance.

Maybe I'll unplonk this kid for a day or two just to see if he
listens.

--
Bill
AT DOT
reply to bbenzel adelphia net

"jazzkid" though dead, wrapped in plastic, said
ups.com:

"Kerouac's
writing was rhythmic and structured in its own way and wasn't just some

dork throwing misspelled words onto a page and proclaiming himself to
be
a writer."
really? you knew him? you knew what he was about ?

Yeah, great guy. Had lunch with him last week. He told me to tell you
that he's tired of you shitting on his name and that it takes far more
talent to write well without structure than it does to be more
traditional. Oh, and you don't have the talent.

keep throwing.....by the way jazz meters while often flow in rhythm
flow in whats called free time....just like me....free
to **** you guys off...and vise versa

Yes, they flow in rhythm, with their own internal structure. Believe it
or not, I have actually heard of this "jazz" stuff you speak of. You
have no structure, no style, and no clue. You are a bad writer
attempting to justify his lack of skill under a convenient umbrella of
"free verse". You're not just rambling onto the page. You're ingorant
and uncreative and you don't even have enough talent to be vaguely
derivative of the writers you claim to admire. Go. Away.
--
************************************************** ***************
Dan Iwerks is to be replaced by Dan Iwerks 2, Electric Boogaloo.
The fundamental problem with Solipsism is it makes me
responsible for the fact that you're a complete idiot.
************************************************** ***************

Dan Iwerks wrote:

: You have no structure, no style, and no clue. You are a bad writer
: attempting to justify his lack of skill under a convenient umbrella of
: "free verse". You're not just rambling onto the page. You're ingorant
: and uncreative and you don't even have enough talent to be vaguely
: derivative of the writers you claim to admire. Go. Away.

But Dan, according to your well known and respected .sig this is YOUR
responsibility, not his. Please change your opinion of him so that we
can all benefit. If you were to elevate your opinon of him then he'll
become successful, handsome, rich, famous and talented and we'll all be
able to say "I knew him when...."

Big TIA!!

--
Bill
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(Bill Benzel) though dead, wrapped in plastic, said
:

Dan Iwerks wrote:

: You have no structure, no style, and no clue. You are a bad writer
: attempting to justify his lack of skill under a convenient umbrella
: of "free verse". You're not just rambling onto the page. You're
: ingorant and uncreative and you don't even have enough talent to be
: vaguely derivative of the writers you claim to admire. Go. Away.

But Dan, according to your well known and respected .sig this is YOUR
responsibility, not his. Please change your opinion of him so that we
can all benefit. If you were to elevate your opinon of him then he'll
become successful, handsome, rich, famous and talented and we'll all
be able to say "I knew him when...."

Big TIA!!

You're right, Bill. World, I'm sorry jazzkid is a moron. I'll try to
make it up to you. A naked Angelina Jolie will be by shortly to spend
some "quality" time with you. She'll be there. You just wait.
Preferably outside, near a police station. --
************************************************** ***************
Dan Iwerks is to be replaced by Dan Iwerks 2, Electric Boogaloo.
The fundamental problem with Solipsism is it makes me
responsible for the fact that you're a complete idiot.
************************************************** ***************

"Lew Bryson" wrote in message
. ..
If we throw enough stones, will you shut up and go the hell away?
Stone Brewing? Can I help empty the bottles first, or are we throwing full
ones?

Cone to think of it, I may still have a bottle of Brimstone's Stone Beer in
my basement..............