Dan Iwerks a écrit :

Haven't tried that one yet, sounds reasonably interesting. I'm fonder
of Young's Winter Warmer than most people I know, it's a glass of
liquidized toffee and butterscotch. Me like.


Me too, very nice example of a spice-free Xmas beer, and at a reasonable
alcohol contents level too !

As for Samuel Smith's, I've given up. I doubt I'll ever buy one of
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my, my i didnt realize how many know-it-all snobs are in this group!!
in my blog i gave an email addy for any opinions and corrections,
but i guess you opted to blasting openly instead....

as for the accident of calling the winter lager and ale..well...
i imagine you're one of the people who blasts people for
misssssppeelllling words as well...
for the bud coment, i corrected (happily) that its rice they use
and the name that was stolen
(i must have mistken that from the fact that ALOT of homebrewers use
corn sugar while bottling.

sorry for calling sammy smiths winter warmer a nut brown..god forbid,
but as the definition or winter warmer is VERY loose..
it CAN be BOTH a nut brown (which it is!) and a winter warmer.
though i do love fullers old winter ale (oH SORRY!! thats not a winter
WARMER!)

sorry for you poor suburbanites who get the skunked sammys,
ive always lived in the city and rarely get a skunked sammy
i still think sammys Oatmeal Stout is an excellent stout..
one of the best next to Brooklyns Black Choc. Stout
and the one and only Guiness Extra Stout.

and now that im thinking about it, i DONT like weyerbachers wheat
beer..
i remember it being bland and flavorless..almost like a pilsner with a
faint wheat flavor.

the article is to educate the average uneducated consumer,
not to dispute it with know it all beer snobs.
if anybody has CONSTRUCTIVE critisizm, just tell me, dont through out
yer
hollier than though ****ed off slams..corrections? always welcome as it
says on the web
page....just please make sure to play nice and give references so i
know its not just an
opinion....you know what they say about opinions right!!

"jazzkid" though dead, wrapped in plastic, said
ups.com:

my, my i didnt realize how many know-it-all snobs are in this group!!
in my blog i gave an email addy for any opinions and corrections,
but i guess you opted to blasting openly instead....

Gee, a blog and I missed it. Call me crazy, but I'm just not into the
blog revolution. I see no reason why I should think that people are
going to want regular updates of what I'm thinking or, for that matter,
why I should give even the vaguest shit about what a vaguely literate
twit like you thinks. I don't read blogs. Any of them. I prefer to
leave pseudo-intellectual masturbation to Usenet, where it truly belongs.

sorry for calling sammy smiths winter warmer a nut brown..god forbid,
but as the definition or winter warmer is VERY loose..
it CAN be BOTH a nut brown (which it is!) and a winter warmer.
though i do love fullers old winter ale (oH SORRY!! thats not a winter
WARMER!)

Um . . . sure. It's a nut brown ale. I mean, it's never referred to
that way or recall it tasting like one and, while there's no real hard-
and-fast definition of what a "nut brown ale" is, the fact that some
asshole who thinks the world cares about his stupid-ass opinions of beer
believes that it's a "nut brown ale" has convinced me. Nut brown it is.

sorry for you poor suburbanites who get the skunked sammys,
ive always lived in the city and rarely get a skunked sammy

Um, yeah, because it takes so long for beer to make its way out to those
far-out suburbs. Yes, five miles outside the city is just enough time
for beer to skunk. Damn those distributors who send their beer out on
sloth-pulled trolleys whilst the beer is shamefully baked under heat
lamps! Oh, the tragedy.

I mean, I recently moved from the DC area where there's one decent bottle
shop in the District and a whole bunch in those poor suburbs, and here in
the Twin Cities the really good bottle shops are *gasp* all in the
suburbs. I mean, the fifteen minutes it takes me to get to downtown St.
Paul is one thing, but I'm pretty sure beer moves around here via
dogsled. Slow enough in winter, but boy, in summer those dogs just can't
pull over the grass worth a shit.

i still think sammys Oatmeal Stout is an excellent stout..
one of the best next to Brooklyns Black Choc. Stout
and the one and only Guiness Extra Stout.

Yeah, and those are all so incredibly similar to each other. Good
measure of comparison there.

the article is to educate the average uneducated consumer,
not to dispute it with know it all beer snobs.
if anybody has CONSTRUCTIVE critisizm, just tell me,

You are a complete and utter dumbshit.

That was the constructive version.

dont through out yer
hollier than though ****ed off slams..corrections? always welcome as it
says on the web
page....just please make sure to play nice and give references so i
know its not just an
opinion....you know what they say about opinions right!!

Yes, yes, I'm going to go to your site to up your hit count and thereby
help you increase whatever self-esteem you gain from having strangers
read about your thoughts. Gosh, sounds like fun.

You are a moron. Reference--rec.food.drink.beer.
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The fundamental problem with Solipsism is it makes me
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jazzkid wrote:

and the one and only Guiness Extra Stout.

Which "one and only" Guinness Extra Stout are you referring to? The
"real" version from Ireland, the contract-brewed one from Labatt that we
get in the US or some other brew?

(Sorry, just couldn't help it...).

I prefer to leave pseudo-intellectual masturbation to Usenet, where it
truly belongs.

As a 10-year veteran of Usenet, I thank you for your kind acknowledgment.

as for the accident of calling the winter lager and ale..well...
i imagine you're one of the people who blasts people for
misssssppeelllling words as well...

Yeah that's me alright.

You seem to think you are being corrected because of minutiae, when in
reality - where do I begin? - you have broad swaths of inaccuracies,
falsehoods, half-understood explanations and probably an urban legend
or two wrapped up in there.

Say, I sure do like that Bock beer, but I am little worried because I
hear it comes from the bottom of the tanks which never get cleaned. In
your experience, do I have anything to be concerned about? Thanks!

_Randal

the article is to educate the average uneducated consumer...

They read?

Only one so far, is the best so far--because it seems to have semi-BAILED as
a "winter" beer: SNCA.


It is the Sierra Nevada Pale Ale ueber-hopped. It is not dark, it is not
murky, it is not spiced. It is a knockout mega-pale, with all the dappling
floral freshness of the Dogfish Head 90-minute.

"jazzkid" wrote in message
my, my i didnt realize how many know-it-all snobs are in this group!!

See, if you'd read the NG for a while before commenting, like USENETtiquette
recommends, you'd have KNOWN how many of us know-it-all snobs there were.
Let that be a lesson to you.

in my blog i gave an email addy for any opinions and corrections,
but i guess you opted to blasting openly instead....

You come to the NG, you post on the NG, you take your licks on the NG. What
do we owe your blog?

as for the accident of calling the winter lager and ale..well...
i imagine you're one of the people who blasts people for
misssssppeelllling words as well...

Seems a bit more solid than that.

for the bud coment, i corrected (happily) that its rice they use
and the name that was stolen
(i must have mistken that from the fact that ALOT of homebrewers use
corn sugar while bottling.

Sure. Anheuser-Busch IS just a big homebrewer. You should go to St. Louis
sometime and see all the 5-gallon carboys they use, it's just fecking
amazing.

the article is to educate the average uneducated consumer,
not to dispute it with know it all beer snobs.

1. You're doing the average uneducated consumer no favors.
2. Once again: YOU came HERE. Disputing with know-it-all beer snobs is all
we do, and we're damned good at it. After fifteen years, we oughta be.

if anybody has CONSTRUCTIVE critisizm, just tell me, dont through out
yer
hollier than though ****ed off slams..corrections? always welcome as it
says on the web
page....just please make sure to play nice and give references so i
know its not just an
opinion....you know what they say about opinions right!!

Constructive criticism. You mean where we make suggestions on how to improve
your "artical"? Okay, here's some.
Use punctuation, it really does help people to read your writing.
Use a spell-checker; plenty of programs have them; they help, too.
Organize your thoughts a LOT more; once again, makes it easier to read, and
if you're truly interested in educating the average consumer, it makes it
easier for them to learn. A lot easier than if you simply puke what you
think you know all over the screen in any order at all.
If you feel you don't have time for this stuff, why should the reader have
any time for you?

That's all editing, and since I am an editor, I guess I'm my own reference.
If you don't buy that, pick up pretty much any text on journalism.

As for what you said about beer, you really were wrong more often than you
were right. Don't believe everything you hear, don't believe everything you
read. A lot of it's bunkum. For instance, didja know that Budweiser is made
using all whole-flower hops, not pelletized hops or extracts? True, I've
been in the hop stores of two different A-B facilities and seen it. Didja
know that the so-called "real" Czech Budweiser was actually first brewed in
1895, almost 20 years after A-B's Budweiser? True, even the Czechs admit it
(the whole story of what's REALLY gone down with "Budweiser" is a lot more
complicated than almost every account you'll read on the Web).

Fact is, beer's pretty complicated stuff. But it's also just a glass of good
drink. So good that people get pretty passionate about it. I've been very
interested in the beer I'm drinking since 1981: April of 1981. I've made my
living in the beer industry since 1995. And the one thing I know for sure is
that there is ALWAYS more to learn, and there is often room to improve one's
knowledge. And you'll never do that by rushing into a group of people you've
just met and mouthing off about how damned much you know.

It looks like you're just getting excited about beer, maybe a few years into
it. That's great, and I'd hate to dissuade you. I don't mean to. Truth is, I
got smacked around some when I first got here back in 1994. But if you take
advantage of what you can learn here, you can learn a lot. The folks on the
NG know a lot about beer. Use it. Or don't, and write for yourself. Your
call.

--
Lew Bryson

"As for talking shit in this NG, Lew, you're the undisputed king, and
that's no SHITE." -- Bob Skilnik, 1/31/02

www.lewbryson.com

jazzkid wrote:
my, my i didnt realize how many know-it-all snobs are in this group!!
in my blog i gave an email addy for any opinions and corrections,
but i guess you opted to blasting openly instead....

You opened the gate by spamming here, dude.
--
Joel Plutchak "Eat everything. Have fun." - Julia Child.
plutchak at [...]

Lew Bryson wrote:
"jazzkid" wrote:
for the bud coment, i corrected (happily) that its rice they use
and the name that was stolen
(i must have mistken that from the fact that ALOT of homebrewers use
corn sugar while bottling.

Sure. Anheuser-Busch IS just a big homebrewer. You should go to St. Louis
sometime and see all the 5-gallon carboys they use, it's just fecking
amazing.

You should see their wooden spoons! And it takes a whole
buttload of teamsters to stir all those 8-gallon enameled
canning pots.

I've been very interested in the beer I'm drinking since 1981:
April of 1981.

A mere child, you are.
--
Joel Plutchak "Eat everything. Have fun." - Julia Child.
plutchak at [...]

See, these sorts of calm and rational responses completely undermine what
Usenet is about. Your politeness shames me, Lew.
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The fundamental problem with Solipsism is it makes me
responsible for the fact that you're a complete idiot.
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oooooohh..throwing stones...you guys are hard core.....
i used to be a beer snob...and i HAVE been brewing
beers for 15 years now as a HOME brewer..
ive worked in 3 breweries/friends with the brewers
and yet how much further they went than most of you beer gods out
there.

and hey editor in chief.....its My style of writing..stream of
conciousnes..
all of my readers who sent me positive feedback liked it and understood
it.

my style of writing comes from j.kerouacs stream of conciousness
writing/
similiar to jazz improvisation....why dont you go edit Allen Ginsbergs
'HOWL'
or Kerouac's 'ON THE ROAD' ....but be careful, you might have a
heartattack with
all the gramatical inconsistencies in there...
i wrote the artical in an intoxicated stream of thought,
practicing HTML.....as for spam....what am i selling? nothing..
people have found the links very educational.
you dont like it, you dont wanna hear it...eat shit!

ahhem.....where did i say Bud was a homebrewer?
corn HAS been an adjunct in beer since brewers arrived in the u.s.
since it IS a native grain..innocent mistake, burn a cross in my
yard...
You ****ers are the ones who killed jesus!"-h.thompson..

From: "Douglas W. Hoyt" - Find messages by
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:16:23 -0600
Local: Tues, Nov 15 2005 7:16 pm
Subject: Worst Winter Beers (So Far)

Only one so far, is the best so far--because it seems to have
semi-BAILED as
a "winter" beer: SNCA.

It is the Sierra Nevada Pale Ale ueber-hopped. It is not dark, it is
not
murky, it is not spiced. It is a knockout mega-pale, with all the
dappling
floral freshness of the Dogfish Head 90-minute.

ahh...i love sierras celebration ale...
but i thought the topic was WORST winter beers?
i would have to throw Harpoons WINTER WARMER
as one of the shitty ones...what a WINTER WARMER..
as for spiced winter beers, the only one ive ever
been particular too is anchor steams christmas ale.

and i was referring to the one and only Guiness Extra Stout from
Ireland (i believe they sell the same one in Jamaica) but i really like
the u.s Extra Stout as well...
i wasnt comparing the stouts, just relaying some of my favorites.

im not fond of the local Shipyards winter beer either.....
but i DO like Grittys Xmas ale (and not cause i worked there)
we made an xcellent barley coated fried chix sandwich to boot.