"Jon Binkley" wrote in
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Scott Kaczorowski wrote:

So, short point long, I could get on board with
"Schwartzbier has more malt character than Hellesbock" but
I wouldn't be thrilled about it. But maltier? No way.

Who said it was MALTIER? I simply said both were MALTY.
My ideal Hell**bock is MALTIER than my ideal Schwartzbier.

You said: "When it's on, the Schwartzbier is one MALTY sumbitch. If the
Maibock is half as malty as that, it's one to be reckoned with."

So I'm guilty of being too literal. So call me names or sumtin'.

Yeast and hops have less to do with the character of a Schwartzbier than
does the malt. Therefore, the character/flavor of a Schwartzbier is
dominated by malt. Is it MALTY? Not in my opinion.

Jeebus. Are you sure you're not Nick????

Pretty sure. But I'll have to ask The Wife.

How can a 1048ish beer be "MALTIER" than
a 1070ish beer? The same way a 30ish IBU beer can be
"HOPPIER" than a 70ish IBU beer.

Why then do we have the two terms "hoppy" and "bitter"?

SG only captures one narrow aspect of "MALTY",

Agreed. "Consider the Tripel..."

just as IBUs only capture one
narrow aspect of "HOPPY". Neither addresses FLAVOR, which
is the number one component in ones overall impression of
a beer.

FLAVOR *is* important to beer.

(Have THAT tattooed on your other asscheek, Lew.)

In my mind, "malty" means lots of malt. Guinness draught is therefore not
malty, but it does of course have lots of MALT FLAVOR.

I've never heard anyone call a cask Special Bitter "hoppy", and yet I think
we can agree (?) that hops are an important component. Even though I can
detect hops in both the flavor and aroma, I wouldn't call a Special Bitter
"hoppy".

If something purports to be SPICY, then I believe that the amount of
spiciness should be on the high side rather than merely detectable.

Etc.

I don't think of SNPA as particularly malty, but Liberty is. Draught
Guinness is not, Guinness Export is (or, rather, was).

Etc.

Malt
flavor (as opposed to body, sweetness, whatever) depends on
types and mash treatment of malts, not simple quantity in
the bill;

I disagree with qualification: I think that OG/SG/FG is often relevant to
maltiness, but not exclusively so.

"Consider the Tripel..."

Certainly even small additions of the dreaded black patent can add a lot of
malt-derived flavor.

If I steeped some BP and added it to Coors Light, would that make the
BPoors Light "malty"? I'd say no. And yet it would have lots of MALT
FLAVOR, no?

a decocted 1048 Helles can have a ton more MALT
FLAVOR than an infusion mashed 1070 American "bock" (ack,
ptui!).

A decoction of pils malt can lead to more complexity than a 152F single
infusion of GW pale...I won't argue.

By MALTY you mean MALT FLAVOR. I guess I distinguish between the two
terms. Guinness, in all its forms is MALTY to you, no?

I think "malty" means "lots o' malt". Barring adjuncts and somewhat
artificial (IMO) examples as above, I agree that a beer lower in gravity
can assert more malt character than one that is higher in gravity (base
malt, malt bill, rests/mash method, attenuation, etc. all play a part).

I think I "get" your point now. You and I could take GW pale ale malt (Or
DWC pils, or ???) and nothing more and turn out two completely different
beers. Same IBUs, same yeast, same OG...different beers. Both might be
uninspiring, but one would have more malt character/complexity/flavor than
the other.

I feel a project coming on...

Still...I would never call Kostritzer Schwartzbier "malty." MALT FLAVOR,
sure. MALTY, never.


Scott

"Scott Kaczorowski" wrote in message
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Jackson and I are doing both.

We are?

-Steve

"Steve Jackson" wrote in message
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"Scott Kaczorowski" wrote in message
Jackson and I are doing both.

We are?

You missed it, Steve: earlier he said you were doing each other.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...er, intrinsically.
Aesthetically, now, that's a whole different kettle of squid.
--
Lew Bryson

"As for talking shit in this NG, Lew, you're the undisputed king, and
that's no SHITE." -- Bob Skilnik, 1/31/02

www.lewbryson.com

"Steve Jackson" wrote in
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"Scott Kaczorowski" wrote in message
...

Jackson and I are doing both.

We are?

Aren't we? Crap. I thought we were (doing both).

My mistake.


Scott

"Lew Bryson" wrote in
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"Steve Jackson" wrote in
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"Scott Kaczorowski" wrote in
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Jackson and I are doing both.

We are?

You missed it, Steve: earlier he said you were doing each
other.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...er,
intrinsically. Aesthetically, now, that's a whole different
kettle of squid.

**** you.


Scott

"Scott Kaczorowski" wrote in message
"Lew Bryson" wrote in
"Steve Jackson" wrote in
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"Scott Kaczorowski" wrote in
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Jackson and I are doing both.

We are?

You missed it, Steve: earlier he said you were doing each
other.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...er,
intrinsically. Aesthetically, now, that's a whole different
kettle of squid.

**** you.

What, and join in your mad squid kettle games? I'll take a pass on that,
thanks. I'd rather drink these wonderful Czech lagers. They're worth going
someplace for.

--
Lew Bryson

"As for talking shit in this NG, Lew, you're the undisputed king, and
that's no SHITE." -- Bob Skilnik, 1/31/02

www.lewbryson.com

Lew Bryson wrote:

"Scott Kaczorowski" wrote in message

[...]
**** you.

What, and join in your mad squid kettle games? [...]

Ah do believe ah done found me a new .sig.

Thanks to both of you.

Better yet, **** you both, and the squid you rode in on.
--
dgs
"What, and join in your mad squid kettle games?" -- Lew Bryson

Lew Bryson wrote:

Aesthetically, now, that's a whole different kettle of squid.

Oh, these wacky microbrewery beer names! The beer may be old and poorly
made but gotta love the cartoon animal labels! (Altho' it is embarassing
sometimes. I recall a six pack of barley wine that didn't scan one day.
The cashier held up the pack and yelled across the store "Hey, what's
this Blithering Idiot?" AND EVERYONE LOOKED AT *ME*!.)

So, "Kettle of Squid"? Who brews it? What style? (Please just don't
tell me it's a variation of a true oyster stout...)

"Lew Bryson" wrote in
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"Scott Kaczorowski" wrote in
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"Lew Bryson" wrote in
"Steve Jackson" wrote
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"Scott Kaczorowski" wrote in
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Jackson and I are doing both.

We are?

You missed it, Steve: earlier he said you were doing each
other.

Not that there's anything wrong with that...er,
intrinsically. Aesthetically, now, that's a whole
different kettle of squid.

**** you.

What, and join in your mad squid kettle games?

You think I'm baiting... Call me a fag, willya?

I'd rather drink these wonderful
Czech lagers. They're worth going someplace for.

Do tell. I'm assuming an article (something in addition to the
one online) has come out of the trip. Where might I find it?


Scott

"Scott Kaczorowski" wrote in message
You think I'm baiting... Call me a fag, willya?

Lighten up, Francis.

I'd rather drink these wonderful
Czech lagers. They're worth going someplace for.

Do tell. I'm assuming an article (something in addition to the
one online) has come out of the trip. Where might I find it?

Not. I got back from the trip to find that my co-writer at BeverAge had
pre-empted me with a piece on several small imported labels, Czech/Budvar
among them -- one market shot -- and Philadelphia Style, my other planned
market, canned me last month for unspecified reasons. So I'm on my own site
for now, until I inevitably find another market.

--
Lew Bryson

God Bless America.
"They that can give up essential Liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither Liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin, 1759.

"Lew Bryson" wrote in
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"Scott Kaczorowski" wrote in
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You think I'm baiting... Call me a fag, willya?

Lighten up, Francis.

Apparently I just can't do that.

(BTW, I prefer Little Frannie Poo. Or Angel Claws. Your
choice.)

I'd rather drink these wonderful
Czech lagers. They're worth going someplace for.

Do tell. I'm assuming an article (something in addition
to the one online) has come out of the trip. Where might
I find it?

Not. I got back from the trip to find that my co-writer at
BeverAge had pre-empted me with a piece on several small
imported labels,

Did you beat him (?) senseless? I hope so. I'd imagined that
an article from you was forthcoming and I was looking forward to
reading it (!sarcasm).

Czech/Budvar among them -- one market shot
-- and Philadelphia Style, my other planned market, canned
me last month for unspecified reasons. So I'm on my own
site for now, until I inevitably find another market.

Have you ever considered LA? No, I'd guess not...

On that note, I'm hearing that Richmond Bar and Grill in El
Segundo (immediately south of LAX) is worth checking out. They
seem to be a loyal Stone house if nothing else. Haven't done so
yet, but will get there sooner than later.

So: I'm thinking about going to the Richmond Bar and Grill in
El Segundo, CA just for the beer. Thoughts?


Scott

"Scott Kaczorowski" wrote in message
"Lew Bryson" wrote in
Lighten up, Francis.

Apparently I just can't do that.

(BTW, I prefer Little Frannie Poo. Or Angel Claws. Your
choice.)

My vet suggested castration when my dog couldn't calm down...castrating the
dog, that is. I submit this as a data point only.

So: I'm thinking about going to the Richmond Bar and Grill in
El Segundo, CA just for the beer. Thoughts?

Starting small is a good way to work out your bigger problems with beer
travel. I say Yes!

--
Lew Bryson

"As for talking shit in this NG, Lew, you're the undisputed king, and
that's no SHITE." -- Bob Skilnik, 1/31/02

www.lewbryson.com

Lew Bryson wrote:
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: So: I'm thinking about going to the Richmond Bar and Grill in
: El Segundo, CA just for the beer. Thoughts?
:
: Starting small is a good way to work out your bigger problems with beer
: travel. I say Yes!
:

And review it for us -- I have 90 minutes to drive just to get up to
Long Beach so I really wanna know if it's worth the additional half
hour.

--
Bill
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"Lew Bryson" wrote in
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"Scott Kaczorowski" wrote in
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So: I'm thinking about going to the Richmond Bar and
Grill in El Segundo, CA just for the beer. Thoughts?

Starting small is a good way to work out your bigger
problems with beer travel. I say Yes!

Heh!

I love beer travel. I've just never had a Czech beer I
thought was worth travelling for. Which, of course, is
(admittedly (and just right then)) a limitation of my lack of
travel to the CR.


Scott

(Bill Benzel) wrote in
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Lew Bryson wrote:
:
: So: I'm thinking about going to the Richmond Bar and
: Grill in El Segundo, CA just for the beer. Thoughts?
:
: Starting small is a good way to work out your bigger
: problems with beer travel. I say Yes!

And review it for us -- I have 90 minutes to drive just to
get up to Long Beach so I really wanna know if it's worth
the additional half hour.

Roger on the review.

But if you want to do the 2 hours, I'd pick a visit to Cafe
Boogaloo (in the relative-same neighborhood as Richmond) and I'm
*certain* CB will meet your expectations.

Or...come on up for the Lucky Baldwin's IPA Fest (6/18 - 6/26).

I can put you up (couch or tent - your choice) if need be.

I'm pretty sure I will be down for the Real Ale Fest. I'm not
going to make the trip by myself...but I have a primary and a
backup and even a tertiary...so...I hope to make it. And if I
do you can give me grief in person.


Scott